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Kerry Channeling Bob Dylan: 'Join The Army If You Fail'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 10/31/2006 11:27:15 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

When John Kerry, child of the 60s, slurred the military with his comment, reported here by NewsBuster Warner Todd Huston, that people who who don't study wind up 'stuck in Iraq,' he was channeling Bob Dylan and the anti-war activist's 1967 song Subterranean Homesick Blues, which includes this line

"Get jailed, jump bail
"Join the army, if you fail."

It's the same song that contains the famous line "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows," from which the domestic terrorist group took its name.

Hey John, Don't Think Twice - it's not alright.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobdylan; iraq; johnkerry; stupid

1 posted on 10/31/2006 11:27:16 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Subterranean Kerry ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 10/31/2006 11:28:09 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It's a hard raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin's a gonna fall.


3 posted on 10/31/2006 11:29:49 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (JOHN KERRY and HARRY REID must RESIGN IMMEDIATELY to rid our nation of the CULTURE OF CONTEMPT)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

John Kerry and Bill Clinton discuss Kerry's latest brainfart:

"'There must be some way out of here'
"Said the joker to the thief..."


4 posted on 10/31/2006 11:29:59 AM PST by RichInOC (Kerry 2008: "Sometimes...dead is bettah.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Only difference is Bob sang it tongue in cheek. His dream was to go to Westpoint.


5 posted on 10/31/2006 11:32:30 AM PST by pissant
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To: RichInOC

6 posted on 10/31/2006 11:32:37 AM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Mark, the song was written in 1964, not 67 and its not antiwar. Don't lump Dylan in with this cretin.


7 posted on 10/31/2006 11:33:39 AM PST by pissant
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

American soldier to Kerry:

"You've got a lot of nerve,
To say you are my friend,
When I was down,
You just stood there grinning.

You've got a lot of nerve,
To say you've got a helping hand to lend,
You just want to be on the side that's winning."


8 posted on 10/31/2006 11:33:42 AM PST by Huck (There is a $2.00 service charge for this tagline---do you still wish to proceed?)
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To: RichInOC
Here's the obvious one if you're going to bring Dylan into it. The last refrain of POSITIVELY 4th STREET!

I know you're dissatisfied
With your position and your place
Don't you understand
It's not my problem

I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you

9 posted on 10/31/2006 11:33:44 AM PST by Hildy (Some are born to sweet delight; some are born to endless night.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
1967 song Subterranean Homesick Blues,

That tune was from '65, not '67. .....the opening tune on Bringing It All Back Home

....and it marked the very end of Dylan's "anti-war" period.

10 posted on 10/31/2006 11:35:45 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Hildy
Oh, that's good. That's very good.
11 posted on 10/31/2006 11:35:48 AM PST by RichInOC (Kerry 2008: "Sometimes...dead is bettah.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

More to the point: "If you are stupid, become a US Senator."


12 posted on 10/31/2006 11:36:22 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Here''s one for you:

"sometimes Satan comes as a man of Peace"

From Man of Peace, Infidels - 1983


13 posted on 10/31/2006 11:36:44 AM PST by pissant
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To: Cobra64

LoL...


14 posted on 10/31/2006 11:37:08 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Great article, but why did you post a picture of Vincent Price in a cowboy hat to illustrate it?





;-)


15 posted on 10/31/2006 11:37:47 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I'm responding more to Kerry's comment. I personally believe he is a pompous ass or better described as a phony upper class intellectual (of which we know he isn't). I know several young men who are in the service and what I have observed is that they are earning college credits; they are mature; they have learned self control; they are loyal and dedicated. I can't say that about some of our narcissistic legislators who only want power and control.

Kerry is now trying to turn his statement into a "botched joke" about the President and the Whitehouse distortion. His comment: "this is a textbook Republican strategy and I'm not going to stand for it". Kerry is stupid. Kerry needs to be driven out of his job!!!!


16 posted on 10/31/2006 11:38:54 AM PST by jcmfreedom
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thanks for the correction on the date but I stand by the characterization of the song as anti-war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_Homesick_Blues

It was a counter-culture classic, and did indeed give the terrorist Weathermen their name.


17 posted on 10/31/2006 11:39:21 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Sorry to join the chorus, but Dylan was not an anti-war activist. In fact, he was vilified for releasing "Nashville Skyline" at the height of the Vietnam protests.


18 posted on 10/31/2006 11:40:26 AM PST by RedRover (Proud pinger of sinister political forces.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

As I write this, Lurch is on doing his outraged act. To wit, he wasn't criticizing the troops, but the President and we all should have known it. What is the matter with us!?! Are we stupid? Didn't we get what he really meant. And those of us who have NEVER worn the uniform don't dare have the right to criticize John Kerry (who is for the war, but now against it) and is a REAL veteran, not a fake one.

Ladies and gentlemen, its groundhog's day. John F'n Kerry is out there re-running his 2004 campaign. I can't wait for John O'Neil and the boys to slam him again. They did serve and they do have something to say to John F'n.

This guy is amazing, simply priceless. I love you John Kerry, keep giving the gift of you.


19 posted on 10/31/2006 11:42:21 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Johnnys in the basement
Mixing up the medicine
Im on the pavement
Thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat
Badge out, laid off
Says hes got a bad cough
Wants to get it paid off
Look out kid
Its somethin you did
God knows when
But youre doin it again
You better duck down the alley way
Lookin for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap
In the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten

Maggie comes fleet foot
Face full of black soot
Talkin that the heat put
Plants in the bed but
The phones tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early may
Orders from the d. a.
Look out kid
Dont matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Dont try no doz
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You dont need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

Get sick, get well
Hang around a ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell
If anything is goin to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid
Youre gonna get hit
But losers, cheaters
Six-time users
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin for a new fool
Dont follow leaders
Watch the parkin meters

Ah get born, keep warm
Short pants, romance, learn to dance
Get dressed, get blessed
Try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts
Dont steal, dont lift
Twenty years of schoolin
And they put you on the day shift
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
Dont wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
Dont wanna be a bum
You better chew gum
The pump dont work
cause the vandals took the handles
20 posted on 10/31/2006 11:44:31 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The Weatherman stealing a word from the line "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" to use as their name certainly doesn't equate to Dylan even remotely endorsing their treasonous activities.

....and he didn't. In fact, by the mid-60s, Bob grew to despise the entire folkie/hippie/protest movement.

21 posted on 10/31/2006 11:48:12 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

I agree that he is not responsible for Weathermen, but he was surely an anti-war activist.


22 posted on 10/31/2006 11:50:09 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Kerry calls our brave soldiers stupid uneducated failures and now he's realized what a hugh goof up that was so he needs now to blame the white house and especailly blame cancer survivor tony snow. Doesn't kerry respect cancer survivors?


23 posted on 10/31/2006 11:50:41 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
but he was surely an anti-war activist.

Only in his very early ('61 - '64) days. ....which, incidentally, was before our (military) involvment in the Vietnam War.

24 posted on 10/31/2006 11:52:38 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: pissant

"Mark, the song was written in 1964, not 67 and its not antiwar. Don't lump Dylan in with this cretin."

Indeed. It was common for a judge to give a young person the option of service or jail if he got in trouble. That's how I always took the song.


25 posted on 10/31/2006 11:54:32 AM PST by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I've gone back and changed the original NewsBusters item to remove the word 'activist.' There's no doubt Dylan was strongly 'anti-war,' and having lived during those times myself I can say that, whatever the specifics of his personal views, he was viewed by millions as an anti-war, counter-culture icon.

I'm sure Kerry heard the song countless times, and I'm guessing he accepted its message.


26 posted on 10/31/2006 11:56:50 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: pissant
Mark, the song was written in 1964, not 67 and its not antiwar. Don't lump Dylan in with this cretin...

thank you!

and da resta youse - don't nobody say nuthin' bad about my man, Mr. Dylan...

27 posted on 10/31/2006 12:02:15 PM PST by martin gibson ("I care not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Kerry has no idea as to the quality and caliber of our men and women in uniform today and the leadership qualities they possess. If Kerry was in uniform today, he would be rejected as inadequate and have to go to college.


28 posted on 10/31/2006 12:02:21 PM PST by caisson71
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
he was viewed by millions as an anti-war, counter-culture icon.

He was indeed. ....but as I mentioned it was because of the songs he wrote (and the company he kept) before our combat involvement in Vietnam. By '65 he'd had it with the whole scene broke company with the activist types.

....but unfortunately his former image lingered on. .....to this day, apparently.

29 posted on 10/31/2006 12:02:49 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Cobra64

The Double K guys....both have been stuck on
stupid for at least 6 years....although you can go
back much further...how about '68 (Kennedy(death) car in
the drink?)..or '70..Kerry lying about the Vietnam war
and our troops...Jake


30 posted on 10/31/2006 12:04:30 PM PST by sanjacjake
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thanks for additional clarifications.


31 posted on 10/31/2006 12:05:42 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

When John Kerry speaks, people listen!

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32 posted on 10/31/2006 12:13:07 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: L98Fiero

It was common for a judge to give a young person the option of service or jail..." Yep. That's how my cousin joined the Navy and became a Chief.


33 posted on 10/31/2006 12:23:32 PM PST by joylyn
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Bob never once said he was anti war. He was asked many times. He never condemned the war.

the publics perception of him was fueled by some early "protest" songs and the MSM of the time. He loathed hippies. Still does.


34 posted on 10/31/2006 12:31:42 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

I actually have Sub. Homesick Blues on my iPod, and Isis from later years is another favorite of mine.


35 posted on 10/31/2006 12:46:32 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I knew you were alright.


36 posted on 10/31/2006 12:48:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Get jailed, jump bail
"Join the army, if you fail."

Seems to me, the "if you fail" part refers to failing to jump bail successfully, then you're given to old "go to jail, or got to the service" choice which judges used to offer guys all the time.
37 posted on 10/31/2006 12:51:07 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

here for dylan/cash/perkins session mp3s

http://aquariumdrunk.blogspot.com/2006/03/lost-album-series-dylancash-sessions.html


38 posted on 10/31/2006 12:55:49 PM PST by martin gibson ("I care not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
having lived during those times myself

Holy Smokes, Mark! From your picture, I thought you were in youre late twenties!

39 posted on 10/31/2006 1:33:13 PM PST by Inspectorette (having lived during those times myself)
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To: Inspectorette

Not sure quite which pic - it could be a couple years old -but I will pass your compliment along to my very youthful looking mother!


40 posted on 10/31/2006 1:36:10 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

You are right about Dylan's anti war stage. Dylan was anti war when war meant a total nuclear exchange with the Soviets. The Cuban Missile Crisis scared hell out of him as well as any other reasoning being on the planet.

Just ask that stupid bi*ch Baez how anti Vietnam Dylan was.

It is really a shame that with 40 plus years of great work most people only know him for 5% of his songs.


41 posted on 10/31/2006 5:00:50 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Hildy
I often don't agree with you Hildy, but as we say in Michigan, "You done real good" on that find.

From what I can tell, Dylan isn't a bad guy at all. Questioning war is a smart thing to do - war is a man-made disaster, even in the best, most justified cases. It's giving the wrong answer for that question for that particular war that makes one stupid.

42 posted on 10/31/2006 5:08:56 PM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: pissant

This is an interesting Dylan story that I read on www.rightwingbob.com yesterday. Go there and you will see the actual note from Dylan to a soldier serving in Iraq in the first Gulf War.

Doug MacKenzie was in the US Air Force, deployed to the Saudi Arabian desert during the first War in Iraq in 1990/91. He was assigned to a group of transport planes, where he worked as an engine technician. Being a Bob Dylan fan and the brother of Guy MacKenzie, who was closely involved with Dylan from 1961 to 1963, he suggested to paint "Masters of War" under one airplane's "nose art". As Doug recalls, it was just a spontaneos idea of black humour, but it turned out to make a big impression:
"At some point during the conflict, authorization came down from above allowing 'nose art' on the planes, as an homage to the brave airmen of WWII. We had a captain in our unit who was a talented artist and he began painting the planes in our group. On mine, he painted a silhouette of a dark knight on a black horse, both with red eyes. As he was painting it, I suggested he title it by painting, in swooping letters under it, "Masters of War". I told the captain it was the title of Dylan's bombastic indictment of the military/industrial complex. He thought that was great, so he painted it on my plane. I thought it was pretty good black humor, so I wrote to my brother and told him about it. He wrote back, suggesting I write to Dylan and tell him about it. He included Dylan's address (don't know how he got that). So, I did."
Guy and Bob may have still been corresponding with one another, anyway he still had Bob's current address, after 30 years. Doug gave it a try and wrote a letter. Nobody could really have expected any response to it in the first place, and Doug probably didn't even think of it any longer as one of the clerks in his hangar asked if he'd gotten his postcard. Six months after Doug had returned from the war, and eight month after he'd written to Bob Dylan, he actually received his personal response:
"The post mark was from Italy. I started reading the post card...'Dear Doug, Excuse the post card, that's all there is to write on right now. Thank you for the letter describing my song on your airplane. Good luck wherever you go, G-d's guidance will never let you down - Stay in good health and thanks again for writing. Bob Dylan'.- Needless to say, I was bowled over. I know it wasn't a hoax as I told no one about my letter to Dylan (except my brother). I know no one in Italy. And I've seen Dylan's handwriting before. So, I know it's genuine."
After thanking Bob for his reply, Doug received yet another letter, this time on plain lined paper: "Dear Doug, Thanks for writing back. I'm glad to hear you finally made it safely home. The world isn't very safe anymore. We owe a lot to people like you, who put themselves in harm's way for their fellow countrymen. Thanks again for writing. Yours, Bob Dylan"
I, Mike Hobo, editor of this website, would like to express a very honest thank you to Doug MacKenzie for sharing this very personal story with us. He informed me that he had "only told close friends about this, and shown them the documents," and "I had occasion to write him one more time, and again received a reply. So, I'm sure he remembers my brother. My brother is also like Dylan in that he has a magnetic aura about him. He makes a big and lasting impact on people. So, I can see why Dylan would remember him."


43 posted on 11/03/2006 6:22:12 PM PST by Tweeker
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