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Rudy’s Race Rights His is not a lefty’s record.
National Review ^ | January 11, 2007 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 01/16/2007 5:10:11 PM PST by Cincinna

Like a stack of scratched records, pundits repeatedly dismiss Rudolph W. Giuliani’s presidential prospects because of his “social liberalism.” True, the former New York mayor’s views on abortion, guns, and gays (despite his opposition to same-sex marriage) clash with those of many socially conservative Republican primary voters.

However, socio-cons care about more than just these three important matters. On school choice, welfare reform, adoption, and quality of life, evangelicals cannot quibble with Giuliani’s achievements. His Bush-like immigration proposals are no more liberal than the president’s. Socio-cons also like to see violent criminals incarcerated and terrorists incinerated. No Rightist calls Giuliani Leftist on that.

Significantly, Giuliani can hold his head up high as the GOP hopeful with the finest legacy on racial preferences — a key issue to conservatives of every hue.

In 1993, Giuliani ran and won on the slogan “One Standard, One City.” These words guided his administration.

In his first month, Mayor Giuliani scrapped New York’s 20 percent set-asides for minority- and female-owned contractors, and a 10 percent price premium that City Hall let such companies charge above the bids of white, male competitors.

As Giuliani told me at a December 3, 1997 Manhattan Institute forum:

“I, number one, thought that was very bad public policy. The city shouldn’t be paying 10 percent more. Remember, I was dealing with a city that had about a $3 billion deficit at the time. How we could possibly pay 10 percent more for anything seemed incomprehensible to me.”

“And second,” Giuliani added, “the whole idea of quotas to me perpetuates discrimination. It has exactly the opposite effect on people who support quotas think it would have. So, I did away with it.”

Instead, Giuliani offered all contractors workshops on how to prepare more competitive applications. Some projects were subdivided to qualify newer, less-capitalized bidders.

Giuliani also padlocked the city’s Balkan-style offices of African-American/Carribean Affairs, Asian Affairs, European-American Affairs, Gay Community Affairs, Jewish Community Affairs, and Latino Affairs.

Through these actions alone — in Gotham, not Green Bay — Giuliani enacted more equality before the law than the GOP Congress even debated in the 12 years between the 1994 “Republican Revolution” and 2006’s Republican Rout.

“I have focused on people as people and not had the sense that their first claim on me is because of the group they belong to,” Giuliani told Jonathan Capehart in the March 2, 1999 New York Daily News. “They have a very, very strong claim on me as human beings.”

Giuliani promoted other policies that happened to benefit minorities while advancing his colorblind philosophy.

Giuliani privatized 69.8 percent of some 33,000 apartments the city previously had confiscated from tax-delinquent landlords. Families and individuals, many of them minorities, now occupy these roughly 23,000 private homes.

Primarily, but not exclusively, Giuliani helped minority students by launching his Charter School Fund. He visited Milwaukee’s mainly minority voucher schools and forcefully advocated that Gotham adopt “vouchers.” (He actually uses that word.) Last June 13, he told a Manhattan Institute luncheon: “The only thing that I believe is going to change dramatically public education in this country is to go to a choice system and to break up the monopoly.”

Giuliani and then-City University of New York chancellor Herman Badillo (whose new book, One Nation, One Standard, I helped edit) ended non-selective “open admissions” and increased graduation requirements and other academic standards.

Then-Borough President Fernando Ferrer (D., Bronx) on January 19, 1999, very specifically warned CUNY’s Board of Trustees that Giuliani and Badillo’s reforms would mean, “that 46 percent of black and 55 percent of Hispanic students would not be able to enroll in the senior colleges.” Contemplating these proposed changes, City Councilman Helen Marshall (D., Queens) said that June: “I get a feeling of ethnic cleansing.”

Despite these calamitous predictions, CUNY’s minority enrollment and graduation rates grew after Giuliani and Badillo raised, not lowered, what they expected of students of all colors:

The total number of first-time freshmen at CUNY’s seven senior colleges rose from 7,104 in fall 1999 to 9,576 in fall 2006, a 34.8 percent increase. Among blacks, such students simultaneously increased from 1,655 to 1,765 (up 6.65 percent), while Hispanics climbed 37.1 percent higher, from 1,771 to 2,428.

At the other end, bachelor degrees earned by blacks grew 5.15 percent, from 3,843 in 1999-2000 to 4,041 in 2005–2006. For Hispanics, the equivalent figures were 2,456 and 3,032, a 23.45 percent boost.

According to CUNY, these figures increased steadily, through the late Giuliani years, right through today’s Michael Bloomberg administration.

“Not only was there no hemorrhaging of students, but the opposite was the case: The CUNY senior colleges became more attractive,” says Jay Hershenson, CUNY’s senior vice-chancellor for university relations. “The scare tactics turned out to be, at best, smear tactics.”

As part of Giuliani’s now-legendary anti-crime crackdown, homicides plunged 67.9 percent, mostly in formerly crime-plagued black and Hispanic neighborhoods. Asked once what he ever did for minorities, Giuliani replied: “They are alive, how about we start with that?”

Indeed, the New York Post estimated that, absent Giuliani’s law-enforcement initiatives, 2,299 additional black New Yorkers would have been murdered between 1993 and 1998. As Giuliani told police cadets on February 16, 1994, “the right to public safety” was that era’s “single most important civil rights struggle.”

“America’s Mayor” did not manage all this in lily-white Provo, Utah, or right-wing Colorado Springs. Rudolph W. Giuliani courageously accomplished these things in a largely minority city notorious for its liberalism. That’s leadership.

— Deroy Murdock is a New York-based columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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I read this article on the subway this morning in the NY Post and thought it would be a nice balance to all the Trash Rudy threads here lately.

All the Rudy bashers should inform themselves and consider the facts that are on the record.

Rudy may well be the candidate; if so he won't need Republicans and Conservatives to trash him. The Dems have the long knives out. They fear Rudy because he can win.

1 posted on 01/16/2007 5:10:15 PM PST by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

BUMP


2 posted on 01/16/2007 5:11:34 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: Cincinna; Cailleach; Nevernow; pinkpanther111; CurtisLeMay; theothercheek; kiriath_jearim; ...
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Babykillers are NEVER conservative, NEVER. Rudy is a living scandal to all Catholics. He is a public adulterer, he is an advocate for abortion and birth control, he is a LIBERAL.

3 posted on 01/16/2007 5:13:16 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Blackirish; PhiKapMom; Hildy; nopardons

Ping to y'all while I read the article.


4 posted on 01/16/2007 5:13:24 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: Cincinna

Resident "socio-con" here.

Besides Rudy being wrong on important social issues, including being pro-partial birth abortion, Rudy is pro-ILLEGAL immigration, and that would tremendously weaken the security of our country.


5 posted on 01/16/2007 5:14:31 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: Cincinna
Nice to see Deroy still gets on his knees for Rudy Giussolini.

A thrice divorced, gun grabbing, pro-illegal immigration, pro-gay control freak with NO MILITARY RECORD deserves the Republican nomination as much as Pelosi deserves to be called "Speaker of the House."

6 posted on 01/16/2007 5:14:54 PM PST by Clemenza (Put down that coffee! Coffee is for closers!)
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To: Cincinna

His views on abortions, guns and gays--especially guns and the Second Amendment make him very unpalatable to me.


7 posted on 01/16/2007 5:15:31 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: Cincinna

It is a nice balance. Thank you.


8 posted on 01/16/2007 5:15:32 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Cincinna
I think the Rudy hatred around here is due in equal parts to his record and the fact that he's of Italian heritage / from New York.

He scares the crap out of 'em.

9 posted on 01/16/2007 5:16:07 PM PST by wireman
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To: basil

Me too. Rudy is a liberal.


10 posted on 01/16/2007 5:16:15 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Cincinna

I like Rudy on many issues. And I think he's honest. He doesn't make promises and then go back on his word.

So . . . .

If he is willing to come out in defense of life, it would make a big difference to me. Otherwise, if he wants to run as an extreme abortionist, forget about it.


11 posted on 01/16/2007 5:16:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cincinna

BTW: "America's Mayor" is a creation of the media who love this Rockefeller Republican cretin. Most OVERRATED politician in American, aside from Barack Osama.


12 posted on 01/16/2007 5:17:09 PM PST by Clemenza (Put down that coffee! Coffee is for closers!)
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To: wireman

Nope. It is his duplicity, claiming to be a conservative who favors gun control and the slaughter of babies.


13 posted on 01/16/2007 5:17:18 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Cicero

I wouldn't believe him, not after the way he treated his wife. He is a liar and a public scandal.


14 posted on 01/16/2007 5:18:01 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: narses

his wife wasn't mary poppins, that's why he dissed her.


15 posted on 01/16/2007 5:19:42 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Cincinna
The Dems have the long knives out. They fear Rudy because he can win.

They fear him because they THINK he can win, even though he can't win.

17 posted on 01/16/2007 5:21:02 PM PST by lowbridge ("I wonder if he's in touch with the critics out there, like Matt Damon, the actor" -Chris Matthews)
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To: Cincinna
Could he even win his own State?
18 posted on 01/16/2007 5:21:29 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: oceanview

America isn't Mary Poppins either, so will he violate his oath of office? He picked his wife, he then cheated on her in a very ugly and public way. If he cannot run his own home with class, what about the White House? Think Monica, think the ceegar. Thanks, but no thanks. Babykillers and their supporters are NEVER acceptable candidates, not to me and not to anyone who values life.


19 posted on 01/16/2007 5:21:49 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: narses

I don't believe in divorce, either. But I'm not sure it's a disqualifier for elected office. Ronald Reagan was divorced.

So far, this is all theoretical. I don't know whether Rudy would make a commitment for life in any event. And if he sticks to his earlier position on abortion, that rules him out.


20 posted on 01/16/2007 5:21:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Reagan wasn't (sadly) a Catholic either. Rudy cannot live the basic tenets of his own faith, why would anyone expect integrity from him?


21 posted on 01/16/2007 5:22:54 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: narses

it was only "public" because the media was following him around. if the media were following John Edwards around, we might find out if he has been faithful to his wife.


22 posted on 01/16/2007 5:23:27 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Cincinna

are these notes from google wrong?

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate


In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?


23 posted on 01/16/2007 5:23:33 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: onyx
Read the article, then read it again! :-)

Thanks for the ping.

24 posted on 01/16/2007 5:24:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: oceanview

Going to Mass with his mistress on 911 was about as public as you can get. He has no class, no integrity and he supports gun control and abortion. Why should ANY conservative give him a second look?


25 posted on 01/16/2007 5:24:42 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Sun

Yeah, but I think he'd kill more Muzzies than OB1 Hussein or Cankles.


26 posted on 01/16/2007 5:25:52 PM PST by zarf
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To: Cincinna
"Significantly, Giuliani can hold his head up high as the GOP hopeful with the finest legacy on racial preferences — a key issue to conservatives of every hue."

Maybe to the republicans but special privileges based on race are NOT a conservative issue except to end them. Consider this:

Recently tornadoes passed through parts of central PA. The VA among many other agencies offered help: To veterans. Now before the flames begin let me say I did my twenty with the US Air Force. I'm all for vets because I happen to be one.

But if Joe over here, a good guy with a family, who never served a day in the military, has had his house blown down. Meanwhile Bill, who served four years including time in Iraq has had a window box destroyed by flying debris.

Where is the "fairness" to Joe who is not going to receive a handout while Bill is? Hopefully Joe has insurance but that will be his sole relief if he does.

The point is handouts and special privileges need to end. That is the conservative position on those; not the democrat light of entitlement and second class citizenry. So Rudy; no thanks.
27 posted on 01/16/2007 5:27:26 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Clemenza
Rudy has been divorced TWICE; not THRICE, or three times, as hyou claim, for starters.

Newt has been divorced twice and married three times, has NO military service, and is a new agey tree hugger, Clinton ( both Hill and Bill ) butt kissing kneepadder, pro-Socialized medicine promoter, and yet, many here are falling all over themselves yearning for a Newt presidency. Go figure.....................

28 posted on 01/16/2007 5:28:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Clemenza
Rudy has been divorced TWICE; not THRICE, or three times, as you claim, for starters.

Newt has been divorced twice and married three times, has NO military service, and is a new agey tree hugger, Clinton ( both Hill and Bill ) butt kissing kneepadder, pro-Socialized medicine promoter, and yet, many here are falling all over themselves yearning for a Newt presidency. Go figure.....................

29 posted on 01/16/2007 5:29:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Cincinna

bump


30 posted on 01/16/2007 5:30:05 PM PST by Christian4Bush (Too bad these leftist advocates for abortion didn't practice what they preached on themselves.)
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To: Clemenza
The MSM abhor, abominate, and loathe Rudy! You are delusional.
31 posted on 01/16/2007 5:30:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: narses

9-11? his marriage was long dissolved by 9-11.


32 posted on 01/16/2007 5:30:32 PM PST by oceanview
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To: zarf

"Yeah, but I think he'd kill more Muzzies than OB1 Hussein or Cankles."

More terrorists would be able to enter this country with Rudy's pro-ILLEGAL immigration stance.

So far, after much research, I have found Rep. Duncan Hunter to be the most conservative candidate.


33 posted on 01/16/2007 5:30:54 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: Cincinna
Sounds like "National Review" is endorsing Rudy. While he certainly is not my choice, I must say our "Conservative Brothers" who've been running the show for years, turned out to be a sorry lot.
34 posted on 01/16/2007 5:31:11 PM PST by no dems (Duncan Hunter for Prez / John Bolton for VEEP in '08)
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To: Cincinna
His Bush-like immigration proposals are no more liberal than the president’s.

If Congress came up with a bill to provide immediate U.S. Citizenship to every Mexican, Bush would sign it. It is impossible to be more liberal than Bush on immigration.

35 posted on 01/16/2007 5:31:39 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Cincinna
I could support Rudy's candidacy...except for one thing: His Bush-like immigration proposals are no more liberal than the president’s...

Had Bush made known his immigration philosophy before the elections, he would now be just another guy from Texas.

36 posted on 01/16/2007 5:33:29 PM PST by Rudder
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To: nopardons
Really? The MSM, the NY Post, and the Daily News basically bent over for this corrupt coogine! Even Tina Fey sang a song for him on SNL.

Remember it was LIBERAL DEMOCRATS who voted for Rudy in the first place (NY being a majority Dem city).

Again, I will never vote for a congenitally corrupt Noo Yawk cosmopolitan like Rudy. He's too "continental" in his worldview if you know what I mean.

37 posted on 01/16/2007 5:34:00 PM PST by Clemenza (Put down that coffee! Coffee is for closers!)
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To: Sun
So far, after much research, I have found Rep. Duncan Hunter to be the most conservative candidate.

Duncan Hines can't win. End of story.

38 posted on 01/16/2007 5:34:07 PM PST by zarf
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To: All

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.




Pro-illegal immigration - said no one in New York City is going to assist the federal government with the enforcement of immigration law, sued Feds in 1997 to be able to ignore immigration law, lost in court, vowed to ignore law anyway.


39 posted on 01/16/2007 5:34:20 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: no dems

The conservatives blew it. It's time for new leadership. Ron Paul for President! /s


40 posted on 01/16/2007 5:35:12 PM PST by zarf
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To: narses

I don't agree in applying a different standard on the issue of divorce for Guiliani vs Reagan because of their different faiths. The issue with Guiliani to me is not that he had a divorce but how it played out. It was ugly and will not play well with the sheeple. Hillary herself probably will not attack him directly over it but her minions will.

In any event, I think the primary race will be between McCain and Romney. I think Guiliani will be trashed pretty badly over this and his liberal record on abortion.


41 posted on 01/16/2007 5:35:17 PM PST by plain talk
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To: zarf

"Duncan Hines can't win. End of story."

He can, and will win!


42 posted on 01/16/2007 5:35:33 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: Cicero

Do you REALLY, REALLY think he'd run as a stict abortionist trying to get the Republican nomination? Come on now.


43 posted on 01/16/2007 5:36:15 PM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: narses
Do YOU "believe" Newt on anything ?

Unlike Rudy, Newt treated his first two wives abominably and treated them far worse than Rudy ever treated any wife!

Rudy's first marriage was annulled, due to consanguinity. There was NOTHING acrimonious during or after that marriage.

Rudy's second wife is a shrew, a harridan, and a virago, who morphed into something even worse than Hillary Clinton. The acrimony was about 99% all on her side and predates Rudy's run for the Senate seat, by many years. It was Donna Hanover, who was the spouse, in that relationship, who was the rotten one and who caused many public scandals!

44 posted on 01/16/2007 5:36:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Cincinna
Giuliani also padlocked the city’s Balkan-style offices of African-American/Carribean Affairs, Asian Affairs, European-American Affairs, Gay Community Affairs, Jewish Community Affairs, and Latino Affairs.

Literally? What does this verb "padlocked" really mean here?

45 posted on 01/16/2007 5:37:02 PM PST by rhombus
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To: oceanview

He had his mistress living in the Mayor's Mansion while he was fighting out that divorce, and my recollection is that it was still ongoing on 911. The final settlement happened in 2002 as I recall - millions in damages and allegation of serial adultry on the part of the gun-grabbing babykiller. 20 years of being married and then he boots her out for a younger honey. Contemptible.


46 posted on 01/16/2007 5:37:57 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: kots

I haven't seen a Republican potential canidate yet that gets my full support. I really liked George Allen, but they creamed him. Romney is a Morman (weird cult there), I doubt I could bring myself to pull the McInsane lever, so for all his faults, Rudy might have to be the one. I sure hope a real conservative shows up soon!


47 posted on 01/16/2007 5:38:12 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Clemenza

yes, the local papers supported his "regime" as you say - because it was either that, or losing the city. and since the media lives here, they didn't want to see NYC implode into Detroit under Dinkins.

But to say Rudy did not accomplish alot as mayor, is crazy. the guy turned this place around - its the capital city of the world now, a far cry from the place with 2300 murders a year, where you couldn't walk in the street or ride a subway at night - like I couldn't for years under Dinkins.


48 posted on 01/16/2007 5:38:18 PM PST by oceanview
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To: areafiftyone

Hello


49 posted on 01/16/2007 5:38:50 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: wireman

Whats scary about Italians?

He endorsed Cumo in 94. Nuff said.


50 posted on 01/16/2007 5:39:24 PM PST by JRochelle (Hunter 2008!)
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