Posted on 01/04/2007 2:41:00 AM PST by Froufrou
Union of Concerned Scientists Issues False, Misleading Report
A few simple questions to ask liberal 'friends' about Global Warming:
*Why is Greenland named Greenland?
*What was the Medieval Warm Period?
*What was the solar activity during that period?
*What is the solar activity (brightness) today?
For those not familiar, here is a Wiki link to get you started
From the article you cited:
"It is said that Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find the land that was rumored to be to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grænland ("Greenland"), possibly in order to attract more people to settle there. Greenland was also called Gruntland ("Ground-land") on early maps. Whether Green is an erroneous transcription of Grunt ("Ground"), which refers to shallow bays, or vice versa, is not known. It should also be noted, however, that the southern portion of Greenland (not covered by glacier) is indeed very green in the summer."
What was the Medieval Warm Period?
A period of warmer climate preceding the Little Ice Age.
What was the solar activity during that period?
Judging from data that can be gathered, about the same as today.
"In March 2002 he [Ebell] wrote a memo to Philip Cooney, which Greenpeace later obtained,[10] outlining their strategy for dealing with what Ebell saw as problems caused by the Climate Action Report 2002,[11] which the US government had submitted to the UN. The crucial paragraph of this memo reads:
"As I said, we made the decision this morning to do as much as we could to deflect criticism by blaming the EPA for freelancing. It seems to me that the folks at the EPA are the obvious fall guys, and we would only hope that the fall guy (or gal) should be as high up as possible. I have done several interviews and have stressed that the president needs to get everyone rowing in the same direction. Perhaps tomorrow we will call for [Christine Todd Whitman] to be fired. I know that that doesn't sound like much help, but it seems to me that our only leverage to push you in the right direction is to drive a wedge between the President and those in the Administration who think they are serving the president's best interests by publishing this rubbish."
Source: Myron Ebell
Additional supporting material: Investigation of Exxon front group (sorry, the link to the actual memo doesn't appear to be working)
Of course, Philip Cooney, who was working at the White House and who was the recipient of the memo from Ebell, left the White House to work for -- ExxonMobil.
So why am I not surprised that Mr. Ebell would opine that the UCS report is "misleading"?
It was was settled by the Vikings during the Medieval warm period. The settlement was no different from any other European village with traders, craftsmen, farmers and even a church. Yes it is true that the name Greenland was used to a certain degree to attract people but the fact of the matter is the people stayed because it really was a "green" and fruitful place to live during the MWA. This all changed when the little ice age hit all of Europe.
The climate in Greenland in particular changed so drastically that Viking livestock had to be housed in barns for 7 months out of the year because of the cold. Crops could not be grown and the trading ships from other European countries could not sail in the waters around Greenland because it was full of ice most of the year.
So yes the name was used as PR to get people there but once there they stayed, because it was a pretty nice place to live. Climate change, caused by the sun changed the temperature of the earth and drove the vikings from Greenland. Many of them died of starvation.
My guess is that what caused the warming and cooling of the earth 500 years ago is the force that is causing it today.
Unfortunately the Marxist environmentalists of today, much to their consternation, can't control the sun. What they can do however is blame climate change on the Industrialists while ignoring the over riding factor of Climate change, the sun.
My guess is that what caused the warming and cooling of the earth 500 years ago is the force that is causing it today.
The scientific community is indicating very strongly that your guess is inaccurate.
My parents are liberals and they totally buy into this junk. We can't even talk about half the things on the news or we will fight.
I'm sad to say I've got a 33-yr-old daughter and a 39-yr-old SIL who refuse to consider politics and its affect in their lives. And he's a UAW worker!
Democrats = one thing and one thing only: tax and spend. You don't need a PhD in economics to understand this takes money out of circulation. Raising the min. wage is nothing more than a shell game.
D-uh.
Democrats = one thing and one thing only: tax and spend. You don't need a PhD in economics to understand this takes money out of circulation. Raising the min. wage is nothing more than a shell game.
I think there are many flavors of Democrats. My dad was in the UAW for 20+ years and to him the Party means one thing and one thing only. Labor. To my Dad the laborer is on the moral high ground in this country. He has always viewed his employee as the rich bad guy from which it is the union's job to extort money.
To the baby aborting feminist the party is about Women's rights. To the tree hugger the party is about Mother Earth. To the Homo the party is about sexual promiscuity. Oh what a wretched party it is.
Oops, how could I forget. To Nancy and the women that support her the party is about.....the chillllldren.
Scary that more aren't as alert as you and I. My grandfather was pro-union. TX in the 50s had no GOP. Since that time, the parties have reversed positions on some things.
Roe v Wade was the single worst decision ever to come from the SCOTUS, IMHO. Ginsberg wants age of consent reduced to 12. For the life of me, I can't fathom what that will accomplish except for keeping them young, dumb, and pregnant to flesh out their voting base. CREEPY.
What my dad refuses to acknowledge is that politics is pure religion. Just take global warming for example. The only way to believe in that piece of politics is to believe in all of the religion behind evolution including a 5 billion year old earth that supports life by chance. Ditto for every other political topic, even the fiscal ones.
It took me a minute to wrap my mind around that one until I considered what their Commandments might look like:
1. Thou shalt stop at nothing to ensure power.
2. Thou shalt not shat on thy fellow liberal.
3. Thou shalt ensure that the family be destroyed in the
name of female quality and by the use of abortion.
4. Thou shalt tax and spend thy way to the elections by
ensuring that the middle class pays for the lower
class and that limousine liberals shall be exempt.
5. Thou shalt lie like a rug when cornered.
6. Thou shalt cheat and steal when able to without
detection [Clinton White House china...]
7. Thou shalt practice and master the art of deception.
8. Thou shalt go to ghettos to reassure the meek.
9. Thou shalt get on every pork project thou is't able.
10. Thou shalt greater wrath than a woman scorned.
For clarity, which scientific community are you refering to; a) the community that believes we are causing global warming today thru man made emissions, etc, or b) the community that believes the sun was brighter/warmer ~1000 years ago during the Medieval Warming Period when Greenland's climate (along with Europe) was much warmer, and that the sun is shining brighter/warmer today as well?
So far my kids haven't switched to the dark side. That will be hard to deal with if it happens. But you just brought up something I was saying to a friend about Universities. I hate them because they are cesspools of liberalism. The point I made to my friend is that every dollar people send to universities validates their liberalism. It's a shame that so many conservatives send their kids to universities.
I don't think that halogens are considered a danger anymore, not since ozone has been declared a polutant. Ozone was listed on the EPA web site as being the most plentiful polutant in Seattle. Phoenix also has high ozone days. I don't get it, maybe the ozone from the whole in the ozone layer is hanging around the cities. But then I also thought that ozone was extremely unstable and disipated quickly, all by itself.
To my knowledge, the problem with halogen [bulbs] was that they caught fire easily.
The ozone, IIRC, is a desirable protective layer around us and there used to be a push for aerosols to be eliminated in favor of sprays as they were frienlier to the ozone.
No, halogens were eliminated from spray cans, refrigeration units and air conditioners, making them much more expensive, because halogens were thought to be responsible for causing a reduction or hole in the ozone layer.
Now that they have found that not to be true, they have declared ozone a polutant, which I can't understand since ozone is only charged oxygen.
But they are not nearly as upset as the members of the "Union Of Really, Really, Really Concerned Scientists."
Now those guys are hard core.
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