Posted on 12/18/2006 3:27:36 AM PST by Doctor13
What the hell is wrong with these people?
Great, now they're infiltrating the military. Once that goes, we're doomed for sure. When push comes to shove, they'll turn on us because they're brought up to have their loyalty first and foremost to Islam and they're allowed to lie to infidels if it furthers the cause of Islam.
Lunacy run amok!
A wahabbist iman converting our troops for seditious activity while in uniform as a Marine Officer?
I guess they'll later tell us he's a double agent for the Corps...yeah...that's it.
when you're deployed or out in the bush, you can make it so that people want to get transfered out and away.
If that's politically incorrect... so sorry. If it isn't the American way.... so sorry. If it's not the Christian way.... I'm a bad, fallen and sinful Christian... so sorry.
You might want to reconsider the "nothing to worry about".
The man is a practicing member of the most virulent form of Islam. The ones who are busy building mosques around the world where hatred of all non muslims can be preached.
Can you say "fifth column" at one of our oldest and most prestigious military organizations? How much information could that "Chaplain" pass on to our enemies? We are stupid beyond belief...that's like inviting the mugger in for a snack!
"Osama Bin Laden, named by US officials as the main suspect in the 11 September attacks against America, is Saudi-born and a Wahhabi.
Many people are accordingly asking about the character of "Wahhabism" and debating whether it is an inherently radical form of Islam.
In fact, the term is properly used to describe an Islamic revivalist movement which sprang up in the Arabian peninsula in the 18th century.
Like many revivalists in the course of Muslim history, Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab, the founder of the movement, felt that the local practice of Islam had lost its original purity.
The modern Saudi state is founded on the 18th-century alliance between the Wahhabi religious movement and the House of Saud - the family that has ruled the Saudi kingdom since its creation in the 1930s.
In daily life, the Saudi religious establishment - the ulema - have imposed strict segregation of the sexes, an absolute prohibition of the sale and consumption of alcohol, a ban on women driving and many other social restrictions.
The rules are enforced by the "mutawa", or religious police, who patrol the streets and shopping centres on the look-out for anyone breaking the rules.
"You might want to reconsider the "nothing to worry about".
Excuse me Ms expert, but where exactly does my post say "nothing to worry about."?
You actually should read other posts before replying with all of your military and religious expertise.
"I will defer my opinion on this issue ***until someone can establish that this man will be harmful to our country***".
My response was right on target....the very fact that this man is a Wahhabi serving at a premier US military institution IS cause for concern.
Sorry to offend you with facts. Do feel free to keep your head in the sand.
This is the "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" school of thought. It may be a strategy that works or it may not be. Problem is that if it doesn't work, then we have given the Wahhabis the appearance of legitimacy and have allowed them to infilitrate our military structure. Moreover, we haven't just backed a "mild & benign form of Islam" (if there is such a thing, I don't believe that there is) but rather the most radical form of Islam. What does that say to "moderate Muslims"? Only a 9/11 gets you respect? And preferential treatment?
It appears that the US is "not at war with Islam", but that doesn't mean that Islam is not at war with us. If you are not "Dar al Islam" (a Muslim country), then you are automatically considered "Dar al Harab" (the House of War) -- their words, not ours --it's Islam's inherently aggressive worldview. Until we all start bowing toward Mecca, then we are all in "the House of War" to them whether we like it or not!
It is a mistake to see Islam solely as "a religion" -- or even soley as "a political philosphy". Much as for many years we have tried to spread "American culture" accross the globe, Islam -- particularly Wahhabism -- has tried to spread "Arab culture" across the globe. For a Muslim, if you can't recite the Koran in Arabic, you aren't really and fully "a Muslim". If you take a look at Darfur, you see this in its most radical form -- virtually all the people killing and getting killed are Muslims -- but it is the Arab Muslims killing the African Muslims that has created this bloodbath. In Iraq, the civil war is the same -- Arab Sunnis at war with Persian (non-Arab) Shiites. What exists in Wahhabism is "a perfect storm" of an Arab worldview -- "spreading Arab culture and political philosphy world-wide (including by force if necessary) because Allah (God) demands it and authorizes it". Even if we were to try to be inclusive with some form of Islam, this is the worst possible choice of Islamic candidates to be inclusive of, because it is the most radical and violent one.
The only thing that I see in this action of including Wahhabis into our military chaplaincy is Saudi petro-dollars at work in our government -- they are infilitrating our military because they have already infiltrated our government. Greedy politicians have already sold us out in return for getting their campaign coffers stuffed by the Saudis -- and now they are simply taking the next logical steps to gain control, infiltrating our military.
Swell, we have a mosque at West Point now BTTT
Hey, I serve with the guy. He's willing to take care of our Marines--Marines who would never come to a Christian chaplain. You can call him all the names you want--buy he takes care of Marines and is well respected.
So tell me -- were those Marines Christian, or non-Christian?
If Christian, WHY wouldn't they visit a Christian chaplain?
Were they Muslim, or did they become Muslim?
I wasn't "name calling", just making the observation that most pious Muslims are still focused on completing the Nazi "Final Solution" for Jews -- with the added ambition of applying that "solution" to ALL non-Muslims...
I've yet to hear anything about this very "special" cleric to make me feel any better about recognizing a murderous cult like Islam and calling it a respectable "religion"...
Semper Fi
Even the Marine Corps is eaten up with Political Correctness these days. (Although, technically, the Navy Chaplain's Corps furnishes the Marine's Chaplains).
Not sure I'm tracking with your question(s). I was speaking of Muslim Marines whose spiritual needs are taken care of by providing them a Muslim chaplain. We do the same for our Protestant and Catholic Marines.
Like it or not, we do have Muslim Marines--because of time/space limitations imposed on all of us by virtue of our humanity, I do not know when they converted, before or after joining the Marines--does it matter?
Not name calling? I think I remember you calling him a Nazi. I'm not asking you to recognize Islam (I don't), but I think it's important not to generalize and say they all support exterminating Jews (they don't).
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