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Proposal to Stop School Shootings
TNA ^ | 10.14.06 | Kurt Williamsen

Posted on 10/16/2006 10:30:32 PM PDT by Coleus

Frank Lasee, a state representative in Wisconsin's 2nd Assembly District, commented about the recent string of school violence, including the killing of a Wisconsin principal and an aborted Columbine-style attack in Green Bay, and an incident involving a Madison, Wisconsin, boy who used a knife from a home economics class to threaten another student.

Lasee notes: “Many on the left will most likely use this tragedy to push for a total ban on guns.... Several countries have tried this tactic. It has failed every time.” For proof, he looks to Great Britain and Australia, where strict gun control measures virtually disarmed the general public. In both places armed robbery and murder rates increased substantially. In Great Britain, the “homicide rates jumped by 50%.”

To put an end to school shootings, Lasee proposes the same solution as that implemented successfully by Israel and Thailand — arming teachers and school officials. “Following repeated attacks of Israeli schools by Palestinian terrorists,” Lasee says, “teachers and parent volunteers in the West Bank began carrying concealed weapons to protect themselves and their students from harm. In the twenty-five years since, no child has been harmed by gunfire in an Israeli school.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; kurtwilliamsen; schools; schoolshootings; tna

1 posted on 10/16/2006 10:30:33 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Joe Brower

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2 posted on 10/16/2006 10:33:25 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Coleus

Makes sense...but then that's the very reason the left will never buy into it! Sheesh!


3 posted on 10/16/2006 10:37:45 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Coleus


Hmmm, maybe this is how we get all the Lefty gun haters out of the teaching profession!


4 posted on 10/16/2006 10:49:31 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (...ON 11/7, YOU ARE EITHER WITH US, OR WITH THE DEMOCRATS...)
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To: Coleus

Now if we could just get this story into the MSM, we could start talking about it seriously.


5 posted on 10/16/2006 10:56:07 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Hmmm, maybe this is how we get all the Lefty gun haters out of the teaching profession!

Two birds with one stone; I like the way you think.

6 posted on 10/16/2006 10:56:10 PM PDT by steveegg (Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
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To: Coleus
Meanwhile,
we should make dodge-ball a federal offense.

Oh,
but keep abortion alive and killing.

/Very Rude Sarcasm!!!
7 posted on 10/16/2006 10:57:19 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Coleus
implemented successfully by Israel and Thailand — arming teachers and school officials.

I agree with respect to Israel, but not Thailand. A lot of lip service has been given to arming teachers in the South of Thailand, but it can hardly be called a success. It has done nothing to make anyone safer. On the contrary, a lot of guns distributed in Thailand have been stolen and used against their former owners.

8 posted on 10/16/2006 11:06:47 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Shery

Exactly - making sense is not a Liberal value.

A Conservative world is rational and fair - life makes sense, and there is a sense of order, balance and optimism.

Liberals live in bizarro world. Irrational, chaotic, and in despair. They confuse and completely distort crime and punishment, victim and aggressor, performance and reward, cause and effect.

When something makes sense, it is EXACTLY that quality which deters a Liberal from supporting or advocating it!


9 posted on 10/16/2006 11:16:35 PM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Coleus

And this will work in a one-room Amish schoolhouse....how?


10 posted on 10/16/2006 11:19:01 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Coleus

I have an idea.....
Return discipline to the classroom and at home. The kids rule the roost and classroom and they know it.

I came from a generation where the teachers AND parents were expected to knock heads together once in a while when we got out of line. It was always such an effective learning tool.
They were not worried about our "feelings" but how our behavior affected those around us.
There were consequences to our actions then.


11 posted on 10/16/2006 11:25:17 PM PDT by LFOD (IRAQ - Back in downtown Baghdad)
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To: paulat
"And this will work in a one-room Amish schoolhouse....how?"

It would work in 99 percent of cases but you focus on the one scenario in which it would not work. Way to go in pointing out how leftists think. Solution is not perfect so reject it i favor of a losing strategy.
12 posted on 10/17/2006 1:47:45 AM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Coleus

It might make more sense to have tasers or some non lethal weapon. I wouldn't want my kids caught in the crossfire of some crazed teachers or parents blasting away.


13 posted on 10/17/2006 3:04:28 AM PDT by tkathy (The Real Republican (RR) way is sticking to the issues and not finger pointing.)
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To: LFOD
Bookmark for later.
14 posted on 10/17/2006 3:38:38 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Coleus

Get rid of Doyle and this has a chance of passing.

Doyle vetoed CCW laws the last two times it came up. This November, vote the guy out of office.


15 posted on 10/17/2006 5:10:59 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Coleus

Arm the teachers? Might of worked when I was in school when a lot of teachers were male and WWII vets, doubt if it would work with todays crop of teachers who have been taught to shun military service and hate guns.


16 posted on 10/17/2006 5:22:53 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: LFOD
Return discipline to the classroom and at home. The kids rule the roost and classroom and they know it.

I came from a generation where the teachers AND parents were expected to knock heads together once in a while when we got out of line. It was always such an effective learning tool.

Sorry, too late. In fact about forty years too late. It all started with Madelyn Murray O'Hare who successfully mounted a US Supreme Court challenge to take Jesus Christ out of the classroom. Since then, the grades went down and the crime went up. So too, did lawsuits. We created the society we have today and we did it right then. Now, the cat is out of the bag. In fact, the bag itself, has been atomized.

The only way I can strike a kid in my classroom is if he attacks ME first and there are witnesses. Thank God this is the case according to both our teaching contract AND state law.

In places like New York City, neither is true. I know a teacher from New York who had his ribs broken and his jaw shattered by a punk with a black belt in karate. Because he tried to get the kid OFF him in the middle of getting beat near to death....New York City fired him. The punk was wrist slapped. I think he successfully sued the teacher he beat. That teacher came to Florida where I met him at my old middle school. That was 1994. I transferred to the high school level the next year where I've been ever since.

In 1998, IIRC, a kid in my inner city classroom put his hand on my shoulder and wouldn't remove it. He kept smiling in front of the class. Big linebacker for the varsity squad. I reminded him that the definition for "BATTERY" is unlawful and unwanted touching of any nature. He still refused to get his hand off me and kept smiling right up to the point I applied strong and concentrated pressure to the nerve cluster centered in the muscle directly above the elbow joint. He went to his knees and I "helped" him stand again, keeping the pressure on. He looked in my eyes and I looked in his...and we reached an understanding. No more trouble. In fact, whenever I had any sort of problem with anybody, he and some team mates "visited" with them off school property.

I had almost nine very quiet years there before I transferred deeper into the inner city. They gave me a 20% raise in pay to go to one of the worst zones in the county. No problems here, either. Well, not for me. Teachers have routinely been assaulted here. Mostly soft, gentle liberals who try to "understand" the children (felons?) and make them feel good about themselves....

This thing about arming teachers...I don't think so...not the current crop of liberals. We need to actively recruit returning soldiers from combat to enter the classroom. Since a college degree and a modicum of leadership training is needed this would mean mostly officers. But junior officers up to the rank of captain.

17 posted on 10/17/2006 5:32:15 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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