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More and More Leave Germany Behind (BYE BYE DEUTSCHLAND)
Der Spiegel (online English Edition) ^ | 10 NOvember 2006 | Julia Bonstein, Alexander Jung, Sebastian Matthes and Irina Repke

Posted on 11/10/2006 4:53:31 PM PST by shrinkermd

Faced with poor job prospects, high taxes and an intrusive bureaucracy, more and more Germans are choosing to emigrate. Most of those who leave, though, are highly qualified -- which could mean devastating economic consequences.

They are fed up, truly fed up. Fed up with the constant bickering over the costs of wage benefits, social reforms, elimination of subsidies, store closing hours and all the other symbols of a country stuck in bureaucratic and legislative gridlock.

They are tired of living in country where landing a job is like playing the lottery, a country where not even half of citizens live from gainful employment and a country in which even academics in their mid-40s are already considered problem cases when it comes to job placement. In other words, they are fed up with living in a country where all opportunities already seem to be taken: opportunities to succeed in one's career, to own property and to achieve prosperity...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: adolphshrugged; demographics; emigration; eurabia; germany
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Euroland decline is picking up steam.
1 posted on 11/10/2006 4:53:31 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

...as the Muslims move in.


2 posted on 11/10/2006 4:56:03 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: shrinkermd

Where the US is headed.


3 posted on 11/10/2006 4:57:24 PM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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To: shrinkermd

Same thing happen in Sweden. More Swedes here in the U.S. than Sweden. My husband is one of Swedes.


4 posted on 11/10/2006 4:57:27 PM PST by Strutt9
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To: shrinkermd

Maybe we should encourage some of them to immigrate to the United States. Legally that is.


5 posted on 11/10/2006 4:58:00 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Strutt9

What year? My ancestors came over around 1850.


6 posted on 11/10/2006 4:58:55 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: radar101

My thought exactly.


7 posted on 11/10/2006 4:59:38 PM PST by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: dhs12345
... Legally that is.

undocumented Germans: doing the rocket science Americans won't do
8 posted on 11/10/2006 4:59:50 PM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: verum ago

LOL!


9 posted on 11/10/2006 5:00:27 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: shrinkermd

They're welcome here as long as they leave that pesky national socialism in the old country.


10 posted on 11/10/2006 5:00:38 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: shrinkermd

"... even academics in their mid-40s are already considered problem cases when it comes to job placement."

Well, I guess things over there aren't all bad.


11 posted on 11/10/2006 5:01:17 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: shrinkermd

URP!... excuse me...


12 posted on 11/10/2006 5:01:27 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: dhs12345

My German and Italian ancestors both arrived around 1890.


13 posted on 11/10/2006 5:01:40 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: radar101
Where the US is headed.

sad but true

14 posted on 11/10/2006 5:01:58 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: dhs12345

My maternal and paternal ancestors came over here from Germany in 1642 and 1682, respectively.


15 posted on 11/10/2006 5:02:17 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: dhs12345

Racism against Mexicans.

Oh no. Am I allowed to say Mexican anymore?


16 posted on 11/10/2006 5:02:30 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Chi-townChief

Likewise -- German and Swedes. Some of the first people to settle Denver.


17 posted on 11/10/2006 5:03:33 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Chi-townChief

...and as long as they leave the attitude that "America has a lack of culture" over there.

(BTW: I lived in Deutschland for 3 wonderful years: It was my 2nd favorite nation in the world.)


18 posted on 11/10/2006 5:03:44 PM PST by bannie
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To: radar101
Yeah, but we Americans don't run away from our problems, we dig in our heels and fight. At least we used to...

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

19 posted on 11/10/2006 5:04:56 PM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: MaxMax

No, they are referred to as North Americans, now. Mexico doesn't exist anymore. :)


20 posted on 11/10/2006 5:05:08 PM PST by dhs12345
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undocumented Germans: doing the rocket science Americans won't can't do...

Thank you, NEA.

21 posted on 11/10/2006 5:05:10 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: dhs12345

My husband came over in 1982. Just became an American Citizen March of 06 and Voted here for the first time this election... Straight Repub of course. I came to the States 1960. But not from Sweden. Korea. Been married 20 years... about time he took the oath.. Don't you think?


22 posted on 11/10/2006 5:07:25 PM PST by Strutt9
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To: shrinkermd

Yet Germany would rather focus on Rummy for not licking the sandals of Mohammed.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html


23 posted on 11/10/2006 5:07:44 PM PST by Screamname (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: shrinkermd
I see a ripe opportunity for a Abduela Mohamad Hitler to rise to power. Its all the Jeeeeews fault will be the next mantra.
24 posted on 11/10/2006 5:07:44 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: dhs12345

"My ancestors came over around 1850.
Mine, also. The story I heard is that it was the potato famine which affected lots of europe, not just Ireland.


25 posted on 11/10/2006 5:07:54 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: shrinkermd

First I read about the Dutch, now the Germans. If you folks are coming here, don't bring your crappy ideas that ruined your countries.


26 posted on 11/10/2006 5:07:58 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Wow!


27 posted on 11/10/2006 5:08:27 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: shrinkermd
I remember thinking during the last election between Angela Merkel and Gerhard Schroeder how similar their lifestyles were.

Merkel had one previous marriage and no children. Schroeder had 3 previous marriages with no children but when he remarried the fourth time (1997 or 1998?) he adopted two and his new wife had one. Essentially, both were narrowly oriented boomer careerists who represented their respective political parties.
28 posted on 11/10/2006 5:09:21 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Paging Mel Brooks...
29 posted on 11/10/2006 5:09:38 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: shrinkermd
Sounds suspiciously like the Weimar Republic that stabbed Germany in the back to end World War I...perhaps after a period of unrest, marked by riot and inflation, a strong, charismatic leader will arise to smash these Musl...oh, sorry, I think that scenario is a bit too familiar.
30 posted on 11/10/2006 5:11:45 PM PST by meandog (This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it!)
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To: Strutt9
Congratulations!

Both, becoming American citizens and your marriage of 20 years.

Make sure that you document your ancestry. Makes it a lot easier for future generations to trace back to Korea and Sweden.
31 posted on 11/10/2006 5:14:02 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: shrinkermd

This is how the seeds of war are planted.

And this is not just happening in Germany. Add France and Russia to this list.


32 posted on 11/10/2006 5:17:33 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: dynachrome
"The story I heard is that it was the potato famine which affected lots of europe, not just Ireland."

The introduction of the potato to Europe caused a population explosion...the potato fungus had the opposite effect. The potato is from Peru and there are over 2,000 types there.
If the Europeans had picked more than one type of potato, the famine wouldn't have been so severe. Other types of potatos in Peru weren't sensative to the fungus.

33 posted on 11/10/2006 5:17:35 PM PST by blam
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To: Strutt9

NOTE: For the last couple of hundred years there have probably been more people of Swedish descent (in whole or part) in the US than in Sweden. It got worse in the mid 1800s of course.


34 posted on 11/10/2006 5:18:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: shrinkermd
That is why they want to leave -- as fast as they can, in fact -- and move to places where they believe there is hope for a better future. One of those places is the Third World -- India, to be more precise. René Seifert, 35, still raves about Bangalore, India's booming metropolis, where young computer programmers spend their nights crowding into the city's dance clubs and where, during the days, cars share the streets with rickshaws and cows. And where, despite the seeming chaos, every thing has its place. "I'm fascinated by the pulse of Asia, the upbeat prevailing mood and the wealth of opportunities," he raves.

Shows what capitalism can do - if it can revive India's economy after decades of crippling Socialist policy, just imagine what it could do for Germany.
35 posted on 11/10/2006 5:19:45 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: dhs12345

Well thank you. I can't trace my ancestory... they are all dead.. (Korean war). But my husband can and I can say with all honesty... I truly have the most wonderful in-laws.


36 posted on 11/10/2006 5:19:46 PM PST by Strutt9
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To: Chi-townChief

Doesn’t matter, they would be coming to the soon-to-be, US of Americamexicostan, anyway.


37 posted on 11/10/2006 5:22:12 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Right Wing Assault

You mean like, an Aryan race and the yoooss are the problem of all wars, we don't want that kind of c@%$


38 posted on 11/10/2006 5:22:18 PM PST by BlueJ7
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To: muawiyah

"NOTE: For the last couple of hundred years there have probably been more people of Swedish descent (in whole or part) in the US than in Sweden. It got worse in the mid 1800s of course."


39 posted on 11/10/2006 5:23:19 PM PST by Strutt9
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To: dhs12345
Yep, my mom's ancestor was a soldier from Saxony serving in Gustavus Adolphus's army who came over to protect New Sweden but ended up getting co-opted by the Dutch and then the English.

My dad's ancestor was a Mennonite who got the heck out of heavily Catholic southern Germany because of religious persecution and ended up in Germantown, Pennsylvania.

I only found this stuff out last year and was floored by it all. It's really cool knowing that both sides of my family were here almost at the beginning of the colonization period:)

40 posted on 11/10/2006 5:23:40 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Right Wing Assault

Oh, they most certainly WILL be bringing their socialist poison mentality with them. I was stationed in Germany for almost 7 years, and socialistic thought is so ingrained in the German consciousness that it is literally second nature. I wouldn't expect that to change all that much if a large number came here, even if it was because that very mentality caused their exodus in the first place.


41 posted on 11/10/2006 5:24:07 PM PST by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: Strutt9
Same thing happen in Sweden. More Swedes here in the U.S. than Sweden. My husband is one of Swedes.

Sweden was overrun with Muslims. That's what killed Sweden. Other nordic countries are paying very close attention now.

42 posted on 11/10/2006 5:24:33 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Ukiapah Heep

"Das ist immer alles Aulung und ist rauch mit and potzen
Volkswagen und niemann stint und "Swell Pizza!!""


43 posted on 11/10/2006 5:25:43 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: MaDuce

It will happen, if not Germany most likely France. Already the Muslim population in France is 20% and already there are calls by them for Sharia law. Obviously no threat now, but this liberal path the world has chosen if continued will eventually 100% give these psychopaths the same direct route to power that brought Hitler and Nazism to absolute control. All it takes is the spread of fear. Fear is control. People afraid to speak out or rebel for fear that someone may be listening. When it is too late, which is only a short time away, who is going to help if the US retreats from Iraq? Remember, Nazism practically overtook the entire European continent with only a fraction of what the radical Islamic followers have now. This sh8t is no joke. There are billions of Muslims in this world right now, and if even a fraction of them are radical, that is a 10`s of millions if not 100`s of millions of them! No army on earth will be able to stand up to that. What this world has to do is join together, otherwise it is checkmate, game over man. These pricks are a true cancer on humanity and this is the message that has to be spread at all costs. Bush, Blair have tried it, but you get these damn liberal pricks who continually swat it down.

Read this thread I posted today, it`s about an email that`s been going around for some time...The email is loooong winded, but if you take the time to read it, everything that is going on today is explained in detail like you can`t believe, and I believe every last word of it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1736476/posts


44 posted on 11/10/2006 5:26:55 PM PST by Screamname (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: BlueJ7
You mean like, an Aryan race and the yoooss are the problem of all wars, we don't want that kind of c@%$

Imagine the irony. If a 4th Reich emerges, it will because of all the muslims, who actually hate the jews.

45 posted on 11/10/2006 5:27:00 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Oh for sure... Sweden is certainly have trouble with the Muslim population. More rapes and theft now more than ever. I worry about my in-laws, but they say they are safe.. wish they would move here permanently, but they won't.


46 posted on 11/10/2006 5:27:43 PM PST by Strutt9
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To: shrinkermd

RAMADANFEST!!


47 posted on 11/10/2006 5:27:53 PM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: shrinkermd
Meanwhile their government tries to prosecute Rummy and co.

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns...

48 posted on 11/10/2006 5:28:00 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Strutt9

My maternal grandparents came from Germany, my paternal great-grandparents from Sweden. I have a sister-in-law who came from Cambodia (as a baby) after her father was murdered for being an educator, and another sister-in-law whose family came here from Ukraine due to being persecuted for being Christians. They all came to America and became U.S. citizens for better opportunites and survival, and I'm so grateful they did!


49 posted on 11/10/2006 5:32:56 PM PST by MonicaG (Mathew 6:25-33)
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To: blam

Potato thread ping!


50 posted on 11/10/2006 5:42:56 PM PST by karnage
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