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When an AK47 Is Not an AK47
American Spectator ^ | 17 Oct 06 | John Tabin

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:20:20 AM PDT by rellimpank

The self-righteous ignorance that drives so much gun control advocacy never ceases to amuse. Josh Feit's latest column for the Seattle alternative weekly the Stranger is a classic of the genre.

It seems that as he stumps for fellow Republicans and paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery. Feit is hopping mad:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; elections; giuliani; libertarians; rinowatch
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1 posted on 10/17/2006 10:20:20 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

but.. AK47's are EVIL!!!! /sarcasm.. :)


2 posted on 10/17/2006 10:22:45 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: rellimpank
I'm reminded of some video I saw from Iraq. Some embedded reporterette was asking a few servicemen about some gunshots she was hearing. "Are those ours or theirs?" she asked.

The servicemen listened for a few seconds, and agreed amongst themselves that the weapons being fired were AKs.

"So those are ours, then?"

With a look of just-how-stupid-are-you that had to have been seen to be believed on their faces, the servicemen politely explained that, no, those were not ours. I had to change the channel after that.

3 posted on 10/17/2006 10:29:44 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Echo Talon
I rather have an AN-94.
4 posted on 10/17/2006 10:29:47 AM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: rellimpank
To the uninformed media talking heads "semi automatic rifle" = Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
5 posted on 10/17/2006 10:32:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Perdogg
id rather have this here... its looks sooo cool! :)

but, this is actually my dream gun MP5SD, scroll down

6 posted on 10/17/2006 10:36:11 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Perdogg

Think this hi-cap mag is legal in CA?
7 posted on 10/17/2006 10:47:45 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: rellimpank
The AK-47s that you see Third World soldiers brandishing and the AK-47s you can buy in Seattle are completely different weapons. Another difference is you can buy a fully-automatic AK-47 for about $75 on the street of just about any Muslim or Eastern African city.
8 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:30 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969
The AK-47s that you see Third World soldiers brandishing and the AK-47s you can buy in Seattle are completely different weapons.

Another difference is you can buy a fully-automatic AK-47 for about $75 on the street of just about any Muslim or Eastern African city.

9 posted on 10/17/2006 10:56:09 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: struwwelpeter

What about that folding stock?


10 posted on 10/17/2006 10:57:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Perdogg

I like my SA-93. Added a slightly longer synthetic stock and some 30 round mags, now it shoots bulls eyes with ease at 100 yards (iron sights).


11 posted on 10/17/2006 11:01:44 AM PDT by Kolb
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To: struwwelpeter

The only "mag" that is legal in California is Playboy.


12 posted on 10/17/2006 11:02:47 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Echo Talon
The MP5 SD is better in dreams than reality. Those who shoot vastly prefer the MP5 with a conventional suppressor. The SD blasts crap back in your face, and has fewer good ammo options, and is very sensitive to cleaning and maintenance issues.
13 posted on 10/17/2006 11:03:05 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: rellimpank

I don't think TAS requires excerpting:

The self-righteous ignorance that drives so much gun control advocacy never ceases to amuse. Josh Feit's latest column for the Seattle alternative weekly the Stranger is a classic of the genre.

It seems that as he stumps for fellow Republicans and paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery. Feit is hopping mad:

The availability of assault weapons like AK-47s at gun shows and gun shops has emerged as a major concern for U.S. law enforcement grappling with terrorism in the post-9/11 era. Giuliani's commitment to limiting access to assault weapons, however, apparently evaporated this week when he came to Seattle to stump for GOP U.S. Senate candidate Mike McGavick....

What's most galling about Giuliani's flip-flop on assault weapons is that his pro-McGavick stump speech was squarely focused on homeland security. "We need senators who understand that we have to be on offense against terrorism," he said. "Cantwell's ambiguous support for the effort against terrorism probably concerns me more than anything else."

For someone who claims to be so vigilant, Giuliani's shirking of his commitment to regulating AK-47s (which you can currently buy in about 15 minutes at Butch's Gun Shop on Aurora Avenue North, according to a salesperson there) is laughable.

An al Qaeda manual entitled How Can I Train Myself for Jihad, found by United States Special Forces in the ruins of a training camp in Afghanistan (and posted on a suspected terrorist's website in 2004), tellingly singles out the United States for its easy availability of firearms, and stipulates that al Qaeda members living in the U.S. "obtain an assault weapon legally, preferably an AK-47 or variations."


The existence of this manual may be a sign that there are some unexpected strategic benefits to American journalists' chronically deficient grasp of the basic issues they're supposed to be covering. The AK-47s that you see Third World soldiers brandishing and the AK-47s you can buy in Seattle are completely different weapons. The former are fully automatic weapons, which have been tightly regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934. The Gun Control of 1968 outlawed importation of foreign-made fully automatic weapons for sale to civilians, and a 1986 amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act banned the domestic manufacture of fully automatic weapons for civilians. It is possible for a civilian to legally obtain a fully automatic AK-47, but it is extremely difficult: Before you can even begin to navigate your way through a maze of state and federal regulations, you've got to find someone with a weapon either made in the U.S. before 1986 or imported before 1968.

The AK-47s that you can buy at the average gun store are semiautomatic rifles; you only get one shot per trigger-pull. How did the assault weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 affect the availability of these? It didn't, in any meaningful sense. The differences between the rifles that were legal before the ban, during the ban, and now are entirely cosmetic.


FEIT'S SILLY COLUMN WOULDN'T BE quite so remarkable if not for how it came to my attention, through an approving link from Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan is ubiquitous these days, promoting a book entitled The Conservative Soul: How We Lost It, How to Get It Back. His comment on Feit's column: "As Jon Stewart said of John McCain, Giuliani has turned his straight talk express into a bus to bulls**t-town."

That's rather more vicious than a little light ribbing over a flip-flop -- particularly striking given that Sullivan endorsed John Kerry for President. But if we're to heap scorn on a politician who shifts his emphasis on guns to appeal to conservative voters, what are we to make of someone who calls himself a conservative, and even poses as a savior of the conservative soul -- while aligning himself with a guy like Feit on an issue so central to both the libertarian and traditionalist strains of American conservatism?


John Tabin is a frequent online contributor to The American Spectator and AmSpecBlog.


14 posted on 10/17/2006 11:04:28 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: struwwelpeter

It's legal in Oregon: I have a 90 rd drum magazine on my Bullpup Mini 14.


15 posted on 10/17/2006 11:07:34 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Kolb
SLR-95 here. Excellent weapon. Action smooth. Never so much as a hiccup when firing. It now looks "normal" sans thumb hole stock,etc.
16 posted on 10/17/2006 11:08:44 AM PDT by donozark (He who lives by the AK-47 dies by the M-16...)
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To: Gordongekko909
The servicemen listened for a few seconds, and agreed amongst themselves that the weapons being fired were AKs.

"So those are ours, then?"

Well, from the MSM perspective, the AK-47s are "ours."

17 posted on 10/17/2006 11:10:12 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Beelzebubba
you can put a regular suppressor on it cant you?
18 posted on 10/17/2006 11:10:49 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Interesting... I didn't realize that the SBR version of the PS-90 was going to be available directly from FN - It had looked like you'd have to do it yourself. The PS-90s with the long factory barrel look a bit silly, IMHO, but with the shorter barrel it regains the high degree of coolness of the military original, and will be worth waiting for. Now if they can issue it in black, and get the price of the ammo down, we'll be able to play Stargate SG-1...


19 posted on 10/17/2006 11:16:32 AM PDT by Zeppo
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To: Zeppo

I agree, it must come in black! :) I haven't done any research/shopping into this firearm not sure whats available I just did a quick search.


20 posted on 10/17/2006 11:20:29 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Fido969

--you can say that again--


21 posted on 10/17/2006 11:21:32 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms-NRA Benefactor)
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To: Beelzebubba

--I like to lead others to a good website--


22 posted on 10/17/2006 11:22:28 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms-NRA Benefactor)
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To: CFC__VRWC

That was my first thought, too.


23 posted on 10/17/2006 11:23:26 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Echo Talon

You'd need subsonic ammo, but yes.


24 posted on 10/17/2006 11:24:21 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

my x-girlfirends father was a navy guy(some kind of special forces type of guy NOT A SEAL but some kind of guy that boards other ships i think), he has a personal regular MP5 it was pretty nice.. also that guy was a monster... he was only like 5'7" but he was HUGE! forearms like popeye and arms like Ahrnold! :)


25 posted on 10/17/2006 11:30:35 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: struwwelpeter; All
Here's my favorite media weapon:


26 posted on 10/17/2006 11:37:38 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Echo Talon

Yes, on an MP5, not on an SD.


27 posted on 10/17/2006 11:37:40 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Echo Talon

IMHO, some of the coolest guns out there (legally) are the semi-auto versions of WW2-era MGs and SMGs. 1919, MG34, MG42, BREN, ZB26, DP, etc. I'm also waiting for Military Gun Supply to perfect their semi-auto PPSh-41.


28 posted on 10/17/2006 11:38:37 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: BenLurkin
What about that folding stock?


Oops, would I better off with something a little less... flexible?
29 posted on 10/17/2006 11:39:29 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Gordongekko909
The servicemen listened for a few seconds, and agreed amongst themselves that the weapons being fired were AKs.

" This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy. It makes a distinctive sound when fired at you. So remember it."
- - Gunnery Sgt. Tom 'Gunny' Highway

30 posted on 10/17/2006 11:44:42 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: Zeppo
The PS 90 is available in black stock (currently short supply and a price premium.) You can also have the green stock dyed black.

You can SBR it the usual way. Use a Form 1 to the ATF, with all the fingerprints, photos, and $200, and when approved, send your barrel to someone who can shorten it for you. (I suggest trosusa.com - and don't buy the bull that it can't be done due to the chrome lining - sales hype.)

The brass catcher is a nifty and affordable accessory.

The optic is quite bad, but easy to replace with a $150 rail that accepts any good scope (like an Aimpoint red dot) and a flashlight and/or laser if you like.)

There is an upcoming version that has a rail integrated, instead of the optic.

Ammo pricing isn't so bad if you don't compare to military surplus prices.

My advice is to get one before Hillary bans them.
31 posted on 10/17/2006 11:46:41 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: rellimpank

During the Amish shooting episode recently, one of our local reporters actually said "He also had a 12 gauge rifle"


32 posted on 10/17/2006 11:46:42 AM PDT by oldtimer2 (I have seen THE VILLAGE and I don't want it raising my child)
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oldtimer2 said: During the Amish shooting episode recently, one of our local reporters actually said "He also had a 12 gauge rifle"

If you install a rifled barrel in a 12-guage shotgun, then I think you do have a 12-guage rifle.

This fact, however, in no way suggests that the reporter knew what he was talking about.

33 posted on 10/17/2006 11:59:59 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: rellimpank

when its both income and foreign exchange?


34 posted on 10/17/2006 12:03:44 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: struwwelpeter

Hmmm.....


35 posted on 10/17/2006 12:08:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: oldtimer2

--stuff like that is the origin of my tagline--


36 posted on 10/17/2006 12:09:48 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank
Giuliani is NOT to be trusted. He's a RINO. Just as Hillary will temporarily put aside many of her most strident liberal beliefs to get elected, so to will RINOs like Rudy.

Note his comment in the original article: "Speaking to a group of reporters at the Sheraton Hotel downtown, where he was hosting a $1,000—$2,100-a-plate fundraiser for McGavick on Monday, October 9, Giuliani said this: "I don't think [the assault-weapons ban] is one of the most critical issues right now."

Yeah. Not "right now", just AFTER I get elected, when I'll join my gun-grabbing democrat brothers and sisters in pushing for a total ban on handguns and "assault weapons".

37 posted on 10/17/2006 12:12:10 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH

--I agree completely--


38 posted on 10/17/2006 12:19:20 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: ozzymandus
here ya go :) Tom Hanks Saving Private Ryan style :)
39 posted on 10/17/2006 12:22:38 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Very cool, but does the 10" barrel have to be registered?


40 posted on 10/17/2006 12:34:28 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: William Tell
If you install a rifled barrel in a 12-guage shotgun, then I think you do have a 12-guage rifle.

with a slug barrel, its still considered a shotgun as it is still designed to use plastic shotshells.
else, it would be a .729 calibre rifle, which too big. i believe it would have to be registered as a DD.
41 posted on 10/17/2006 12:34:38 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: CFC__VRWC

Naah, this was a Fox News reporterette who, it seemed, just didn't know what she was doing.


42 posted on 10/17/2006 12:36:11 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: ozzymandus

I have no idea... it my be different in different states.... contact the site they can help you.. they know the laws and stuff.


43 posted on 10/17/2006 12:37:12 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: absolootezer0
with a slug barrel, its still considered a shotgun as it is still designed to use plastic shotshells. else, it would be a .729 calibre rifle, which too big. i believe it would have to be registered as a DD.

Not if it's deemed to have sporting purposes. It's not well known, but any shotgun with a bore over .5" can be deemed a destructive device at the government's will. That's what happened with the Striker/Streetsweeper/Jackhammer shotguns. There was never any legislation or EO to outlaw them. The Secretary of the Treasury simply declared that they had no sporting purpose and were henceforth considered destructive devices.

44 posted on 10/17/2006 2:06:57 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: DocH; rellimpank
Giuliani is NOT to be trusted. He's a RINO. Just as Hillary will temporarily put aside many of her most strident liberal beliefs to get elected, so to will RINOs like Rudy.

Yeah. Not "right now", just AFTER I get elected, when I'll join my gun-grabbing democrat brothers and sisters in pushing for a total ban on handguns and "assault weapons".

I agree 100% with you guys. An anti-gunner doesn't change his or her stripes - if they're so emotional over the gun issue that they can't come down on the correct side of it, then I don't trust them - period - because that kind of emotional problem doesn't just go away. There's also a huge contempt for the average person implicit in the "let's ban all/most guns" position, especially coming from a pol. Its the old "I know what's best for you" paternalism, which in other nations has resulted in horrible dictatorships and has made the commission of genocides possible.

Show me an anti-gun pol, and you'll have shown me someone who won't get my vote, EVER.

45 posted on 10/17/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: struwwelpeter



Duct tape is legal :-)


46 posted on 10/17/2006 2:20:08 PM PDT by DTA (Mr. President, Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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To: Echo Talon; Spktyr; RKBA Democrat; Eaker; Dawsonville_Doc

a semiauto 12-guage AK47 variant and semiauto bullpup AK47 variant. Every home should have 'em.

47 posted on 10/17/2006 3:30:27 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: rellimpank
as he ... paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery.

So, how many people are silly enough to believe him?
48 posted on 10/17/2006 3:47:23 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: rellimpank
When an AK47 Is Not an AK47


49 posted on 10/17/2006 4:06:00 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: King Prout; humblegunner

Absolute beauties!


50 posted on 10/17/2006 4:52:31 PM PDT by Eaker (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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