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U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count
AP Via Yahoo ^ | 40 minutes ago | CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA

Posted on 12/25/2006 9:59:49 PM PST by ckilmer

U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago

The U.S. military death toll in Iraq has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.

The U.S. military announced the deaths of two soldiers in a bomb explosion southwest of Baghdad on Monday.

The deaths raised the number of troops killed to 2,974 since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks claimed 2,973 victims in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

"The joint patrol was conducting security operations in order to stop terrorists from placing roadside bombs in the area," the military said in a statement on the latest deaths. "As they conducted their mission, a roadside bomb exploded near one of their vehicles."

Another soldier was wounded in the explosion, the military said.

On Monday, British soldiers backed by tanks raided a police station in the southern city of Basra, killing seven gunmen in an effort to stop renegade Iraqi officers from executing their prisoners, the British military said.

After the British stormed the Basra police station, they removed the prisoners, who showed evidence of torture, then evacuated the building before blowing it up.

The operation showed how closely aligned some police units are with militias and death squads — and the challenges coalition forces face as they transfer authority for security to Iraqis.

In Baghdad, police found 40 bodies, apparent victims of sectarian violence. A car bomb exploded beside a market and a suicide bomber struck a bus in separate attacks that killed 14 civilians and wounded at least 33.

In the Basra raid, the British set out to arrest officers with the station's serious crimes unit who were suspected of involvement with Shiite death squads. Seven members of the rogue police unit were apprehended three days ago in other raids, said a British spokeswoman, Royal Navy Lt. Jenny Saleh.

"We had intelligence to indicate that the serious crimes unit would execute its prisoners in the coming days, so we decided to intervene," Saleh said.

British troops were fired on as they approached the station and their return fire killed seven gunmen, said Maj. Charlie Burbridge, another British military spokesman.

British and Iraqi forces transferred all 76 prisoners at the station to another facility in downtown Basra, he said. Some prisoners had "classic torture injuries" such as crushed hands and feet, cigarette and electrical burns and gunshot wounds in the knees, Burbridge said.

The British demolished the building in an effort to disband the unit. "We identified the serious crimes unit as, frankly, too far gone," Burbridge said. "We just had to get rid of it."

The unit's members, he alleged, were involved in tribal and political feuds in southern Iraq, which is mostly Shiite. They were not, he said, engaged in the kind of sectarian reprisal killings that have terrorized mixed neighborhoods of Baghdad.

Most of Britain's 7,200 troops in Iraq are based in the Basra area.

Mohammed al-Askari, a spokesman for Iraq's Defense Ministry, said the operation was coordinated with the Iraqi government. "Multinational forces got approval for this raid from this ministry and with participation of the Iraqi army," he said.

U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Martin Dempsey, who is in charge of training Iraqi forces, said in Washington last week that efforts were under way to weed out Iraqi national police believed to be sympathetic to the militias.

Up to a quarter are thought to be aligned with the militias, which are engaged in sectarian violence.

The establishment of a viable Iraqi police force is vital to the U.S.-led coalition's goal of handing responsibility for security to Iraqis, so foreign troops can return home.

In another sign of lawlessness in Basra, gunmen on Monday robbed $740,000 from a bank about half a mile from the raided police station.

The car bomb in Baghdad, meanwhile, struck a mostly Shiite district to the east that attracts crowds of shoppers and laborers looking for work.

In another part of eastern Baghdad, a suicide bomber exploded in a minibus, killing three people and injuring 19, police said.

Another suicide bomber killed two policemen at a checkpoint at a university entrance in Ramadi, capital of Anbar province, a stronghold of the Sunni-dominated insurgency.

The deaths came a day after Iraq's interior minister said attacks targeting police had killed some 12,000 officers since the 2003 fall of Saddam Hussein.

Christians attended Christmas services in Baghdad and northern Iraq, home to most of Iraq's 800,000 Christians. Some in Baghdad stayed home, however, fearing violence.

Christians are on the fringes of the conflict, which mostly involves Shiite Muslims and Sunni Arabs — but they have been targeted by Islamic militants.

"I hope next year will bring good things and unite all Iraqis because there is no difference between Christians and Muslims," said Abu Fadi, a worshipper who does not use his Christian name because he fears for his safety. "May God bring relief from this."

In another sign of escalating diplomatic tensions between the U.S. and Iran, the White House said Monday that U.S. troops in Iraq detained at least two Iranians and released two others who had diplomatic immunity.

U.S. officials have charged that Iran provides training and other aid to Shiite militias in Iraq — including the equipment used to build roadside bombs. The Tehran regime says it only has political and religious links with Iraqi Shiites.

But Iran is believed to be expanding its shadowy role in Iraq, partly to counter U.S. influence in the region.

In Baghdad, a spokesman for Iraqi President Jalal Talabani confirmed that U.S. troops had detained two Iranians who were in Iraq at his invitation. "The president is unhappy about it," said Hiwa Osman, Talabani's media adviser.

He gave no further details, and the U.S. military said it had no comment.

"We suspect this event validates our claims about Iranian meddling, but we want to finish our investigation of the detained Iranians before characterizing their activities," White House spokesman Alex Conant said Monday. "We will be better able to explain what this means about the larger picture after we finish our investigation."

He said that a routine raid on suspected insurgents netted the Iranians. Two had diplomatic immunity and were released to the Iraqi government, which then released them to Iran, Conant said.

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The press secretary for the California Republican Party is the son of illegal aliens who came the USA 35 years ago. In this article he chronicles how in recent years there has been a massive change in the number and kind of illegals coming north. Including a crimnal element that is causing a deterioration in the quality of life of Americans.

Consider this article Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

People have been referring to the Captains Quarters as a rebuke to the assertions of the article. The Captain's Quarters make the assertion that for the numbers to be true it would have to be the case that a small number of people were committing a lot of crimes. That is to say far outside the statistical norm for the USA. The problem is that he didn't actually check the federal stats. As it happens it is the case that illegals tend to be very repeat offenders. 3

Below are some government stats to back up the article's assertioms

From the FBI crime statistics * An estimated 16,692 persons were murdered nationwide in 2005, an increase of 3.4 percent from the 2004 figure. * Murder comprised 1.2 percent of the overall estimated number of violent crimes in 2005. (Based on Table 1.) * There were an estimated 5.6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants.

Illegal Alien Crime Wave

On April 7, 2005, the US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens that were incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails.

In the population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.

CRIMINAL HISTORY

More than two-thirds of the defendants charged with an immigration offense were identified as having been previously arrested. Thirty-six percent had been arrested on at least 5 prior occasions; 22%, 2 to 4 times; and 12%,1 time.

Sixty-one percent of those defendants had been convicted at least once; 18%, 5 or more times; 26%, 2 to 4 times; and 17%, 1 time. Of those charged, 49% had previously been convicted of a felony: 20% of a drug offense; 18%, a violent offense; and 11%, other felony offenses. Twelve percent had previously been convicted of a misdemeanor.

Defendants charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. Nine in ten had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, half had been arrested on at least 5 prior occasions.

Fifty-six percent of those charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted of a violent or drug-related felony. By contrast, under half of those charged with alien smuggling, a third of those charged with unlawful entry, and just over a quarter those charged with misuse of visas and other charges had previously been arrested. The criminal histories of these defendants were generally less extensive: more than 70% had been previously arrested fewer than 5 times.

Sources: US Department of Homeland Security, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, National Security Institute, National Association of Chiefs of Police, US Department of Justice

1 posted on 12/25/2006 9:59:52 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Did the MSM report when the deaths in WWII exceeded the Pearl Harbor count?


2 posted on 12/25/2006 10:02:14 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism in a parasite that ALWAYS kills its host.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Wow, must be alot of merriment and joy in the offices of the AP tonight. Santa brought them what they asked for.


3 posted on 12/25/2006 10:03:49 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: ckilmer
The U.S. military death toll in Iraq has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.

And the number of deaths in WWII far exceeded those lost in Pearl Harbor.

What is the point here?

4 posted on 12/25/2006 10:03:50 PM PST by Jorge
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To: ckilmer

BARF.

I wish the media would stop their pre-occupation with the death toll. They are giving encouragement to our enemies.

You turn on the news and you hear stories like "35 soldiers died" expecting a massive new tragedy - only to realize it is just the monthly count.

They need to just report the news and not play the score keeper for the other side.


5 posted on 12/25/2006 10:04:09 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

What a bunch of schmucks. Ridiculous headline.


6 posted on 12/25/2006 10:05:21 PM PST by zarf
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To: ckilmer

What, if anything, does your comment have to do with the article you posted?

Don't get me wrong..it's a good comment. Just doesn't seem to be in context.


7 posted on 12/25/2006 10:05:25 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

And further, the 3000 deaths in Iraq have been over almost 4 years. Those lost on 9-11 were lost in what - 2 hours?


8 posted on 12/25/2006 10:06:11 PM PST by Christian4Bush (Don't blame me - I didn't vote for these DEM b**tards. (redacted to satiate religioncop TXBlair))
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To: Jorge

I think the point the media keeps failing to add to their rolling death toll is that these deaths are the result of leftist media traitors enabling and encouraging terrorism.


9 posted on 12/25/2006 10:08:51 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ckilmer

US deaths in WWII exceeded the Pearl Harbor count by a little bit (hundreds of thousands).


10 posted on 12/25/2006 10:09:06 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: ckilmer
Attention Associated Press.

The significance of this, is?
11 posted on 12/25/2006 10:12:37 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Kerry, Graham and Dodd. The three amigo's........ of the terrorists.)
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To: Christian4Bush
I'd like to see the SOB's at AP arrested on trumped up charges and forced to spend millions of dollars on lawyers.

Works well in Venezuela and Russia.

12 posted on 12/25/2006 10:12:38 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Jorge

In "Presshole-Speak" this means the war is now an official failure and not worth the effort.

The MSM is truly pathetic.


13 posted on 12/25/2006 10:12:44 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Jorge

"And the number of deaths in WWII far exceeded those lost in Pearl Harbor.

What is the point here?"

My point, which I am sure differs from MSM, is that at least when we entered WWII, we were in the war to win. I am not sure exactly what our strategy in Iraq is. I'm not even sure there is a strategy.


14 posted on 12/25/2006 10:12:56 PM PST by BW2221
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U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count

So? It is less than the U.S. lost on Iwo Jima is less than a month, all for a landing strip which was of no use to us anymore a year later. The pathetic faggots in the MSM have no concept of sacrifice for a noble cause. They are despicable.

15 posted on 12/25/2006 10:13:40 PM PST by montag813
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To: ckilmer
AP X-MAS Party
16 posted on 12/25/2006 10:14:31 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

And they were killed by Muslim terrorists.

Apparently liberals think that IEDs are plants that grow in the Iraqi soil.


17 posted on 12/25/2006 10:15:29 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: ckilmer


Wow - it only took three years in Iraq (and three ten minute intervals on 9-11).....


18 posted on 12/25/2006 10:16:14 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: ckilmer

These WWII comparisons are silly. Very few people really consider the Iraq war, in and of itself, to be crucial in saving Western civilization.

The point here is that the Iraq war has now cost us more lives than one of our nation's most horrible tragedies, and a majority of Americans are seriously doubting whether we have gained any increased security resulting from the war that has resulted in this death toll. It is important that Americans are reminded the cost of our wars.

That said, I do think the AP are vultures who just couldn't wait to report this.


19 posted on 12/25/2006 10:16:28 PM PST by DallasJ7
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To: ckilmer
Two to three per day over the course of years is equal to three thousand over the course of a few hours. Only pure evil would make such a comparison.

20 posted on 12/25/2006 10:17:17 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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