New amnesty push likely in 07 by Bush, Dems

Marietta Daily Journal ^ | Wednesday, January 3 | D.A. King

[dirtboy]

Your howls about the relative percentages of the Tacredo caucus remind me of the fact that the immigration issue, despite the merit or lack thereof of Dane, got you no seats in Congress

Gawd, you folks are a trip.

The immigration caucus LOST A MUCH LOWER PERCENTAGE OF SEATS than the non-immigration caucus pubbies. So I'd say the pro-amnesty types are a much bigger problem for the GOP.

[DreamsofPolycarp]

Yeah, I noticed how Ron Paul kept his seat...... Great observation.

[TheLion]

"Plus, how many American's have been killed or murdered by illegal's since 9/11?"

Last I read it was over 40,000!

13 a day on the highways

12 a day murdered

[TheLion]

"According to a report released in late 2006 by the House Committee of Homeland Security, up to 10 million people entered the United States illegally and un-inspected last year. Georgia watched as its population of illegal aliens increased by 114 percent - the highest rate of growth in the nation."

We probably had 40 million come in just since they started using the 12 million number. They are coming in at higher and faster rates now that amnesty looks like a sure deal.

My guess is that 1/2 of our population in 20 years will either be illegal or a descendent of an origional illegal.

[b4its2late]

A very large number of people don't want an amnesty program for illegals.

You are correct and I am one of them, but I don't think the pols, including Bush, give a damn. Time will tell.

If they give amnesty, we can expect at least 2 times as many immigrants coming into the country and a that point they will be legal due to amnesty given to their relative. Pretty scary, if you ask me.

[BillyBoy]

Tancredo's House Immigration Caucus had 103 members as of the previous Congress. Of those 103 members, the following were defeated for re-election to Congress: Charlie Bass (R-NH), Jeb Bradley (R-NH), Jim Ryun (R-KS), John E. Sweeney (R-NY), Charles Taylor (R-NC), Gil Gutknecht (R-MN), and J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ).

That adds up to a total of 7 out of 103 defeated for re-election. Dane's statement does not appear to be grounded in any facts, much like Dane's previous claim that "no hard-right candidate on immigration won election to an open House seat in 2006".

Despite Dane's delusions that every Congressional race in the country looked like J.D. Hayworth district, there is amble evidence to the contrary. Here in Ilinois, retiring House Immigration Caucus member Henry Hyde was suceeded by the even more right-wing Peter Roskam. As much as Dane would like to pretend he and the other 14 new Republicans in Congress don't exist, they will provide amble numbers to replace the old members of Tanc's immigration caucus -- not to mention several conservative Democrats who got elected on such a platform.

[DreamsofPolycarp]

I am not saying that members of the immigration caucus were defeated in larger numbers. What I AM saying is that the immigration issue IS NOT A VOTE GETTING ISSUE. People are sick of the hypocrisy and dilly dallying of Congress, not of the failure of Congress to build a wall and expell all the illegals.

That sentiment is a loser and no one who listens to public consensus (outside the echo chambers of fr) believes otherwise. There are many conservatives who DON'T think that the primary method of dealing with this is as a law enforcement issue. It has law enforcement ramifications, but that is NOT the core of the issue. Rather it is a markets issue, and we are sick and tired of the Buchanan/Tancredo crowd acting as if any other approach than mass expulsion and militarization of the border is "selling out America" "welcoming the invasion" or other such silly, silly, name calling. Add to that the vicious and hateful remarks that surface here in the immigrant threads, plus the hysterical fluttering over irresponsible tabloid articles like the recent crap about the "Amero," and we have a mirror image of the loons at DU.

My point in this thread was that many in the Tancredo caucus are NOT "law enforcement first" (or "law enforcement only") people. They, and I, are willing to adopt a wide range of methods, including more open entry, as a solution to the problem of having so many people here illegally. Just because they are in Tancredo's caucus is no reason to label them as members of the immigration goon squad.

[Dane]

That sentiment is a loser and no one who listens to public consensus (outside the echo chambers of fr) believes otherwise. There are many conservatives who DON'T think that the primary method of dealing with this is as a law enforcement issue. It has law enforcement ramifications, but that is NOT the core of the issue. Rather it is a markets issue, and we are sick and tired of the Buchanan/Tancredo crowd acting as if any other approach than mass expulsion and militarization of the border is "selling out America" "welcoming the invasion" or other such silly, silly, name calling. Add to that the vicious and hateful remarks that surface here in the immigrant threads, plus the hysterical fluttering over irresponsible tabloid articles like the recent crap about the "Amero," and we have a mirror image of the loons at DU

You said it exactly, thank you.

[RJL]

I'm wondering if Bush's advisers understand that this is a wedge issue, and the GOP candidate running to be his successor will lose on this issue alone? A very large number of people don't want an amnesty program for illegals.

The Republicans may hang on for a while, but they will be finished as a political force as soon as Bush signs amnesty and enables 20 million Democrat voters.

Apparently the Dems are correct, Bush is too stupid to run the country.