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Domestic Producers Lose Increasing Share of Home Market to Foreign Competition (Tariff,anyone?)
U.S. Business & Industry Council ^ | 12/26/06 | Alan Tonelson ,Peter Kim

Posted on 12/27/2006 5:22:07 AM PST by ProCivitas

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To: Toddsterpatriot

And as I explained to you yesterday, if Americans don't want to pay the sugar tariff, they can buy beehives and harvest honey - no tax on honey. Grow sugarbeets and refine your own sugar - no tariff. Buy American made sugar - no tariff on American made products. Americans pay tariff on foreign produced sugar VOLUNTARILY at the store without audits, IRS agents, or April 15ths. The Founding Fathers (and I) believed it was better to have tariffs to finance the national government than an intrusive income tax - because it is a voluntary tax at the store.

In a nutshell, Americans do not have to pay more (or anything) for sweeteners but they have the option to do so if they wish for the sake of convenience. Tariffs give you the freedom to choose what you wish to pay in tax to the Federal Government - your income tax alternative to the tariff does not.


61 posted on 12/27/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Doohickey; Dog Gone
When cheap imported widgets take market share and impact the producer, isn't his net ability to be a consumer damaged?

Great idea, raise everyone's prices. Follow the below link and tell me if that's a good idea for sugar.

Sweet Deal, Bad Taste

62 posted on 12/27/2006 8:19:21 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Howard Jarvis Admirer
Americans pay more for all sugar because of tariffs on foreign sugar.

I wonder how Howard Jarvis (ironic nic since he was a man who hated higher taxes) feels about our candy manufacturers moving out of the country to access cheaper sugar so they could compete with foreign producers. What do you think he would say to all those Americans who used to work at Brachs and Life Savers who lost their jobs just to protect American sugar farmers?

I wonder if they studied the law of unintended consequences where he took economics.

63 posted on 12/27/2006 8:22:02 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
And as I explained to you yesterday, if Americans don't want to pay the sugar tariff, they can buy beehives and harvest honey - no tax on honey.

Great idea. Raise the tariff on foreign cars to 100% and everyone can build their own cars!

Buy American made sugar - no tariff on American made products.

American producers won't raise their price when foreign sugar gets more expensive? What about supply and demand? Do you think restricting foreign supply will raise domestic prices?

Tariffs give you the freedom to choose what you wish to pay in tax to the Federal Government

That's funny! Take an economics class. You're embarrassing yourself.

64 posted on 12/27/2006 8:23:09 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: DB

"Funny how Toyota can build cars in the US and people want to buy them."

True but not funny if you are GM or FORD. When the Japanese Auto Manufacturers start building reliable diesel heavy duty pickup truck, it's game over.


65 posted on 12/27/2006 8:23:14 AM PST by wmileo (Reagan Democrat for life)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The point is that you don't "pay" the tariff, as long as you do not consume sugar, use sugar, purchase products containing sugar, purchase products that no longer contain sugar because of its cost, or purchase products manufactured by anyone who has even thought of using sugar.
66 posted on 12/27/2006 8:23:30 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ProCivitas
What everybody doesn’t know is that literally dozens of U.S.-based manufacturing industries have suffered the same kinds of losses since the late 1990s.

This is news? People don't know this? Where have the authors been living?

67 posted on 12/27/2006 8:23:49 AM PST by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: 1rudeboy

Another victim of the "Free Lunch" theory of tax hikes. Sounds like a liberal.


68 posted on 12/27/2006 8:25:39 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Dog Gone
No I don't understand that and that Smoot-Haley caused the Great Depression is complete nonsense has has been debunked numerous times.

In theory free trade is a great idea, just like communism is a great idea. Problem is neither works in practice. To pursue some utopian dream at great national expense is at best stupid and some might even say treasonous.

Maybe some day in the far off future when the world has one government free trade will work, but not today not with our trading "partners" playing us for the fools we are.

69 posted on 12/27/2006 8:27:22 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Doohickey

It would be nice if we had domestic suppliers of every product we need or want. And if we don't change our policies which realistically FORCE industries out of the country, we can expect to be more and more reliant on foreign producers.

Our past policies have gotten us where we are today. They can be fixed and the damage undone.

The free market does work if allowed to. Every new restriction we put on it, from the ones I mentioned in my prior post, to tariffs, all distort economic efficiency.

The more you distort it, the more it looks like the command economies of the communist model. And that has a proven record of failure everywhere it's been tried.

I'm not saying "just let anything go" and everything will be fine. Corporate America should be required to observe some reasonable requirements. But the hand should be light on the tiller.

A philosophy that we should artificially make imports more expensive than domestic products, and then demanding that domestic products be made according to government mandate is a guaranteed recipe for a declining standard of living, less economic output, and ultimate collapse.


70 posted on 12/27/2006 8:27:25 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ProCivitas

Just look for the union label (on this story)


71 posted on 12/27/2006 8:27:55 AM PST by Steamburg (If we don't want our nation bad enough to protect it, it won't be ours long.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Howard Jarvis Admirer
BTW, did HJA ever prove that tariffs increased under Reagan or is he, by his unwillingness to answer the question, admitting that Sheldon Richman has no idea what he's talking about and that Reagan was a man who said what he meant and meant what he said?
72 posted on 12/27/2006 8:28:01 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Dog Gone
Then you surely understand one of the root causes of the Great Depression was the tariffs we imposed in an attempt to sell everything and buy nothing.

Higher tariffs didn't start the Great Depression. In fact they ended the Great Depression. You can tell when you see how much exports increased after Smoot Hawley. LOL!

73 posted on 12/27/2006 8:29:58 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You ignore the issue that domestic American manufacturers will be competing in the sugar market as well as the automotive market with each other, driving down prices.

As Abraham Lincoln put it when he was asked about buying cheaper British trains and rails for the Transcontinental Railroad instead of American products,

If Americans buy the foreigner's rails, America will have the rails and foreigners will have our money. But if Americans buy the rails from other Americans, America will have both the rails and the moneys. I agree with Lincoln on this.


74 posted on 12/27/2006 8:30:20 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: jpsb
just like communism is a great idea.

I always suspected you were a Commie.

Maybe some day in the far off future when the world has one government

There you go again.

75 posted on 12/27/2006 8:31:10 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: jpsb
No I don't understand that and that Smoot-Haley caused the Great Depression is complete nonsense has has been debunked numerous times.

Debunked where?

It wasn't the sole cause, but it definitely was a major contributor. No serious historian that I've read disputes that.

76 posted on 12/27/2006 8:32:10 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"Sounds like a liberal."

Yes the conservative thing is to support a progressive confiscatory income tax. LOL you are too funny.

77 posted on 12/27/2006 8:32:37 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Mase
BTW, did HJA ever prove that tariffs increased under Reagan

He's much bigger on anecdotes than actual facts. I don't know if he's capable of doing the research. He does love Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

78 posted on 12/27/2006 8:33:25 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
You ignore the issue that domestic American manufacturers will be competing in the sugar market as well as the automotive market with each other, driving down prices.

You ignore the fact that foreign sugar is cheaper than American sugar.

79 posted on 12/27/2006 8:34:36 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"I always suspected you were a Commie.

"LOL since you are ALWAYS wrong that does not surprise me in the least.

80 posted on 12/27/2006 8:34:47 AM PST by jpsb
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