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Posted on 10/26/2006 11:12:38 PM PDT by MarMema
"Russia reminds me of a man who has been charmed by a newly-built house of his neighbor," said Georgian political expert and physiologist Ramaz Sakvarelidze, speaking with GT. "And instead of constructing a similar one for himself, he decides to set fire to his neighbor's house. In this case, Russia seems to be planning to set fire to Georgian statehood."
Following Western-oriented Saakashvili's rise to power in 2004, political experts have concluded on many occasions that Georgia's relationship with Russia has reached an all time low. Never before has this been truer than now. Xenophobia, ethnic cleansing, racial discrimination, and chauvinist hysteria this is an incomplete list of recent Georgian interpretations of what is currently going on in its neighboring Russia, who it once termed big brother.
Russia claims to have around 1,000,000 Georgians residing on its soil as foreign workers and only 197,934 holding Russian citizenship. Many of them, having escaped the hard social atmosphere of the Soviet collapse during the 1990s, were arrested and deported back to Georgia after the arrest of four Russians for espionage charges on September 27 which entailed a political crisis between the two neighbors. By now, according to a statement on October 20, by the U.S. mission to the OSCE about 400 Georgians have been expelled from Russia and another 300 face deportation. A 48 year old Georgian citizen, Tengiz Togonidze died of an asthma attack on October 17 in the Domodedovo airport in Moscow before being deported along with 149 other Georgians.
A Russian survey shows the majority of Russians approve of Moscows sanctions towards Georgia. 40% of respondents in Russia said measures undertaken by the Russian authorities against Georgia and its citizens are "adequate and effective," while 27% of respondents considered the current measures as "not adequate" and only 13% think that measures are exaggerated. The Russian state-run All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) conducted this survey on October 14-15 among 1 600 respondents in 46 different districts throughout Russia (source: civil.ge news bulletin, October 20, 2006).
However, Georgians' long-time friendship with their Russian "brothers" has not been forgotten for good. On October 6, the Moscow-based Echo of Moscow radio station called for a protest against the policy towards ethnic Georgian immigrants, asking listeners to pin a badge with the words "I am Georgian" to their lapels. The appeal to the Russian nationals said: "They (Georgians) live with us and they should not be blamed if officials, politicians and the presidents of the two countries hate each other. If you do not want large-scale ethnic cleansing to be launched in Russia pin this badge (on) before coming out in the street."
There have been some Russians with more pragmatic motivation to protest the anti-Georgian sanctions. Mikhail Kasyanov, leader of the Russia's Peoples Democratic Union and former Prime Minister described informal sanctions against the Georgian people as "unworthy of the status of a Great Power.
We have to admit that Russia's first presidency in the G-8 would be marked not only by gas scandals, but also by chauvinist hysteria," he said on October 6.
Today many fail to find the right answer as to what drives a giant country of 143 million people to regard its southern neighbor with 4.5 million population and a newly-established place on the world map as the greatest danger to the national security after the United States. It is ironic also that when an opinion poll earlier this year asked Russians what the population of Georgia was, the majority of respondents guessed 30 million (source: www.opendemocracy.net). Considering its demographic concerns, Georgia would be more than happy if this were true but sadly, the only truth here might be that Russia is falling victim to its own propaganda.
As Georgian and foreign analysts focus mainly on the political roots of the confrontation, GT decided to seek psychological portrait of the row. Ramaz Sakvarelidze told GT: "It is significant that some Russians staged a protest action titled "I am Georgian." There are many Russians who love and respect Georgians. The aggression from those who are in charge of the anti-Georgian campaign in Russia can be seen as indicating that Russia sees Georgia as their No. 1 enemy. But the fact that Georgia can be considered such a rival for Russia should be taken as a compliment."
Sakvarelidze believes that there is a cultural aspect to these sanctions, which helps explain the Russian-Georgian standoff. The Russian paradox is that it dislikes those which are superior to it. Russia reminds me of a man who has been charmed by a newly-built house of his neighbor and instead of constructing a similar one himself, he decides to set fire to his neighbor's house. In this case, Russia seems to be planning to set fire to Georgian statehood, which, it thinks is better. Ours is more humane with better culture of human interaction, cheerful mood, the way to treat friends and beloved ones which, I have to say, the Russians have always been enchanted with. Russia has been both impressed and spiteful by all these traits as Russians had realised their incapability to be similar (to Georgians)."
The Georgian expert compared the Russian-Georgian situation with the one taking place in the 1930s, when Germany started to transform into a Fascist nation, as Germans began to feel inferior to the Israelis. The physiology of Fascism suggests Fascism is grounded on a subconscious recognition of one's superiority to the other. Fascism is starting to take hold in Russia," he concluded.
As to a political evaluation of the confrontation, Sakvarelidze says current developments are part of a wave which Russia has unleashed, not only against Georgia but also against the U.S and Europe: "Russia is infuriated at the reality that it is no longer a world power. We are just a part of the aggression designed for the U.S. Russia is nostalgic for their status as a world power. This policy will likely lead Russia to Fascism which on its part will lead it to share the fate of Fascist Germany Russia will fall apart."
What happened to the anti-Soros party in Georgia? Are they still around?
International testing commission has recognized Georgian mineral water as a best. 'Borjomi' has been awarded with golden medal and diploma.
The total number of participant brends in the contest held in Moscow was almost 60. Commission worked in a closed regime. 'Borjomi' got a first place.
The award ceremony has been carried out in Moscow today.
I'm going to Disney Landski!!!!
The Information Age will prevent this kind of mindless Commie state from taking hold over time.
With patience, all of the world will submit to the truth - America is the Land of the Free, and a beacon to all.
Is Putin scared of Georgia because of their free-market economy? He's scared that his fellow Russians will see the power of proper capitalism coupled with law and order, and what prosperity it can bring the common man?
>Hopefully their geography and stalwart national character
Self-proclaimed Georgian supremacy? :)
>such as Armenia,
Armenians are treated as second-class nation in Georgia, just like other nations.
Why should Armenia help such hostile neighbour, who is also in alliance with their enemy (Azerbajan)
Borjomi is nice water, no doubt. Problem with it is while it is good product, Georgia fails miserably in protecting it as trademark, and so Borjomi that comes to actual customer is not original.
Would they protect their own trademark, there will be no ban.
I have no problem here in America getting authentic Georgian wine and Borjomi.
>Would that Russians were not so intent on creating look-alike
First of all, i highly doubt that fake wines were made in Russia only, not in Georgia.
Then, whoever intents to create look-alike of any trademark, it is absolutely trademark holder's responsibility to protect trademark and customer. Georgians FAILED to do so, then it is their problem.
>I have no problem here in America getting authentic Georgian wine and Borjomi.
Georgian products has no market outside Georgia and CIS/Baltic states. Outside that only people like you care about supporting their economy, and even if you want to help them, it's just impossible to drink so much wine and borjomi, and stay alive.
Because they are likely to be the next item on the menu for Russia. I was suggesting an alliance, not a merger -- but if your attitude is common in those parts, I guess you will all have to resume life in the whale's belly.
As someone of Finnish, Irish and Jewish ancestry, I am hardly a Georgian supremacist, but I was mentioning those characteristics most likely to help the Georgians maintain independence.
This says it all.
Putin is guiding Russia into fascism through his actions.
They have both asked me to let them know about how to stock Nabeghlavi. One store is owned by a Ukrainian and the other by a Russian.
There are also Georgians living in this area.
"Russia's unprecedented crackdown on Georgia is being reflected on all residents of the South Caucasus. It is absurd to think that Armenia will stand next to Russia and against Georgia. Russians are mistaken thinking that Armenians morally owe them. Our relations with Russia must be equal, irrespective of our countries' size," Manukian said.
He said many elements of Georgia's foreign policy are not in Armenia's liking, but despite it 'we have lived with Georgians side by side for millennia and it is our destiny to continue to live as good neighbors.' Manukian said he was in favor of building close relations with NATO, but spoke against Armenia's membership in the Alliance. "We have to pursue a balanced policy with Russia, Iran and Turkey, but I do not think that we can be in the same military bloc with Turkey."
Armenians are all over Tbilisi. So are Armenian churches. I think we will see them going for NATO before long too.
Armenia, Georgia, lots of countries looking to Iran for heat this year. The word is out that Russia is a bully who cannot be trusted.
Look who it is!
" The leader of the United Communist Party of Armenia Yuri Manoukyan..."
"Yuri Manoukyan dreams of seeing the alliance of all communist parties."
Burjanadze thanks Czech Republic for its support
On October 26 Georgian Speaker of Parliament Nino Burjanadze thanked the Czech Republic for its support in Georgia's aspirations to join NATO when meeting with Prshemisl Sobotko, Chairman of Czech Senate.
"Your support occurred at a time of crucial importance for moving Georgia to the phase of Intensified Dialogue with NATO", Burjanadze stated. She also expressed her hopes that the Georgian-Czech relations would developed at both bilateral and multilateral international levels in the future.
Prshemisl Sobotka positively evaluated the aspiration of Georgia to join NATO. "The issue of the integration of Georgia into NATO depends to a large extent on democratic strengthening and economic upswing of Georgia", the Chairman of the Czech Senate stated.
Prshemisl Sobotka arrived in Georgia on October 25 with his spouse.
As part of his visit he held meetings with President Mikheil Saakashvili, Prime Minister Zurab Noghaideli, Foreign Minister Gela Bezhuashvili and his Beatitude Ilia Second, Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia.
The guests will also take part in celebrating the National Day of Czech Republic, to be marked on October 27 at Czech Embassy
Perhaps understandable, considering what happened 4 generations ago, but with even more recent reason, Israel has become more willing to work with Germany for what it perceives to be their common interests. Hopefully this attitude will bring and keep peace in the Caucuses.
"Russia reminds me of a man who has been charmed by a newly-built house of his neighbor," said Georgian political expert and physiologist Ramaz Sakvarelidze, speaking with GT. "And instead of constructing a similar one for himself, he decides to set fire to his neighbor's house. In this case, Russia seems to be planning to set fire to Georgian statehood." ==
Oh God:)).. They like to turn everything upside down.
It was Georgians not Russians who started 2 ethnic wars on Abkazians and Osetians in 1992.
It was Georgians who drove about 200 thounsands Russians from Georgia in 1990th.
It was Georgians not Russians who overflod the Russia with thier illegals and criminals.
It was Georgia who sucked up russian oil and gas on subcidized prices for 15 years and same time spit on Russia.
At last Russia decided to end all that and clean up her country off illegals.
So again disgranteled Georgians and thier liberal defenders (Marmema) began to whine about "fasism". It is same type of whining which happens in USA where the american liberals whining about "racism" when the country expel mexican illegals or taking them off dole..
Armenia, Georgia, lots of countries looking to Iran for heat this year. The word is out that Russia is a bully who cannot be trusted.==
But iranian president Akhmadimedzhad is trusted:))). It is amuzing that you say so.
Accually it means that the american and europian finance support given to Georgia will go directly to Iran! What a grimace of situation:).
Russians are mistaken thinking that Armenians morally owe them. ==
Russia saved thier asses in 17 century and recetly too. If not Russia we didn't have today neither Georgia nor Armenia. It would be all Azerbaijan or Turkey.
Indeed "your good deeds will come to bite you" - the russian proverb.
I'd say Russia should tell Turkey and Iran that Armenia and Georgia is for thier play. Russia won't move a finger to defend them in future. They are all ungrateful bums.
I'd say Georgia at least is not the least concerned about needing Russia for protection. There are a lot of US military in Georgia.
Using names that end as the names of Georgians do to find people to kick out.
Then there were the ones that were killed by the neonazi thugs, too.
I'd say Georgia at least is not the least concerned about needing Russia for protection. There are a lot of US military in Georgia.==
As I told you before, they just founded out the new master and discarded the old one.
But you as thier new master should to learn on Russia' mistakes.
Do not hope that they won't discard United States in some moment. Especcially if USA will stop the financial support or may become weaker then you'll see the choir of georgian voices how United States "oppessed them".
It is small dog which fawns to you to get fed then go fawn up to other one if its food is bigger or better.
Learn history of 17 century. Russia saved the entire existance of Georgians or Armenians as the ethnicities.
Now they show Russia thier "gratitude". See and notice. Someday America will be in place of Russia. I'm sure.
If America won't learn on russian mistakes then you will be even more stupid then Russia herself. Because Russia didn't know but you may learn on Russia' mistakes.
At last Russia decided to end all that and clean up her country off illegals.
Using names that end as the names of Georgians do to find people to kick out. ==
But what for America? Isn't that true that in America the authority for example TIA see the names in order to profile passangers as the possible threat?
Russia just uses same method to profile those who may be in country illegally. Th eprofiling isn't wrong. The worng will be if the immigrations will let the illegals go free.
Then there were the ones that were killed by the neonazi thugs, too.==
Who was killed? Give me example of trials with convictions? Didn't you hear about the "innocent until proven guilty"? Proven by court not by bla bla bla Of irresponsible jornalists.
Has Putin somehow hurt Saakashvili by antagonizing so many of his countrymen and then sending them home to support his defiance of Russia's barbarous thuggery? Won't you be happy when the Balts and other ex-Soviet nations expel Putin's Russian "compatriots" and send them back home to the loving arms of the Putinista Reich which needs their pure Russian blood to propagate the race?
> all Azerbaijan or Turkey.
If not Russia, there would be no Azerbaijan, there would be one huge Turkey.
>Using names that end as the names of Georgians do to find people to kick out.
Georgians kicked Russians, Armenians and many other nations out too, but you don't care, it's Russians who you hate, not some random nazi.
> barbarous thuggery?
Funny thing, "barbarous thuggery" is better associated with Georgian mafia.
In 1990s almost any Geogrian kid dreamed of not becoming teacher or worker, he dreamed of becoming "crowned thieve" in Russia.
Won't you be happy when the Balts and other ex-Soviet nations expel Putin's Russian "compatriots" and send them back home to the loving arms of the Putinista Reich which needs their pure Russian blood to propagate the race?==
If they expel illegals then yea. Second thought< Russians did never propagate blood only culture. Russians are enemy of multiculturism. It is only rebuke you can throw.
Anyways why then US immigrations expel mexican "compatriots" and send them back to the loving arms of Mexico' (who is rule there I don't know and inbterested).
Joe are you pro-illegals?
Yeah right, that's why Putin's said Russia is the best friend Islam ever had and closed down a newspaper for printing a cartoon of mohammed. Russia sided with Islam over the Danish Mohammed cartoons because Russia is a tolerant diverse multi-culti dhimmi.
If Russians refuse to take citizenship tests required by newly sovereign ex-Soviet Republics, then they are illegals by definition. They can go to Russia and speak all the Russian they want if they don't feel like learning the local language. If Mexicans don't want to speak English and renounce loyalty to Mexico they can go back home too.
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