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Troopers squawk over ticket reward: Pressure on staties to snub warnings, go for cash [MA]
Boston Herald ^ | Thursday, November 16, 2006 | Dave Wedge

Posted on 11/16/2006 5:24:50 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia

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To: sgtbono2002

I read it differently. The way I saw it was that the issuance of a ticket was to be credited with substantiating 1.5 hours of the workday. A verbal warning was substantiation for only 0.5 hours.

Previously, if the trooper issued a warning (verbal or written) or a ticket, they substantiated 1 hour of their day. The changes mean that 16 verbal warnings, 8 written warnings, or 5.33 tickets would substantiate the officer's 8 hour day. That provides an incentive to issue tickets, rather than warnings, IMO.


21 posted on 11/16/2006 6:41:45 AM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: Tarantulas
Does it really take 90 minutes to issue a traffic citation? No. But if it keeps that trooper from standing in line at the unemployment office then maybe it's okay.

I don't think it's about accounting for the amount of time it takes to write the ticket, but for the amount of time it takes to observe public behavior (such as driving), to pull someone over, to write the ticket, and finally to write up the report at the end of the day.

If cops only got paid when they are performing acts like ticket writing and making arrests, there would be no police officers left, IMO.

22 posted on 11/16/2006 6:46:58 AM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: Tarantulas

Wow! You must work for the Commonwealth to come up with that spin on what is obviously a ticket quota system to make up for budget shortfalls. This isn't cost cutting. This is what Libs here call "revenue enhancement."


23 posted on 11/16/2006 7:20:06 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: ladyjane
BTW, in NC the Mexicans are cheaper and actually carry flags and warn people to slow down. In MA the trooper or policeman doesn't do that. He just has to be on site and can sit in his car.

LOL, yeah, I've seen a lot of that.

24 posted on 11/16/2006 7:54:22 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Armed revenue collectors.


25 posted on 11/16/2006 7:55:03 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

This kind of stuff leads to profiling of drug dealers which means out of state cars get pulled and searched if they meet the profile.

I have a friend whose son does auto repo work nationwide. He got pulled in Texas one night with NC plates on his car, had nothing to hide and let them search him and the car, nothing found in the car. He was carrying $2000 cash he was paid for the job and had it confiscated, tossed into jail, made bond and was charged with money laundering.

$15,000 in attorney's fees later the charges were dropped and he never recieved his $2000 back.


26 posted on 11/16/2006 8:00:32 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
I have a friend whose son does auto repo work nationwide. He got pulled in Texas one night with NC plates on his car, had nothing to hide and let them search him and the car, nothing found in the car. He was carrying $2000 cash he was paid for the job and had it confiscated, tossed into jail, made bond and was charged with money laundering.

$15,000 in attorney's fees later the charges were dropped and he never recieved his $2000 back.

Yup. The war on drugs turns the system into a criminal enterprise.

27 posted on 11/16/2006 8:09:14 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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28 posted on 11/16/2006 8:20:27 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Armed revenue collectors.

Bingo! That's exactly right. Massachusetts is the only State in the Union to have lost population for three years in a row. They are driving us all out. Pretty soon the only people left will be State workers, College professors and students.

29 posted on 11/16/2006 8:31:27 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: Doc Savage
If a male MA state cop copulates with a female MA state cop partner in his cruiser they win a month's supply of condoms and K-Y jelly.

Actually a male copulating with a female while on duty would be grounds for dismissal. Your sentence SHOULD have read:

If a male MA state cop copulates with a female another male MA state cop partner in his cruiser they win a month's supply of condoms and K-Y jelly.

30 posted on 11/16/2006 8:32:31 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Husker24; ladyjane
My God, someone in Massachusetts with common sense.

Yes, that is a refreshing point of view.

From one individual.

But as ladyjane pointed out, in MA it is the law to have a trooper or policeman on any kind of road construction. Their union lobbied for it. Some guys make way over 100k a year in overtime.

I could be wrong, but as I recall, beyond just lobbying for the law, they threatened to strike (or worse?) when abolishing paid details was proposed.

31 posted on 11/16/2006 9:47:26 AM PST by benjaminjjones (Thanks for your service Pop (& all that Pop stuff too!) Hope you & all Vets hava great Veterans Day)
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To: ladyjane

Some of the hours in that over time do not add up.

The details generally are for a 4 hour minimum (that was the case when I used to schedule them)even if it only requires a half hour or less.

Thus a savvy cop can make a pay that is based on more hours than there actually are in a week.


32 posted on 11/16/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by Radix (This Tag Line would be a better joke about John Kerry if I hadn't left out 2 words and mangled it)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
"Pretty soon the only people left will be State workers, College professors and students."

Don't forget the illegal aliens who are being enticed to come here. Gotta get those census numbers back up for 2010. Oh and the Gay marriage is designed for a bit of that as well I think.

33 posted on 11/16/2006 11:39:41 AM PST by Radix (This Tag Line would be a better joke about John Kerry if I hadn't left out 2 words and mangled it)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

And all this time, I thought traffic enforcement was about keeping us safe from each other(/sarcasm).


34 posted on 11/16/2006 12:21:39 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: MortMan

So what you are saying is that if a police officer doesnt write 6 tickets a day he isnt doing his job,according to the leadership.

Sounds like a quota to me. What looks and quacks like a duck.


35 posted on 11/16/2006 12:29:31 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Not exactly. Consider that a radio call to respond to a car wreck would also substantiate X number of hours. Basically, the idea is that the trooper needs to be involved in some number of "reportable" interactions in order to substantiate that they have actually been exercising due diligence in the performance of their duties.

The problem comes in with the new scale that weights tickets so much more heavily than oral and written warnings - which provides incentive to write the ticket versus issuing the warning because it covers so much more time.

Now, if the "time substantiation" only includes tickets and warnings, and not responses to incidents and accidents, then we are very much into quota material here.

In my job (non-law enforcement), I have to site my activities to substantiate my work production. I see this much the same, as long as ALL activities are included - not just revenue producing ones.


36 posted on 11/16/2006 12:57:30 PM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
The program, which top brass concedes is a work in progress, has already been challenged by the troopers’ union lawyer.

How many of you thought you would EVER be saying "YAY FOR THE UNION LAWYER!!"

37 posted on 11/16/2006 12:58:56 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: sgtbono2002
I gather that it's a system where the officer needs to prove that he's done at least 8 hours worth of work each day. Obviously, this scheme puts a thumb on the scale by making the job easier by writing tickets instead of giving warnings.

The originator of this idea needs an old-fashioned Massachusetts attitude adjustment:


38 posted on 11/16/2006 1:02:04 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

"The insurance racket "

A very good name for it, indeed.


39 posted on 11/16/2006 1:38:32 PM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: MortMan

OK . If you get credit for 1.5 hrs for writing a ticket do you get a minus for all the time spent eating at the donut shop?


40 posted on 11/16/2006 2:53:28 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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