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NBC's Baghdad Reporter: I'm A Pacifist, War Should Be Outlawed (What a Buffoon)
NewsBusters ^ | 10/26/2006 | Tim Graham

Posted on 10/26/2006 1:50:25 PM PDT by tobyhill

Thursday's Howard Kurtz profile of NBC Baghdad correspondent Richard Engel in the Washington Post has a real clash of perspectives. First, NBC anchor Brian Williams claimed Engel "is the most agenda-less person I've met in our business." Then Engel declared "I think war should be illegal...I'm basically a pacifist." The story included no critics of Engel's reporting, but praise from Williams and CBS colleague Lara Logan, and Engel's mother.

Williams asserted that Engel's reporting was fearless against annoying media critics: "In an era of instant media criticism, he calls balls and strikes in the middle of a war zone," says NBC anchor Brian Williams. "He is completely unbothered by any Web site that may have problems with his reporting while he's over in Iraq dodging bullets....He is the most agenda-less person I've met in our business, I think, in the past 20 years."

Does it sound a little like Williams is saying Internet media critics should shut up and go fight in Iraq before they can have an authoritative opinion? It's certainly easy for Engel to seem unbothered by critics in a Post story that never asks a media critic of any stripe for an opinion. Here's the context for Engel's declaration of pacifism:

Why does he stay? When NBC made Engel its Middle East bureau chief over the summer, he agreed to a new contract and moved to the relative calm of Beirut. Days later he found himself covering a fierce war between Israel and Hezbollah -- and was suddenly reenergized. This, for better or worse, is what he does. Not that Engel necessarily approves of military conflict.

"I think war should be illegal," he says. "I'm basically a pacifist."

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1 posted on 10/26/2006 1:50:26 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Kill him, he is in the way.


2 posted on 10/26/2006 1:53:35 PM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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I think war should be illegal...

When you figure out how to enforce that one without breaking the same law then I'm right there with ya buddy...really.

3 posted on 10/26/2006 1:54:47 PM PDT by Domandred
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To: tobyhill

War should be illegal. OK smart guy. If someone breaks the law your stupid ass wants, what do you do? Crawl away? Go cry to mommy? Wage war on them? Submoron.


4 posted on 10/26/2006 1:55:32 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: null and void; Timeout

We nicknamed him Pretty Chicken during the invasion ....we seem to have picked the right one.


5 posted on 10/26/2006 1:56:15 PM PDT by Dog
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To: tobyhill

We can then assume he would have allowed the Axis to rampage unfettered during WW2, yes?


6 posted on 10/26/2006 1:56:51 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: satchmodog9

Take the them to the International Courts and let them die of old age.


7 posted on 10/26/2006 1:57:35 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
I think war should be illegal...I'm basically a pacifist.

I'M a pacifist. Mr. Engel is a 'surrenderist'.

8 posted on 10/26/2006 1:57:59 PM PDT by Grut
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To: threeleftsmakearight

Talk about bias! NBC should move him out of there yesterday.


9 posted on 10/26/2006 1:58:06 PM PDT by Creightongrad
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To: tobyhill

10 posted on 10/26/2006 1:58:25 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: tobyhill
While he's at it, gravity should be illegal too.

Anyone who has seen the horror of tripping and falling as I have would know that it is time to end the madness.

11 posted on 10/26/2006 1:58:31 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: threeleftsmakearight

Naaaaahhhhhh, he'da hauled their butts into court!


12 posted on 10/26/2006 1:58:40 PM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: boomop1
If war is illegal and we catch someone committing war how are we to punish them...promise them tribute?

Sometimes this World is stranger than I think it strange.

13 posted on 10/26/2006 1:59:07 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: tobyhill
I think war should be illegal

All joking aside, that sentence is a contender for "Stupidest Statement In The History Of The World".

14 posted on 10/26/2006 1:59:18 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: tobyhill

"I think war should be illegal"
OK...you surrender first.


15 posted on 10/26/2006 1:59:18 PM PDT by gb63
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To: wideawake

16 posted on 10/26/2006 1:59:32 PM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: threeleftsmakearight
We can then assume he would have allowed the Axis to rampage unfettered during WW2, yes?

No, silly. You send a sheriff with a subpoena from the League of Nations to the principals (Messrs. Hitler et al) and their lawyers (if they have representation).
17 posted on 10/26/2006 1:59:33 PM PDT by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dog

Yep.


18 posted on 10/26/2006 1:59:44 PM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: tobyhill
"...and Engel's mother."

"He was always such a clever little boy, perfect in every way..."

19 posted on 10/26/2006 2:00:44 PM PDT by THX 1138
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To: tobyhill

OK, Bin Laddie called it all,,,,didn't he????????


20 posted on 10/26/2006 2:01:31 PM PDT by Waco
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To: tobyhill
"I think war should be illegal," he says.

Exactly how would he enforce this law?

21 posted on 10/26/2006 2:02:01 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: gb63

After someone surrenders first then the media should get to determine who really won and honor the winning side with an Oscar.


22 posted on 10/26/2006 2:03:09 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: boomop1

"Kill him, he is in the way."

I like your style.


23 posted on 10/26/2006 2:03:54 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: sittnick

Or, he would have stood in front of the German tanks and shouted "now, you go back where you came from, you bad boys."
Or, more probably, he would have talked Hitler out of it with his superior intellect and charm.


24 posted on 10/26/2006 2:04:28 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: tobyhill
"I think war should be illegal...I'm basically a pacifist."

WOW!!(slapping forehead) Why didn't I think of that?? We simply pass a law saying war is against the law and shazam, no more war! This guy is a genius, right?

25 posted on 10/26/2006 2:04:56 PM PDT by epow ("A strong man ARMED keepeth his palace, and his goods are in peace",,,Jesus Christ, ca 30 AD)
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To: tobyhill
"I think war should be illegal," he says. "I'm basically a pacifist."

If the democrats win on Nov. 7th, they will claim that Americans have chosen to agree with this reporter

26 posted on 10/26/2006 2:05:09 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (If you dont vote on election day, then who are you electing?)
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To: tobyhill
I think That's a debatable point. war should be illegal Yeah, it's harmful to children and other living things. That's some deep thinking.
27 posted on 10/26/2006 2:05:35 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: tobyhill

Should he be kidnapped, let's see who he gets to help him--Peace Now or the US Marines...


28 posted on 10/26/2006 2:05:49 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: tobyhill
"I think war should be illegal..."

And money should be free...

29 posted on 10/26/2006 2:07:09 PM PDT by avacado
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To: tobyhill
Soem Thoughts From This Hypocritical Drive By Media Bastard

Reporting trips are now military-style missions. We're escorted by private, armed guards. But even after taking every precaution, sometimes we're caught in the violence, as I was during an IED attack in Mosul in January 2005.

War should be outlawed, but he travels with "private, armed guards". Of course YOUR "private, armed guards" would be called "mercenaries" by this Media POS.

30 posted on 10/26/2006 2:08:04 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: boomop1
Kill him, he is in the way.

I'm sure *we* won't. We'll just provide the umbrella of security that allows him to exist in his warm, moist pacifist bubble.

Make's a guy want to start drinkin', don't it?

Fool.

31 posted on 10/26/2006 2:09:00 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA} Proud Infidel Since 1968)
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To: tobyhill
"It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

Cormac McCarthy
Blood Meridian

32 posted on 10/26/2006 2:10:34 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: tobyhill

How does he intend to enforce the law?


33 posted on 10/26/2006 2:11:10 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: tobyhill
"I think war should be illegal," he says. "I'm basically a pacifist."

Yeah, real agenda-less. If war should be illegal, I'll bet he thinks those who wage it are criminals. Like President Bush, perhaps? Agenda-less, my eye!

34 posted on 10/26/2006 2:11:30 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: tobyhill

I have been thinking about this fairly intensively lately, mostly because I am sick of hearing people make the assumption that if you support the War on Terror, that you are pro-war. (That, and I am reading "Flag of our Fathers"...)

I think every reasonable, thoughtful person is anti-war.

Anyone who dwells on it can realize that it is something to be avoided, and after all, we would all like to see our young men and women working in a peacetime military. I would visualize the discussion with this guy as something like this:

LIBERAL:
I am anti-war. I am a pacifist and I think war should be outlawed.

ME:
I am anti-war as well. The difference between you and me is that you do not think there is anything that is ALWAYS worth fighting for. You see complete submission in any conceivable case to the demands of others as being a viable option. I do not. I can forsee situations where I would be willing to fight, as distasteful and horrible as warfare is.


I have respect for people who are legitimate Conscientious Objectors. I think there are other ways to serve your country if you are. But the people who are anti-war and want to obstruct my ability to defend myself and my loved ones, well, they are the enemy, as far as I am concerned.


35 posted on 10/26/2006 2:11:40 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Domandred; Victoria Delsoul
When you figure out how to enforce that one without breaking the same law then I'm right there with ya buddy...really.

LOL ping.

36 posted on 10/26/2006 2:13:24 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: tobyhill
Most (if not all) of these media Talking Heads truly believe it's about them; not so much at all about the information they're communicating.

That's why they get all spruced up...fancy clothes, stylish hairdos...even a bias for young blondes ever since Diane Sawyer first elicted the phrase "Wow! The news never looked so good."

They truly believe that you're watching them, with only a tertiary interest in the information they're reading off the teleprompter. Of course, that's why if they must choose between information that is true OR titillating, they'll invariably choose the titillating...because it really doesn't matter.

You're watching the marvelous visage of them!

I'd like to see just one Network try an experiment using computer-animated Talking Characters to vocalize the words previsiously composed by writers behind the scenes! Or, use the Bears at Disneyland, or some other animated character(s). Think of the money the Network would save if it turned out that Viewers-Like-You-and-Me were actually watching to catch the 'information' rather than those titillating half-truths, biases or outright lies uttered by self-absorbed (and highly-paid) Talking Head actors!

37 posted on 10/26/2006 2:13:30 PM PDT by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: tobyhill

"And I for one, welcome our new Muslim overlords."

38 posted on 10/26/2006 2:14:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tobyhill
Williams asserted that Engel's reporting was fearless against annoying media critics: "In an era of instant media criticism, he calls balls and strikes in the middle of a war zone," says NBC anchor Brian Williams. "He is completely unbothered by any Web site that may have problems with his reporting while he's over in Iraq dodging bullets...

Fearless? Dodging bullets? LoL!

This guy preened and pruned himself on a Baghdad hotel balcony before going on the air where he queried his producer on what happened over the night so he'd know what to report. He's a candy @$$.

39 posted on 10/26/2006 2:14:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tobyhill

He basically belongs covering cooking shows, or fashion shows.


40 posted on 10/26/2006 2:14:50 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU MUST BURN OUR FLAG, PLEASE WRAP YOURSELF IN IT FIRST)
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To: tobyhill
"I think war should be illegal...I'm basically a pacifist." Richard Engel

Yes.... Engel, what has war ever solved, but an End to Slavery, an End to Nazism, Facism, communism and terrorism.

Not to mention the war between the United States and England ...The American Revolution, which gives you the right to act like a Chicken with your head in the sand.

41 posted on 10/26/2006 2:16:07 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: tobyhill
NBC anchor Brian Williams claimed Engel "is the most agenda-less person I've met in our business." Then Engel declared "I think war should be illegal...I'm basically a pacifist."

NBC anchor Brian Williams: "…He is the most agenda-less person I've met in our business, I think, in the past 20 years."

It would be interesting to read Engel’s opinion pieces on Clinton’s military adventures. I’ll bet that his position that all wars should be illegal didn’t become public at that time.

42 posted on 10/26/2006 2:16:22 PM PDT by RJL
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To: tobyhill
There are two ways to look at things, one is the perfect world - this is how dems make decisions; the other is reality - this is how pubs make decisions. They guy is right, war should be outlawed, but alas, we live in a real world.
43 posted on 10/26/2006 2:16:59 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: AmericanMade1776

He's basically an idiot.


44 posted on 10/26/2006 2:17:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tobyhill

Hey Dick, why not present your beliefs to the Islamic Terrorists and let us know their response?


45 posted on 10/26/2006 2:22:19 PM PDT by msnimje (Democratic Leftists are nothing like LIBERAL. They are intolerant and intellectual cowards.)
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To: Domandred
When you figure out how to enforce that one without breaking the same law then I'm right there with ya buddy...really.

Exactly what I was thinking.

46 posted on 10/26/2006 2:22:34 PM PDT by DejaJude (Admiral Clark said, "Our mantra today is life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it!")
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To: Joe 6-pack

"It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

Cormac McCarthy
Blood Meridian

Wow, Joe 6-pack. You're sandbagging everyone. You need to change your moniker to Joe Shakespeare. That's one great quote in this context.


47 posted on 10/26/2006 2:27:56 PM PDT by drsbb
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To: tobyhill

What's NBC?


48 posted on 10/26/2006 2:28:52 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: OldFriend

Just when one thought the MSM couldn't get any dumber they go out and redeem themselves.


49 posted on 10/26/2006 2:29:27 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: epow
WOW!!(slapping forehead) Why didn't I think of that?? We simply pass a law saying war is against the law and shazam, no more war! This guy is a genius, right?

Wrong. I think stupidity should be illegal.

50 posted on 10/26/2006 2:29:28 PM PDT by DejaJude (Admiral Clark said, "Our mantra today is life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it!")
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