Posted on 11/27/2006 4:54:01 AM PST by RightoLIfe
The Observer Dispatch reported Sunday that newly elected Congressman, Michael Arcuri, was honored after Mass for his service to the Church.
well God forbid anyone pro-abortion ever be considered of capable of doing good things!
good things or not, the Catholic Church should not laud those who break with its teaching. let the secular world praise him for whatever good he may do. it is time for the Church to call out those who work at cross purposes with Church teaching.
Paging Ted Kennedy, paging Ted Kennedy...
The parishioners should have got up and walked out. That message would have been heard loud and clear.
you know, several years back i was at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception here in DC, helping to chaperone my then Kindergartener's field trip and i saw him there [they were just opening the new JP2 center there] and i exclaimed aloud that i was expecting a thunderbolt from the sky at any minute.
I AM NOT CATHOLIC BASHING!
INSTEAD OF A RICK WARREN PING LIST,MAYBE A "ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL PING LIST"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744480/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1744418/posts
7 SOLAS!
All churches need to start using their power to excommunicate members who support immoral acts especially ones who hold elected office. I'm not just saying the Catholic I'm saying all of them. The Christian Churches also need to openly denounce Apostate Churches such as the most liberal ones like United Church of Christ.
exactly. stop letting them hide behind the mantle of their religious faith, when clearly they are members of their respective faiths IN NAME ONLY.
"well God forbid anyone pro-abortion ever be considered of capable of doing good things!"
Abortion is one of those dogmas that are absolute. Satan is also willing to give you a worldly win so he can give you the boils to go with it.
I'm not saying that pro-abortionists are Satan, just that there is no good done with an unredeemed wrong fixed in place.
Why does not the Catholic Bishops practice what it preaches?
What is Cardinal Roger Mahony's position on this issue?
You can't possibly be serious?
It is impossible to find a single human on the planet that hasn't done something right at least a few times in life. Nevertheless, murdering the most defenseless in society for profit is a barbaric practice deserving of condemnation by all sentient beings.
No Im not entirley serious, however some of the reactions here show that maybe i shouldve been serious.
You're right, I mean Hitler liked dogs.
it strikes you as unreasonable that adherents of a faith propose to hold lawmakers of that same faith to the tenets thereof? let the kiwanis club fete him for his good deeds, or the Italian-American club, if they are so inclined. It is not appropriate for the Church to laud him when he is NOT IN COMMUNION with the Church.
"it strikes you as unreasonable that adherents of a faith propose to hold lawmakers of that same faith to the tenets thereof?"
As long as they aren't surprised when the populace won't elect them. I do not want my legislators to legislate based on a faith I do not hold. I support the death penalty; if a Catholic politician follows the increasing voice of his church to strike it down, he loses my vote. That's just one example.
And a Southern Baptist who tries to bring back Prohibition is out of the question.
The Catholic Catechism provides for the death penalty. Vote for whomever you please. Catholics in name only who hold office should be unmasked as such. I vote for lawmakers who best represent my views irrespective of their faith. One cannot be Catholic and vote prochoice. One can only be catholic in name only, in such an instance.
Well, the bishops keep clearing their throats about it, whatever the Catechism says. I also vote for those who represent my interests, irrespective of faith, but you are proposing a situation in which I might have to automatically not consider people of certain faiths.
if you are prochoice and vote on that basis then by all means vote for those candidates who share your view. Catholics, authentic catholics, do not share that view and if that means you vote against them on that basis, so be it. I am telling you that the Catholic Catechism provides for the death penalty, Catholic bishops spew a lot of crap, unfortunately. i have no problem with people who are prochoice, i DO have problems with people who try to pass themselves off as Catholics who are prochoice.
Perhaps you should ask the priest and bishop concerned why the Congressman was honored, then.
I live in the city and very familiar with Mt. Carmel church, as far as I know, he hasn't done anything for the church expect maybe coach a team but irregardless, his being honored when he is publicly for ABORTION creates confusion among those who may be ignorant that abortion is a grave sin and for that reason alone he should NOT be honored instead publicly shunned.
linda, as an authentic Catholic, i have problems with many priests and bishops and what they do, unfortunately. i am heartened that Pope Benedict is getting back to basics, however. i am puzzled why someone who is NOT an adherent of a particular faith would prefer that politicians and office holders of certain faiths NOT adhere to the beliefs of that faith. You'd rather NOT be certain that a catholic politician is voting with his conscience, in keeping with his faith, so that you could vote for him, hoping that he might secretly be prochoice?
One generally votes for legislators that one agrees with on most issues. Therefore, it is legitimate that a candidate's view on abortion or the death penalty would factor into the decision on whom to vote for. But this article concerns a church, and if that church should sanction it's members for opposing it's views.
thank you to all for your support. I encourage all others confront this issue with protests and press releases, form an organization and be heard. We can't just let these things go, we have to take action. The babies are counting on us and divine law demands it of us. Oneida County Right to Life has demanded an apology from Rev Rose of Mt. Carmel Church for allowing Michael Arcuri to be honored , we have informed our Bishop of this and will send out the policy statement to all churches in the area so that they cannot say they weren't aware of the policy.
No; I'm asking where it stops. A Muslim congressman has been elected in Minnesota, for example. Do you want him to be true to the Koran when he sponsors or votes on legislation? This country was not founded on favoring the laws of any one faith over the others.
Yes, they should be publicly ex communicated
i am not remotely surprised that this is the Syracuse diocesse, they are ridiculously liberal up there. my husband is from upstate NY and we have been fairly appalled at what we have heard from the pulpits up there. We live in Northern VA and while not perfect it is certainly much more conservative. there are active prolife committees in many of the parishes in the Arlington diocese. we just had a priest leave our parish for JIM MORAN'S and i have no doubt he would refuse him communion if it came down to it.
I'll certainly watch the Metro section, since I'm sure that will be reported in the Post if it ever happens!
of course it will. i think there was some contratemps at St Mary's several years ago when Moran and some other politician attended Mass during the election season and the priest made a point of discussing it during the sermon. I am thinking recallmoran knows that story, i can't recall it in detail.
of course it will. i think there was some contratemps at St Mary's several years ago when Moran and some other politician attended Mass during the election season and the priest made a point of discussing it during the sermon. I am thinking recallmoran knows that story, i can't recall it in detail.
So what? Wouldn't it clarify things for all involved if people wore accurate labels?
So you'd never vote for a Catholic because you want the baby-killing to go on. That's your right.
SD
Friend, if anyone who supports killing of innocents is given a podium in any church that purports to be followers of Jesus Christ, then that congregation does not stand for Jesus Christ and needs to remove His name from their denomination. His teachings are very clear, "Thou shalt not murder." Abortion falls clearly under the heading of murder, in fact, it is premeditated murder.
Merely because 5 U.S. lawyers in black robes in 1973 declared that is not murder, does not for one moment make it anything other than murder.
I did not say that; I specifically used other examples. If people wore accurate labels we probably couldn't have politicians at all. ;)
It was not five justices in 1973; Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision, on a court with six Republican appointees. Where did you get the number five?
Then you need to explain how having known public "Catholics" be true to their faith would force you to "automatically not consider people of certain faiths. "
If it isn't about abortion, what is it about?
What about a devout, serious Catholic scares you?
SD
I stand corrected. The number 5 (as in 5 to 4)came to mind over the last Partial Birth Abortion Ban.
Abortion is still murder no matter who declares that it is not, no matter how many people do it, no matter which government sanctions it and finally, no matter how many years it is "acceptable" to people, God will never accept it.
I used the death penalty example; I support it, and if a politician says that because of his faith he'll try to end it, he loses my vote. If a Mormon or Southern Baptist tried to keep the rest of us from drinking because his religion thinks it's wrong, he's also out of line, as far as I am concerned.
People of other faiths don't "scare" me; they just shouldn't try to make me live according to their faith.
Let me make sure I have this straight. You won't vote for politicians whose ideas differ from your own.
That's not really stunning, ya know. Few people do vote for people they don't agree with.
People of other faiths don't "scare" me; they just shouldn't try to make me live according to their faith.
It's got nothing to do with "faith" or not. If someone's ideology (whether derived from divine revelation or secular human sources) is one to try to force unpopular changes upon the general population, he is not long for the political life.
That you single out "faith" as a source for fear betrays more than just the fact that you apparently haven't studied the damage to liberty done in the name of secular ideologies in the past century.
SD
All churches need to start using their power to excommunicate members who support immoral acts especially ones who hold elected office.
AMEN!
No, I've only studied the Constitution. :)
then you know there is no right to an abortion provided therein.
There's no right to any specific medical procedure, controversial or non- . :)
Does your Constitution forbid elected officials from having religious thoughts?
SD
Nope, just from enforcing everyone subscribing to them. :)
Where does it say that, exactly? Is it unconstitutional to have federal statutes against perjury, for example, because of the religious injunction to not bear false witness?
SD
You need more to do; you're obviously bored and looking for something to talk about. I would have assumed (erroneously, as it turns out) that you would understand I was speaking, as before, about any ONE religion's mandates.
Now, I suggest you take an interest in something else for awhile. :)
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