SMPs (Members of the Scottish Parliament) Seek Clarification Over Sign of the Cross

The Universe ^ | 12/5/2006 | n/a

[TigersEye]

There was a time when a Scotsman would pick up his Claymore over something like this. I'm fourth or fifth generation American but I still feel it in my blood.

[Candor7]

There was a time when a Scotsman would pick up his Claymore over something like this. I'm fourth or fifth generation American but I still feel it in my blood.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Me too.The funny thing is that the British rule Scotland and if players got out their mats and prayed to Mecca before a match, that would be OK?

The Scots have been crossing themselves in more ways than one for hundreds of years, and this is one more example.Demonstartive religious gestures are one thing but the world has indeed gone bonkers.

I prefer the mudra of Mount Kailasha, but that Buddhist gesture would be lost to all except a few Tibetans, who would hardly be predisposed to riot in the stands.

[TigersEye]

You've got me curious. I've been practicing Tibetan Buddhism for over eight years and have never heard of that mudra. But then I've only been given English names for mudras so I might know it and not know that I know it. If ya know what I mean. ; )

[PAR35]

Anglicans (which includes members of the Church of Scotland)

Church of Scotland isn't Anglican. It is from the Calvinist tradition.

[MadMitch]

The Church of Scotland is Presbyterian, no crossing, no smokey handbags.

[Bigg Red]

Why do we put up with all this crap that is stuffed down our throats.

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I think the poster was referring to PC propaganda not to RC teachings.

[Mrs Ivan]

From memory, believe there is a traditional rivalry between the two teams of the town (Celtic and Rangers) and that one team is traditionally Catholic and the other Protestant.

I suspect that this has something to do with the case being brought.

[Wallace T.]

I have read that a higher percentage of Englishmen than Scots favor independence for Scotland. Is there a tendency of the Scots to become embroiled in religious and other internal conflicts that makes a majority of Englishmen want to cut three century old ties with Scotland?

[Mrs Ivan]

I think that the English are disgruntled with the huge amounts of money we pump into Scotland as well as the fact that Scottish MPs have seats in the English Parliament and thus an influence on English law.

The Sunday Times had an article that might be of interest, Anti-enterprise Scotland go it alone? What a hoot

[AnAmericanMother]

From memory, believe there is a traditional rivalry between the two teams of the town (Celtic and Rangers) and that one team is traditionally Catholic and the other Protestant.

I suspect that this has something to do with the case being brought.

Bingo! That's it. If you're Catholic, you support Celtic; if Protestant, Ranger. When this story first surfaced, word was that he had used the gesture to antagonize the other team or its supporters. Apparently not from this latest account.

Bad joke:

It's the Forth Bridge, near midnight, dark and stormy. A man's clinging to the girders, yelling "Ah'm gaun ta jump!"

A crowd gathers. A good samaritan steps forth and shouts, "Dinna jump, man! Think o' yir family!"

"I hae nae family."

"Think o' yir friends."

"I hae nae friends."

"Then, for the sake o' good old Celtic!"

"Ah dinna support Celtic."

Good samaritan takes a deep breath, but a life is at stake . . .

"Weel, then, for the sake o' good old Ranger!"

"Ah dinna support Ranger."

"Awa, then, gae on an' jump, ye bluidy atheist!"

[AppyPappy]

Presbyterians do not cross themselves that I have ever noticed.

Presbyterians avoid all things Catholic

[Churchillspirit]

I see more and more folks crossing themselves in my church - Episcopalian. And if you've ever watched a MLB game.......

The Rangers v Celtic soccer games are always full on religious tension - Rangers are protestant, Celtic are catholic. Although their most famous manager - Jock Stein was a protestant. Apparently there were more hand gestures than the sign of the cross going on during this game.

[MadMitch]

I think that the English are disgruntled with the huge amounts of money we pump into Scotland as well as the fact that Scottish MPs have seats in the English Parliament and thus an influence on English law.

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Scotland more than pays its own way in the Union, if anything its Scotland pumping money into England through the revenues from North Sea Oil, Edinburghs financial institutions, whisky, plus the normal taxes.

[Frwy]

Excellent reply. Great explanation. Thank you.

[Frwy]

I'm sorry to hear that. Let me see if I have this straight in my mind. You have prombems with non-Catholics "holding forth" on Catholic teaching, however, I do not have the same right to question Catholics discoursing about what Protestants believe about the Catholic Religion. Verrrrry interesting, but as we learned on Laugh-in many years ago, "but stupid dumb."

[karnage]

You have the right to question whatever you like.

[Frwy]

I see now why you got so exercised about my remarks. I was not saying Catholics are stuffing crap down our throats. I admit I should have been clearer, perhaps a paragraph break but the crap being stuffed is the PC crap by the PCites. I was defending the Catholics right to cross themselves anywhere they want to. On the foul line, in line at the grocery, the restaurant while praying before dinner, any and all places, public and private. No restrictions. This PC s*%# is getting critical. It is usurping our God given and even man given rights. We just go on and let it happen.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear.