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Solved At Last: The Burning Mystery Of Joan Of Arc
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 12-17-2006 | Alex Duval

Posted on 12/17/2006 11:08:36 AM PST by blam

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To: Verginius Rufus

Joan's siblings and entire family in fact were well documented and the family actually still lives in the same town she originated in. So they have DNA to test this against.


21 posted on 12/17/2006 12:04:07 PM PST by J_Baird
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To: fish hawk

"They are wishing to solve this riddle but, of course they never will. "

Even more luddite than the patent dept head at the turn of the 20th century who said the office should be dismantled because everything that can be invented had been, I place you in the class of the experts who said something was as ephemeral as the thought that we could ever know what the stars are made of.

It's a problem shared by evolution-deniers, I suppose. If they can stop people from snooping around, superstition has a better chance of not being exposed for what it is.


22 posted on 12/17/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: cake_crumb

These days a written historical record and eye witness
testimony isn't enough. There must be archeological "evidence".

Doubt everything.
Confirm nothing.
CYA Science.
God grieves.


23 posted on 12/17/2006 12:44:51 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Doubt everything.
Confirm nothing.
CYA Science.
God grieves.

How very sadly true.

24 posted on 12/17/2006 1:00:49 PM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" try to prosecute wars, you get Viet Nam)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

Sabine Herold
25 posted on 12/17/2006 1:07:51 PM PST by Heatseeker
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To: gcruse

Oh, you are so..so...scientific. You've convinced me.


26 posted on 12/17/2006 1:14:00 PM PST by fish hawk (.)
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To: Heatseeker
Ah, Sabine Herold!

Here's a good article:

Liberty Belle

Most French people devote their summers to quintessentially Gallic pursuits: celebrating Bastille Day, spending some of their mandatory eight-week vacation time, going on strike.

But Sabine Herold, to put it mildly, is not your typical Frog. Herold, the 22-year-old leader of Liberté, J'ecris Ton Nom (Freedom, I Write Your Name), has in the last few months emerged as the massively popular and highly photogenic leader of -- zut! -- a burgeoning pro-market, pro-American counterculture in France. Earning comparisons to Joan of Arc, Brigitte Bardot (!), and Margaret Thatcher in the panting British press, she represents something French politics hasn't seen in years: a public figure eager to take on the country's endlessly striking unions.

It is startling to hear any Parisienne, let alone a college student, drop references to F. A. Hayek in casual conversation, describe Communists as "disgusting," or lead pro-war demonstrations in front of the American Embassy. Herold is fond of issuing heretical statements guaranteed to make any good fonctionnaire's skin crawl.


27 posted on 12/17/2006 1:36:15 PM PST by Max in Utah (WWBFD? "What Would Ben Franklin Do?")
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To: cake_crumb

If archeological evidence is the litmus for
recorded history, then in 200 or so years,
one may actually be able to deny the holocaust
or any other inconvenient truth.


28 posted on 12/17/2006 1:45:38 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: blam
French scientists, who have been studying those ashes, confirmed yesterday that a piece of cloth found among the remains may have been a fragment of Joan of Arc's gown.

I could have told them that.

29 posted on 12/17/2006 1:48:21 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Max in Utah

I met one like that in Home Depot last week. She was a beautiful young French girl. She said she loved the United States, loved being here with American people, and had nothing but contempt for the socialists and communists who were ruining her country.

Last year I met a very nice Russian woman there who said the same things. It gives one hope. (Of course, both of them are here instead of back home working to change things.)


30 posted on 12/17/2006 1:48:35 PM PST by Fairview
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To: Fairview

Did you ask her out? French chicks are easy.


31 posted on 12/17/2006 1:51:27 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: expatpat
How can you confirm something may have...?

You just make it up and then go the other way.
A definite maybe.


Bone Fragment Likely Not Joan of Arc

By CHRISTIAN PANVERT
Associated Press Writer

December 17, 2006, 3:39 AM EST

CHINON, France -- A rib bone and a piece of cloth supposedly recovered after Joan of Arc was burned at the stake are probably not hers, according to experts trying to unravel one of the mysteries surrounding the 15th century French heroine.

Eighteen experts began a series of tests six months ago on the fragments reportedly recovered from the pyre where the 19-year-old was burned for heresy.

Although the tests have not been completed, findings so far indicate there is "relatively little chance" that the remnants are hers, Philippe Charlier, the head of the team, told The Associated Press on Saturday.


32 posted on 12/17/2006 2:02:26 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: blam

Interesting thanks for posti8ng.


33 posted on 12/17/2006 2:05:52 PM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: michigander

Oh, I see. You confirm it before you vote "maybe not".


34 posted on 12/17/2006 2:08:16 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Jo Nuvark

How would you use archaeological evidence to deny the Holocaust?


35 posted on 12/17/2006 2:25:53 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue

Lack of archeological evidence would be used to deny the holocaust. Pictures, testimony and historical records don't seem to be convincing to these psuedo scientists.


36 posted on 12/17/2006 2:36:45 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
"If archeological evidence is the litmus for
recorded history, then in 200 or so years,
one may actually be able to deny the holocaust
or any other inconvenient truth."

I wouldn't go that far. There have always been Holocaust deniers and there have always been bad scientists who make theories and then proceed to make up facts to fit them.

Not all scientists are like that. If you are prepared to spend years in college to devote your life to a given discipline, it's likely because you have an intense interest in that disciline. Biblical archeology for example uses tried and true archeological techniques to find the remains of temples and other biblically significant sites 2000 years old and more. However people have always denied the existance or Christ.

In 200 years there will still be Holocaust deniers and the archeological evidence will still exist which proved it did happen that the moonbats are still loony.

37 posted on 12/17/2006 2:39:03 PM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" try to prosecute wars, you get Viet Nam)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Well, I agree with you. Archaeology has built an impressive body of evidence over the years, and sometimes those who don't understand science very well tend to misinterpret or exaggerate that evidence to draw some fairly unscientific conclusions.


38 posted on 12/17/2006 2:39:25 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: michigander

Yep, that's the mass media for you: report it as a (possible) fat while ALSO reporting it might not be a fact.


39 posted on 12/17/2006 2:40:46 PM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" try to prosecute wars, you get Viet Nam)
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To: blam

A lot of interest in someone dead for so long. Surely, lots of other people died at the same time, ordinary people who did not hear voices, who did not take up arms, who did not wage political war, people who lived quietly and who worked hard for life and family. Clearly, if she actually heard those voices, she was every bit as insane as some have claimed. Maybe it's time to de-mystify the past and, where possible, see it the way it was.


40 posted on 12/17/2006 2:44:16 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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