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Shotgun blasts stop home invasion
Times Herald-Record ^ | 11/30/06 | John Doherty

Posted on 11/30/2006 4:44:18 AM PST by Hazcat

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To: Hazcat

The second one looks like a serious piece but it still is going to be a very short range tool.


61 posted on 11/30/2006 7:52:07 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: arthurus
but it still is going to be a very short range tool.

I agree and yet it comes with scope mounts!

62 posted on 11/30/2006 7:54:00 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: arthurus

They also have some single shot types http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=62832&item=SCP60000&instock=all&manufact_combo=None&mod_ser_combo=None&category_combo=None&model=None&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=45LC%7C410+Gauge&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=50&item_num=


63 posted on 11/30/2006 7:55:50 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Hazcat
Snakeyes comes in a single version, too but I much prefer having a backup shot. Reloading mine takes almost as much time as reloading a musket. I have to push the pin that breaks it open with the butt of my knife and often have to prise the fired shells out with the tip of the blade. My wife thinks it's cute, though. She will only shoot it with leather gloves on.

I just found my snake-eyes here http://www.righteouswarriortemple.org/New%20Folder/derrin.htm in the 7th paragraph but no pic. It does call it a derringer.

64 posted on 11/30/2006 8:20:22 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: fnord
Check your freepmail.
65 posted on 11/30/2006 8:23:37 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: fnord
Packing.org has had a lot of problems recently. Far better is this site:

GUN LAWS

66 posted on 11/30/2006 8:29:19 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: arthurus

Is yours a SxS or an over under? Here is a link to some O/U types http://www.bondarms.com/ifirearms.htm


67 posted on 11/30/2006 8:29:34 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: newcthem
A friend of mine who was in law enforcement claimed that a Remington 870 pump was a great gun for home defence. Hard to miss, and he claimed that the sound of a round being chambered was one any perp could recognize and was in itself a great deterent.

This seems to a part of the popular self defense advice ethos these days. I disagree. I find that under the extreme pressure of self defense situations there is more of a tendency for the novice shooter to short stroke the pump thus causing a double feed jam. Such a jam is one of the most difficult to clear and could put your life in jeopardy because you're vulnerable unless you instantly discard the longarm and segue to the sidearm.

I'm only speaking from the point of view of having a degree in Criminal Justice, being a former LEO and a current NRA certified Firearms Instructor for the past 20 years. But it's just my .02. Remember...I said novice shooters or those who don't regularly practice with their guns for such a scenario.

Hard to miss? PUH-lease! The shot won't have time to spread at all at typical defense ranges. You most certainly DO have to aim and you can certainly MISS, even with an open choke! This one is Urban Myth.

Semi autos are more reliable today, faster and still offer that satisfying KA-thunk! sound on chambering a round. My Benelli can empty an 8rd tube before the first hull hits the ground and can do so with minimum recoil (the whole bolt group since it is moving, acts as a shock absorber) and maximum accuracy.

68 posted on 11/30/2006 8:45:14 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Sen. Specter will be pleased by your reference to Scottish law!


69 posted on 11/30/2006 8:45:51 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub. Brian, we're all pulling for you!)
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To: newcthem
A friend of mine who was in law enforcement...

Note: Never rely on advice from street cops about guns! Not unless they're the firearms coach for their dept or they've got at least 10yrs experience on an urban SWAT team. OR if they're recent infantry combat veterans.

Cops are victims of our public schools and their antigun agenda. Most street cops are terrible shots and the scoring systems for dept quals is PASS/FAIL for a reason. A lot of attorneys would love to make the argument in court that the cop is liable for shooting his "innocent" client because the cop in question BARELY passed the shooting portion of the police academy. Hence the change in most urban depts.

70 posted on 11/30/2006 9:02:29 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
I find that under the extreme pressure of self defense situations there is more of a tendency for the novice shooter to short stroke the pump thus causing a double feed jam. Such a jam is one of the most difficult to clear and could put your life in jeopardy because you're vulnerable unless you instantly discard the longarm and segue to the sidearm. ... Remember...I said novice shooters or those who don't regularly practice with their guns for such a scenario.

I agree with you. That is why when talking to a NOVICE and aswering "THE QUESTION" (home defense) I always suggest a good revolver and if they want a shotgun I say get a SBS.

71 posted on 11/30/2006 9:16:13 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Moonman62

At the very least you will have to buy a new picture window, big screen tv or computer monitor if you miss.


72 posted on 11/30/2006 9:46:05 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: fnord

As for an opinion as to weapon choice from freepers, and you shall receive.


Moss. 500 or Rem 870 are great choices. Both have more toys and barrel options than you'd ever want. My advice is about your AMMO. 00 or 000 buck is over kill for indoors and all but outdoor shots at ranges or through cover (car doors, etc.). #5-7.5 shot is just fine at 'pistol' range indoors and just out--especially if in an RV park w/ neighbors near. 000 is what you keep in the saddle holder or if bears might be an issue.

I bet with little restriction you could travel into CANADA provided the thing was cased and unloaded (firearms for self defense are a no-no there, so plan on talking about trap or sheet shooting when asked).


73 posted on 11/30/2006 10:01:14 AM PST by Neo-Luddite ("Don't believe your own bulls*hit, that's the first sign you're in trouble".)
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To: ExSoldier

Truth be told, I short stroked my mos 500 on shot #2 when I went deer hunting this year. I surprised myself.
Would a semi-auto combat shotgun meet Fnord's needs in legal terms? I honestly don't know. Some locals want a gun to meet their 'sporting' test.


74 posted on 11/30/2006 10:13:41 AM PST by Neo-Luddite ("Don't believe your own bulls*hit, that's the first sign you're in trouble".)
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To: Hazcat
if they want a shotgun I say get a SBS.

Side By Side. There you go. Take it a step further. I have an old fashioned sbs "rabbit eared" hammer gun in a special bracket above the bedroom door. Always has two in the pipes and easily and instantly recognizeable for being cocked or not. Problem is that if you need to reload, it's slow...especially under pressure. But then you could always transition to the sidearm in the unlikely event that anybody stuck around after having a Street Howitzer discharged in their direction.

75 posted on 11/30/2006 10:54:26 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Neo-Luddite
Would a semi-auto combat shotgun meet Fnord's needs in legal terms? I honestly don't know. Some locals want a gun to meet their 'sporting' test.

Good question. My guess is that sporting test usually refers to capacity. The ugly black assault shottie (the SPAS was a classic example) usually has an 8+ round capacity in an extended tube. I'll bet a Benelli Black Eagle with a 20" Deer Tube & rifle sights with a factory plug still inside to make it "hunt legal" would keep it legal for SD almost anywhere. The added plus is that simple removal of the plug gives usually an additional 2rd extension so from 3 to 5 rds and that should be enough.

Ammo is also a consideration. Stay with #4 Buckshot and maybe a lighter small game load like #9 shot. Stay AWAY from "exotic defense ammo" like Dragon's Breath, strung buck or fleschettes!

76 posted on 11/30/2006 11:00:38 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: tcostell
And damned awful shooting .... a shotgun at point blank range, a (more or less) stationary target the size of a man... and he missed?!

Was the target at point blank range? What does a shotgun have to do with missing at point blank range? For close quarters, I'll take a pistol over a shotgun ant day.

77 posted on 11/30/2006 11:28:13 AM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: fnord
I am getting a shotgun for home defense

Why would you want a long gun for close quarter use? The average length of a shotgun is 43" The average length of a pistol is 12" Five rounds in a scatter gun, 15 rounds in a pistol. Better target acquisition/reacquisition with a pistol.

I have four shotguns and eight pistols. Pmly the pistols are loaded for home defense and carry. The shotguns are for trap, skeet, sporting clays, and hunting.

Just my 2 cents

78 posted on 11/30/2006 11:33:50 AM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Dark Skies
Note that this is New York State, up the river a bit from NYC.

Surrounding Newburg is quite rural. It's about 50 miles north of NYC on the west side of the Huson River. I used to go pheasant hunting about 8 miles out. Shotguns are not an issue.

79 posted on 11/30/2006 12:02:34 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I currently have a very nice Benelli but soon I will be adding in a Beretta XTREMA2.

Watch it perform

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6750458630308006678
80 posted on 11/30/2006 12:15:20 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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