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Astronauts Forced To Take Shelter From Violent Solar Storm In Space
Local6 ^ | December 13, 2006

Posted on 12/13/2006 9:49:26 AM PST by TheTruthAintPretty

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To: TheTruthAintPretty
I'm the first to admit to being a nut-case, but I've been proposing hemp-diesel electrification in rural industries in order to keep energy dollars local and reduce our serious vulnerability to any attack on our centralized grid.
41 posted on 12/13/2006 11:34:45 AM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: dgallo51

spaceflightnow.com

1929 GMT (2:29 p.m. EST)

In a make-or-break first step in an ambitious mission to re-wire the international space station, the Discovery astronauts today began retracting a huge solar array to clear the way for a complicated electrical upgrade. But the venetian blind-like blankets on one side developed kinks and folds that forced the astronauts to abort the procedure.




Is this a stopper? The solar storm thing is nothing.


42 posted on 12/13/2006 11:41:36 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: LukeL
Most likely they will wind up like Adam West and only get lymphoma.

That response was so odd and ugly that I had to google it up. I guess that's a reference to "Family Guy", the most unfunny yet most self-hip cartoon ever created?

43 posted on 12/13/2006 11:44:16 AM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Here is the GIF of the sun as it happened:

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2006/13dec06/cme_c3_strip.gif


44 posted on 12/13/2006 11:45:49 AM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Universal Warming; I need about $3trillion to study this, we are doomed.


45 posted on 12/13/2006 11:54:32 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Lokibob

http://www.spaceweather.com/

X-FLARE: Sunspot 930 has unleashed another big solar flare, an X3-class explosion at 0240 UT on Dec. 13th. In Huirangi, New Zealand, photographer Andy Dodson caught the spot in mid-flare:

46 posted on 12/13/2006 12:02:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Merry Something PC.)
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To: sticker
What is a "pure" diesel engine? Is it that different from what is commonly used?

It is one that can run purely without electronics, no ECM (Electronic Control Module).

The biggest danger from a massive solar storm or EMP (electromagnetic pulse) is to anything "on the grid" (hooked to power lines, which ultimately are giant antennas). Ever since the advent of the telegraph, solar flares have been playing havoc with long distance wiring - frying insulators, etc. Automotive electronics are far less vulnerable, but not completely so.

"Pure" diesels don't even need spark plugs, much less electronic timing and fuel injection, to operate.

47 posted on 12/13/2006 12:05:21 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Thank you


48 posted on 12/13/2006 12:11:13 PM PST by sticker
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
Aurora photo gallery
49 posted on 12/13/2006 12:14:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Merry Something PC.)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

50 posted on 12/13/2006 12:26:21 PM PST by Lucky9teen (If someone offers you a penny for your thoughts, tell them "I was thinking how cheap you are")
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To: NormsRevenge

A friend and I did a science fair project about solar flares and their effects on the Earth's electromagnetic field. We did this by making a device capable of reading changes in the field by reflecting a light off a mirror. It has a magnet and a hanging mirror and it's pretty cool. We saw a major change one day and looked online, sure enough there had been a massive solar flare. Interesting stuff.


51 posted on 12/13/2006 12:26:32 PM PST by RealTeen (Right- Correct, Right- Conservative. Are You Right on the Right?)
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To: EarthBound
Nah, certain portions of the station simply were created to provide better protection again radiation.

At 93 million miles away, they had exactly 8 minutes to get to that area. Think they made it?

52 posted on 12/13/2006 12:31:00 PM PST by montag813
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To: RealTeen

Nifty!


53 posted on 12/13/2006 12:31:43 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
THIS is why we need a backup plan to our reliance on electronic technology. For example, a stockpile of hand-operated gas and diesel pumps, "pure" diesel engines, a healthy reserve of horses and other ancient work animals...

The degree of ionization is not comparable to an atmospheric EMP. But is is always smart to play it safe. We have a large Faraday cage "in case". Inside are 2 Satellite phones with 500 minutes each, data cable, laptop, gps, and assorted electronics. No solar surge or EMP will take this out.

54 posted on 12/13/2006 12:34:08 PM PST by montag813
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To: 2Jedismom
My son is studying this very thing in science right now! And I mean, right now!

Let your son stay up tonight.

There is an excellent chance of seeing an aurora ( northern lights) around and after midnight as a direct result of the solar flare.

The prediction is for mid latitudes, down as far as N. California and across through NC.

The Geminids meteor shower tonight also.

55 posted on 12/13/2006 12:44:03 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: RightWhale
The whole venetian blind-like solar array is a tribute to our boys in White Sands, God love them. Space will undoubtedly drive Solar Photovoltaic research, however, simpler, low-cost applications of solar in the co-production of industrial process heat would be a preference of mine…much can be done to drive down the cost of simple collector arrays, but nobody returns my calls:-)

Solar storms we can handle…crinkly cellophane? Houston…we have a problem!
56 posted on 12/13/2006 12:47:59 PM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: Vinnie
There is an excellent chance of seeing an aurora ( northern lights) around and after midnight as a direct result of the solar flare.

Not quite....the strongest display could be anytime tonight or tomorrow night (or occur during the day tomorrow.)

All other things being equal, midnight in a given location would be the best time, but if the arrival of the CME impact doesn't cooperate, the only time the aurora is visible in, say, North Carolina (if it is) could be between 3 and 3:30AM tomorrow morning, or 7PM tomorrow night, etc. It's impossible to predict with precision.

57 posted on 12/13/2006 12:48:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: montag813
At 93 million miles away, they had exactly 8 minutes to get to that area. Think they made it?

I think they were bedded down and placed in those protective areas preemptively as they had noticed Sol's reluctance to be helpful for the mission earlier. =)

Now, if they were outside, I'd be highly doubtful of it, but then I don't know what kind of rads come out of an X3 flare. I intend to look it up now.

58 posted on 12/13/2006 12:52:13 PM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo, gratia. Ex astris, scientia)
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To: montag813
At 93 million miles away, they had exactly 8 minutes to get to that area. Think they made it?

From my understanding, the actual solar belch (the charged particles in a CME), while still extremely fast, travel less than 6 million MPH, so we usually have over 15 hrs.

Back in 2003 we dodged a bullet - the CME was not aimed straight at us, and the magnetic polarity was opposite of the earth. The chances of everything coming together at once for "the perfect solar storm" are relatively small, but not non-existent.

59 posted on 12/13/2006 12:55:33 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: Strategerist; 2Jedismom

Here is the notice.. do as you wish.
Don't forget the Gemininds.


VALID BEGINNING AT: 00:00 UTC ON 14 DECEMBER
VALID UNTIL: 23:00 UTC (5 pm EDT) ON 15 DECEMBER

HIGH RISK PERIOD: 14 DECEMBER (UTC DAYS)
MODERATE RISK PERIOD: 14 - 15 DECEMBER

PREDICTED ACTIVITY INDICES: 15, 70, 30, 15 (13 - 16 DECEMBER)

POTENTIAL MAGNITUDE OF MIDDLE LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY: HIGH

POTENTIAL DURATION OF THIS ACTIVITY: MAIN BELT = 12 HOURS
MINOR BELT = 12-24 HOURS

ESTIMATED OPTIMUM OBSERVING CONDITIONS: NEAR AND AFTER LOCAL MIDNIGHT

EXPECTED LUNAR INTERFERENCE: MODERATE AFTER LOCAL MIDNIGHT

OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR OBSERVATIONS FROM MIDDLE LATITUDES: GOOD TO VERY GOOD

AURORAL ACTIVITY *MAY* BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...
(THIS LINE IS VALID *ONLY* IF FAVORABLE STORM CONDITIONS OCCUR)

NORTHERN CALIFORNIA TO NORTHERN NEVADA TO COLORADO TO KANSAS TO SOUTHERN
MISSOURI TO TENNESSEE TO NORTH CAROLINA.

ACTIVITY *MAY* ALSO BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...
(THIS LINE IS VALID *ONLY* IF FAVORABLE STORM CONDITIONS OCCUR)

FRANCE TO NORTHERN ITALY TO AUSTRIA TO SOUTHERN POLAND TO CENTRAL RUSSIA.

NEW ZELAND AND SOUTHERN AUSTRALIA MAY ALSO SPOT PERIODS OF ACTIVITY
MODERATE TO STRONG ACTIVITY.

SYNOPSIS...

A powerful and well-directed solar flare from active solar Region 930
was observed early on 13 December. This event has the potential to produce
periods of moderate to strong (possibly even intense) auroral storm activity
on 14 December, possibly lingering into 15 December. The most intense phase
of activity is likely to occur some hours after the initial impact, which is
currently expected near 07:00 UTC on 14 December (2 am EST on 14 December).
The moon will begin to impinge on observations after it rises sometime after
local midnight, so the best observations (if possible) will occur prior to
and near local midnight when the moon is still below the horizon.

This warning will remain valid through 24:00 UTC (5 pm EST) on
15 December. It will be updated or allowed to expire at that time. For
updated information, visit: http://www.spacew.com/aurora/forum.html. For
real-time plots of current activity, visit: http://www.spacew.com/plots.html


60 posted on 12/13/2006 12:57:49 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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