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Neoconservatives decry execution of Iraq war
CNN ^ | 4 November 2006

Posted on 11/03/2006 11:34:40 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A leading conservative proponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq now says dysfunction within the Bush administration has turned U.S. policy there into a disaster.

Richard Perle, who chaired a committee of Pentagon policy advisers early in the Bush administration, said had he seen at the start of the war in 2003 where it would go, he probably would not have advocated an invasion to depose Saddam Hussein. Perle was an assistant secretary of defense under President Reagan.

"I probably would have said, 'Let's consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists,'" he told Vanity Fair magazine in its upcoming January issue.

Asked about the article, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said, "We appreciate the Monday-morning quarterbacking, but the president has a plan to succeed in Iraq, and we are going forward with it."

Other prominent conservatives criticized the administration's conduct of the war in the article, including Kenneth Adelman, who also served on the Defense Policy Board that informally advised President Bush. Adelman said he was "crushed" by the performance of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Adelman also said that neoconservatism, "the idea of using our power for moral good in the world," has been discredited with the public. After Iraq, he told Vanity Fair, "it's not going to sell."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: georgewbush; iraq; neocons; richardperle
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Bloody sensational timing... :-(
1 posted on 11/03/2006 11:34:41 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

Which sunday morning shows are these jokers going to be on?


2 posted on 11/03/2006 11:36:25 PM PST by linn37
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To: linn37

I'm bettin' ALL of them!


3 posted on 11/03/2006 11:37:10 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Bloody tiring is more like it. :(


4 posted on 11/03/2006 11:40:12 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Neo Culpa (Perle and Adleman on Iraq)
5 posted on 11/03/2006 11:41:37 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Aussie Dasher

Well, sure. It's the anti-American media against Rummy blitz.


6 posted on 11/03/2006 11:42:13 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The article read that Perle "had he seen at the start of the war in 2003 where it would go, he probably would not have advocated an invasion to depose Saddam Hussein..."

Analytical, think-tank guys like Perle think and live in abstractions, I would imagine, sort of like a sanitized chessboard world with pieces made of snowflake-delicate crystal. Unfortunately for guys like Perle, war is a messy, complicated business even when the outcome is never in doubt. War is blood and death and fire. It takes nerve to stare in the face of this particular beast, and what we are seeing now is a failure of nerve on the part of many of the players and decision-makers. No new news here. President Lincoln, for example, was surrounded at times by defeatists and second-guessers and second-raters. The only reassuring aspect to the whole article is that Perle is a former staffer. War has a way of winnowing out the weak among the leadership. Consider him winnowed.
7 posted on 11/03/2006 11:54:48 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Aussie Dasher
Adelman also said that neoconservatism, "the idea of using our power for moral good in the world," has been discredited with the public. After Iraq, he told Vanity Fair, "it's not going to sell."

Rats jumping off a sinking ship, so much for loyalty. Somebody should tell these "neoconservatives" that nation building never was a tenet of what constitutes conservative foreign policy, and it wasn't just the implementation that was flawed, but the policy itself. I wonder which one of these idiots thought forcing democracy upon a bunch of culturally backward and volatile Islamic societies was such a bright idea? Critisizing the administration now for their implementing the very policies they were clamoring for before shows a total lack of integrity and character, and an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their misguided vision they were vigorously promoting. Richard Perle can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

8 posted on 11/04/2006 12:05:02 AM PST by yuta250
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Rats jumping off a sinking ship, so much for loyalty...Critisizing the administration now for their implementing the very policies they were clamoring for before shows a total lack of integrity and character, and an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their misguided vision they were vigorously promoting.





In Washington? Say it ain't so!


9 posted on 11/04/2006 12:10:08 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Perle didn't say it was a "foreign policy disaster'. CNN said he said it.


10 posted on 11/04/2006 1:00:57 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Aussie Dasher
From DUmmyland yesterday about NYT/Iraq Nuclear:

This is the handiwork of the PNAC'ers, Office of Special Plans and stovepipers, with GOP accomplices in Congress.
11 posted on 11/04/2006 1:08:21 AM PST by John Lenin ( Mr. Stoller concludes that "Democratic Senators are moral lepers, and weaklings")
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To: Rembrandt_fan

failure of nerve is different from criticism

it is possible to support the war while thinking the Wh's strategy leaves a bit to be desired

Bush is not some infallible leader(as seen by his stance on immigration, spending and entitlemeents, the Harriet Miers fiasco, signing McCain-Feingold, not firing the dems in the state dept and CIA, his backdown over Fallujah I, surrendering to the EU on Iran, having his SecState openly call for a Palestinian state and saying that it would be the US' greatest legacy, and countless other things)

If he could make so many mistakes choose wrong strategies on all of those issues(and he's been skewered on FR for all of them), why is it so hard to accept that he may have made some mistakes or wrong choices on Iraq?

It's possible to support Bush and the GOP and criticize how they're running the occupation/war. It doesn't mean you're a liberal or a defeatist

I'd think if you went back on FR from Nov 2002-Mar 2003 and read the posts, very few predicted what is happening now or if they did, showed their support by it. If you had posted back then that 3 and a half years on we'd be where we are, most would have had a problem with it.

And not that this is dispositive, but if all this was happening in Iraq and Bill Clinton was C-in-C, the GOP and Conservatives would be all over his disasatrous leadership.

Criticizing Bush and trying to implement a better strategy is not defeatism.

In WW2 Germany, a lot of guys were in thrall with Hitler and just blindly followed him even when he was making catastrophic strategic blunders. Guys like Rommel, Guderian and others recognized this, but no one listened and just called them traitors or defeatists and cheered when the Fuehrer fired them or had them killed. We all know where blind faith and unwavering allegiance to one guy or one strategy got Germany.

I'm in no way saying Bush is Hitler, but the principle of unquestioned leadership and suppresion of dissent or questioning of strategy/tactics applies.

Lincoln had to fire McClellan before he got Grant

Johnson and Nixon had problems with Westmoreland and McNamara before they put Abrams and Laird in and started turning things around

Truman canned Mark Clark in Korea before he brought in McArthur to save the day in Inchon and turn things around.

If Bush needs to fire Rumseld, or cashier Abizaid or Casey, and get someone who has a better plan or strategy calling for that isn't defeatism, that's leadership.

Leadership requires the ability to adapt and recognize when a new approach is needed.

I think even Bush, Rumsfeld, the Pentagon and the GOP in Congress recognize by this point that something has to change and that things aren't exactly going to plan. Even Bush's consigliere Baker is calling for a new strategy and even pulling a Yalta with Iran and Syria(I hope Bush rejects that!)

But Perle, Adelman and other neo-cons are probably right to ask what's gone wrongm why it's happened, and what it means.

Adelman is right in that any hopes of doing anything to Iran, Syria or any other terrorists is finished.

If you had said in 2003 that by 2007 we'd still be Iraq, 100+ deaths in a month, thousands more Iraqis dead in a month, a pro_Iranian leader in charge of a weak govt in Baghdad, Iran and Syria openly supporting attacks against us, hundreds of billions spent each year, and Iran, Syria and other terrorist leaders and groups remaining unscathed, very few would have believed you and the rest would have been horrified at the thought.


12 posted on 11/04/2006 1:34:16 AM PST by jeltz25
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But Perle, Adelman and other neo-cons are probably right to ask what's gone wrongm why it's happened, and what it means.

I think it's certainly okay to question certain decisions that have been made pertaining to the war, but what I object to is characterizing the whole war as something that has 'gone wrong'. I think this kind of thinking comes about because our media refuses to show the American people all the things that have gone right in this war.

13 posted on 11/04/2006 2:05:40 AM PST by Elyse
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To: jeltz25

I am glad you brought up WW2. Can you even imagine a candidate running for office in 1943 or 1944 on the position that "we should get our troops out of Europe (or Asia) by Christmas?" Can you even imagine it? I am sure it would have so offended the sensibilities of our grandparents they would have been enraged.

So what happened in the interval? When did the NYTimes turn against us? I suppose with the NYTImes they were on our side in WW2 because Stalin was on the same side at the time...


14 posted on 11/04/2006 2:38:19 AM PST by wastoute
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To: jeltz25
Lend it to the MSM to give credibility to Perle, only hated more than Rummy or Wolfie at the Pentagon. the attempt to divide and conquer is #3 in the Rat playbook.
15 posted on 11/04/2006 2:46:33 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: wastoute

WWII was a different type of war.


16 posted on 11/04/2006 2:48:14 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: jeltz25
You mean war doesn't go as planned.

Who would have ever thought such a thing?

Great time to be criticizing the administration. Sure to give aid and comfort to the enemy. Not that you intended to do use your comments in the hope of suppressing the republican vote?????? That couldn't be it, could it!

17 posted on 11/04/2006 3:14:43 AM PST by OldFriend (JOHN F. KERRY, BETRAYING OUR TROOPS AGAIN)
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To: jeltz25

Perle is embittered because he was tricked by his darling Chalabi,who he put all his bets on. Perle was right about going to war back then, but always wrong on Chalabi.
Seing Perle now speaking like a Democrat isn't surprising at all... He IS a card-carrying Democrat. A Democrat with strong Foreign Policy opinions. Nothing else. Like Lieberman. (At least the latter shows loyalty and stands to his decisions).


18 posted on 11/04/2006 3:29:21 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: Aussie Dasher
Neoconservatism is not a crime.
19 posted on 11/04/2006 3:31:32 AM PST by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: Pro-Bush

Treachery on the eve of an election most certainly is!


20 posted on 11/04/2006 3:39:58 AM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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