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Working class snookered by Bush ["working class" religion, abortion, homophobia]
Capital Times ^ | 10-11-06 | Dave Zweifel

Posted on 10/11/2006 3:57:39 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: A. Pole
When people are forced to chose they tend to put their values before money. Gay "marriage" advocates helped GWB to win in 2004 and they keep GOP in power.

This is true. And the business/open borders R's hate it and are doing the best to drive values voters out of the coalition.

41 posted on 10/11/2006 10:55:49 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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Dave Zweifel

He thinks he is smarter than the rest of us and knows what is best for your family. I say he should mind his own damn business.

42 posted on 10/11/2006 11:09:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SJackson

Wild and irrational conflations.


43 posted on 10/11/2006 11:12:01 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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Thomas Frank

Frank argues that the problem is the "systematic erasure of the economic" from discussions of class and its replacement with a notion of "authenticity," whereby "there is no bad economic turn a conservative cannot do unto his buddy in the working class, as long as cultural solidarity has been cemented over a beer." The leaders of this backlash, by focussing on cultural issues in which victory is probably impossible (abortion, "filth" on TV), feed their base's sense of grievance, abetted, Frank believes, by a "criminally stupid" Democratic strategy of triangulation. Liberals do not need to know more about nascar; they need to talk more about money and class.

Frank says, working class will continue voting against their own self interests

44 posted on 10/11/2006 11:17:37 PM PDT by kcvl
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Show me an article that references "working people" or "working families" and I'll show you a Democratic operative at work.


45 posted on 10/12/2006 5:17:45 AM PDT by Sender (Error 404: tagline not found)
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This is an irrelevant book which makes people stupid for reading it.

He is the same type of mental midget who only hears "tax cuts for the rich" when President Bush said "EVERYONE gets a tax cut."


46 posted on 10/12/2006 5:22:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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His basic assumption is that morality and religious values mean no more than what your favorite flavor of ice cream is. In his semi Marxists world view, "economics" trumps all.
47 posted on 10/12/2006 5:51:58 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: A. Pole
Majority of Americans are conservative on moral issues and liberal on economic issues. That is why old style New Deal Democrats were so strong and that is why Reagan got votes of "Reagan Democrats" only after the left became decadent.

It's impossible to be conservative on moral issues and liberal on economic issues if you expect to have a stable social order in place. What you failed to mention about "old style New Deal Democrats" is that they established and perpetuated a system that is based on unsound economic policy (which has nothing to do with "liberal" vs. "conservative") and is ultimately doomed to collapse.

48 posted on 10/12/2006 6:50:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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It's impossible to be conservative on moral issues and liberal on economic issues if you expect to have a stable social order in place.

Majority of the country does not agree with you.

What you failed to mention about "old style New Deal Democrats" is that they established and perpetuated a system that is based on unsound economic policy (which has nothing to do with "liberal" vs. "conservative") and is ultimately doomed to collapse.

Somehow America did not collapse yet. Do you really think that abolishment of Social Security. Medicare, Medicaid and public schools will make America stronger?

49 posted on 10/12/2006 7:53:23 PM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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Majority of the country does not agree with you.

So what? That has nothing to do with whether it's right or not. I'm sure most people in this country would love to pay no taxes at all, yet have Federal government that spends 2+ trillion every year on them. That was my point . . . it's a delusional mindset that is completely disconnected from reality.

Somehow America did not collapse yet.

No, it hasn't. But in order to perpetuate this system, the U.S. has been forced to implement policies that you (and most of us here) find completely unacceptable and irresponsible (open borders, "free trade," massive budget deficits, massive long-term public indebtedness, etc.).

Do you really think that abolishment of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and public schools will make America stronger?

Yes. Next question?

50 posted on 10/13/2006 6:38:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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