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Bildt, New foreign minister of Sweden, Calls for action against North Korea
www.thelocal.se ^ | 10/09/2006 | James Savage

Posted on 10/09/2006 2:35:09 AM PDT by WesternCulture

Bildt: North Korea nuclear test 'extremely serious'

Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt has described North Korean claims that it has carried out an underground nuclear weapons test as "an extremely serious development."

The test would have consequences both for stability in East Asia and for international efforts to stem the proliferation of nuclear weapons, Bildt said in a statement on Monday morning.

"While it has been assumed for a long time that North Korea has a few nuclear charges, a test of this kind is a conscious and serious provocation directed at the entire international community," he said, adding that while the information was unconfirmed there was cause to believe that the official North Korean version of events was largely correct.

Bildt called on the United Nations Security Council to discuss what measures could be taken following the test.

"As late as on Friday the UN Security Council said that a nuclear test would endanger peace, stability and security, and challenged North Korea to reenter the so-called six-party talks which it has boycotted during the whole of this year."

James Savage


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; bildt; carlbildt; eastasia; fareast; moderaterna; northkorea; nuclear; nucleartests; nuclearweapons; scandinavia; sweden
More on Carl Bildt:

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=5139&date=20061006

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=5130&date=20061006

1 posted on 10/09/2006 2:35:11 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

For some reason the links above don't work.

These will:


http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=5139&date=20061006

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=5130&date=20061006


2 posted on 10/09/2006 2:37:06 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Have the Swedes blamed the Jews yet?


3 posted on 10/09/2006 2:39:11 AM PDT by zarf
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To: WesternCulture

Seems like we need another General McArthur to lead a solid front of countries against the DPRK (north Korea), Iran and the other enemies of freedom.


4 posted on 10/09/2006 2:40:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Second to none!)
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To: WesternCulture

What are they going to do about it, invade Norway? Again?


5 posted on 10/09/2006 2:42:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: zarf

I think that's the narrative. Somehow, this will be laid at the feet of the "Neocons", code word for "Da Dchooze".


6 posted on 10/09/2006 2:44:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Build some modern furniture.


7 posted on 10/09/2006 3:11:21 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: WesternCulture

Sweden is run by a bunch of cowardly Socialist dhimmis (yeah, I know the new government is nominally conservative but they're still lefty by American standards), who can't even take any action to defend themselves, even as Islamofascists rioters are taking over their cities.

So a crazy government gets nukes, says F-You to the world, and all they want is a debate in the UN?

Enjoy Islamic rule Sweden. It will be upon you soon enough.


8 posted on 10/09/2006 3:14:02 AM PDT by fireman43
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To: zarf
Have the Swedes blamed the Jews yet?

Give them 24 hours.

9 posted on 10/09/2006 3:15:19 AM PDT by fireman43
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To: Dallas59

Oh NO! Not that!


10 posted on 10/09/2006 3:15:37 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Dallas59

I'm sorry but all these folks sounding off are cringing behind the U.S.' skirts. They are threatening that their big brother (US) is going to kick NK's ass.


11 posted on 10/09/2006 3:17:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
What are they going to do about it, invade Norway? Again?

I think the Swedish Army would be lucky to fight Lichtenstein to a draw.

12 posted on 10/09/2006 3:19:02 AM PDT by fireman43
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To: zarf
Have the Swedes blamed the Jews yet?

Didn't you hear? Kim Jong and Albright share a set of Jewish grandparents.

13 posted on 10/09/2006 3:23:03 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

"What are they going to do about it, invade Norway? Again?"

- Good Idea!

However, if Sweden wishes to dethrone the mad rulers of North Korea, Sweden will have to launch somewhat more explosive stuff than protests and political statements.

While Sweden has sent troops here and there around the world, for instance to Afghanistan recently, invading North Korea (which probably is necessary to achive the goal of stability in the region) is a completely different story from what has been done the last 50 years or so (since 1956, Sweden has sent around 80,000 soldiers on different missions around the world).

In the scenario of a UN lead invasion of North Korea (which I believe is better and more realistic than a operation lead by the Nato, the US, China or the EU alone), Sweden actually has a lot to offer.
Apart from the Armed Forces itself, Sweden has a lot of competent arms industry that's manufacturing, among other things, highly advanced fighter planes and submarines. Swedish arms exports is a billion dollar business and it's growing steady from year to year.

Furthermore, Conservative Swedish politicians like Bildt and Reinfeldt (New PM of Sweden) are more likely to send troops to North Korea than the former Social Democratic-Green-Left administration.

The Social Democrats sent troops to fight talibans in Afghanistan, so I wouldn't be surprised if the conservative politicians presently in charge would send troops to North Korea.

Concerning international activities of Swedish Armed Forces:

http://www.mil.se/article.php?lang=E&id=7296

Concerning Swedish arms exports:

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=4556&date=20060809


14 posted on 10/09/2006 3:24:13 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Sweaden, shut the hell up sissy boys,
too little too late.

Let's wait and do nothing until the geenie is out of the bottle.


15 posted on 10/09/2006 3:24:19 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: fireman43
"A thousand Swedes ran through the weeds, chased by one Norwegian."

They may be out of practice, but in the event of a Soviet invasion (circa 1972) the Swedes probably would have given a good account of themselves, similar to Finland in 1940-45.

16 posted on 10/09/2006 3:24:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

How about a silent candlelight parade? THAT will really scare the NKs.


17 posted on 10/09/2006 3:28:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: WesternCulture
See my #16. I saw the "changing of the guard" in Stockholm in 1973. The Swedish royal guard struck me as a particularly ragtag outfit, suited to a country that had absolutely no pretense of military might. Y'all were sufficiently well armed to dissuade the Nazis and Soviets, which is all you needed, I suppose.

Any Swedish fantasy about a U.S. invasion was pure megalomania, I assure you.
18 posted on 10/09/2006 3:30:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
How about a silent candlelight parade?

No, NO! NOT THAT! THAT'LL LEARN 'EM GOOD!

19 posted on 10/09/2006 3:31:54 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: WesternCulture

"Bildt called on the United Nations Security Council to discuss what measures could be taken following the test."

Now, that's taking action! LMAO (if it weren't so serious).


20 posted on 10/09/2006 3:34:24 AM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Nope. Just going to send them a really nasty letter.

I find this whole thing irritating. WTF do they think the UN is going to do? Sanctions?

Big whoop.

Shutting off cable tv, heat and phone access to someone who doesn't have it anyway is not going to change their quality of life.

To all the libs and Madeline Halfbrights of the world...THIS is EXACTLY what dialogue gets you for your money. And dialog with Iran will not produce anything different.

Sheesh.


21 posted on 10/09/2006 3:38:02 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: WesternCulture

Alright, Sweden volunteers to send the Swedish Bikini Team ! Now that might actually work.


22 posted on 10/09/2006 3:38:26 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: WesternCulture

Too late.


23 posted on 10/09/2006 3:38:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: WesternCulture

Bildt called on the United Nations Security Council to discuss what measures could be taken following the test.



Why doesn't he just have his military go over there and do something instead of having the UN in charge or of course as always America will have to do something. If Sweden can call on action why doesn't he do something. I am sick of these European countries yelling and screaming but doing absolutely NOTHING! Absolutely worthless.


24 posted on 10/09/2006 3:39:43 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Joe Boucher

"Sweaden, shut the hell up sissy boys,
too little too late.

Let's wait and do nothing until the geenie is out of the bottle."

I agree Sweden has done too little in the WOT area, but it's ALSO true that the US has rushed the whole thing. A lot of people here would probably disagree, but I think more countries, even France and Germany, would have joined the alliance if Blix and the UN would have been given more time.

People like Bush and Blair have admitted their mistakes, but as far as I'm concerned, they've got nothing to be ashamed of. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and a major threat to peace in the Middle East any way you look at it.
Quite contrary, a lot of other countries are doing very little to aid the US and the UK, which I think is a disgrace.

Saddam Hussein should've been got rid off in a joint US-EU-UN-NATO operation and that's the way we ought to fight the talibans and North Korea as well.




25 posted on 10/09/2006 3:41:32 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
What's that saying?

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of Cure."

This comes late. Expect a repeat in regards to Iran.

To be fair, Bildt's attitude is a welcome relief, but his election does not put an end to nihilism. Sadly, Sweden will most likely continue in its complacent and amoral tradition.
26 posted on 10/09/2006 3:47:49 AM PDT by AIM-54
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To: WesternCulture
...even France and Germany, would have joined the alliance if Blix and the UN would have been given more time.

Time had nothing to do with it. Both France and Germany were dealing with Saddam and getting oil in return. They valued that oil more then they valued Global Security.

Looks like very few countries have been dealing with North Korea (except perhaps Iran and Venezuela). No one will stop the US from doing whatever it wants now with regards to North Korea. Looks like a Cuban Missile Crisis Blockade will be the first move according to an 'expert' on Art Bell last night.

27 posted on 10/09/2006 3:50:39 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: WesternCulture

You are very correct but too many like france and germany think only of making a buck and screwing the U.S.
When Iran manages to stop the flow of mid-east oil to europe and the russians help and the folks there freeze in some future winter I'll sit back and laugh at their stupidity.
Now let's get rid of the fool in Venezuela.


28 posted on 10/09/2006 3:56:46 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: AIM-54

"What's that saying?

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of Cure."

This comes late. Expect a repeat in regards to Iran.

To be fair, Bildt's attitude is a welcome relief, but his election does not put an end to nihilism. Sadly, Sweden will most likely continue in its complacent and amoral tradition."

I'm also afraid Iran will be a repeat of what happened in the case of Iraq.

But WHY?

One, big, part of the problem is this;

Prestige.

If the US would "wait" with undertaking any military action against Iran until the EU says the time is ripe, it will look as the US is being "obedient" visavi the Europeans. Therefore, the US is bound to rush it again and in that way we westeners run the risk of actually doing more harm to the Western World itself than to islamofascism.

People like Bush, Blix and Bildt might disagree over several issues, but they all understand the importance of these two things;

- Defending Western Civilization

- Creating unity in the Western World

Personally speaking, Any enlightened person who shares these goals with me, I consider an ally.


29 posted on 10/09/2006 4:03:10 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: fireman43; zarf
Have the Swedes blamed the Jews yet?

They are planning on doing it at their next news conference, as soon as they assemble the furniture to set the microphone on....

30 posted on 10/09/2006 4:08:08 AM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: WesternCulture

The main problem now is how can we do anything against Iran if North Korea becomes priority number one ? Looks like a draft is coming.


31 posted on 10/09/2006 4:19:59 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: zarf; Lonesome in Massachussets
Wrong administration. A right-of-center government just won in Sweden.
Of course, I am sure that the jihadists in Malmostan will find some way to blame Israel.
32 posted on 10/09/2006 4:23:23 AM PDT by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: Charles Henrickson; 1234; A knight without armor; american colleen; AndyPH; anguish; AzSteven; ...
Ping to the Swedish Ping List.
33 posted on 10/09/2006 4:27:33 AM PDT by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: WesternCulture
If the US would "wait" with undertaking any military action against Iran until the EU says the time is ripe...

surely you jest.

How many mushroom clouds do you estimate are between here and there?

34 posted on 10/09/2006 5:12:32 AM PDT by AIM-54
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To: rmlew

The Swedes can shuffle the deck all they like, but they could never purge the Jew/Israeli hatred from their puny minds.


35 posted on 10/09/2006 8:12:53 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Brilliant


"Congratulations, Kim."

36 posted on 10/09/2006 9:52:45 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: fireman43
So a crazy government gets nukes, says F-You to the world, and all they want is a debate in the UN?

Listen closely to your congressmen and President today. The usual circle-jerk at the Useless Nations is all that even the US is calling for. NK will pop the next one off in a populated area. Then the UN will go into serious talks. So what?

37 posted on 10/09/2006 9:58:09 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: WesternCulture
I agree Sweden has done too little in the WOT area, but it's ALSO true that the US has rushed the whole thing. A lot of people here would probably disagree, but I think more countries, even France and Germany, would have joined the alliance if Blix and the UN would have been given more time.

Without the troops massed on Iraq's border, Blix & company weren't getting access. Leaving those troops (targets) sitting on the border at length meant desert conditions working to degrade the military capabilities of those troops. Meanwhile, the push against maintaining the sanctions against Hussein were getting louder. Deals had been cut with Hussein & France was telling him to sit tight, they'd do what needed to be done to defang the US. US troops were in harms way, while those without troops in harms way still feel they have a right to kibitz. You're playing the dummy hand, because your clubs were the low bid.

38 posted on 10/09/2006 2:47:12 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: WesternCulture

Ooooh. I bet the Norks are really scared of Sweden.


39 posted on 10/09/2006 2:57:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: WesternCulture

Agree with you. The Swedes build good equipment. Troops might be questionable, but run 'em through the fire and the survivors will be good enough.


40 posted on 10/09/2006 3:04:12 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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