Michigan: Hospitals require workers be smoke-free (More hard news for smokers)

woodtv.com ^ | Sep 28, 2006

[SheLion]

A lot of people are rolling their own now. My cousin says rolling his own runs to about $11 a carton. He buys the filter tubes and has a machine that rolls 2 at a time. He's pretty good at pumping out a carton of cigarettes in about 20 minutes.

I'm glad you brought that up.  I can roll a carton for a little under $8 dollars.  I love the savings.

Can't stand the high taxes?

Afraid to order off of the Internet?

Then start rolling your own!!! I find everything but the machine downtown at the local Smoke Shop.  Also, Rite Aid and grocery stores also sell the bags of tobacco and the filtered tubes.

I roll out a beautiful carton for a little under $8 dollars.  Premiums in my state are now up to $45-$50 a carton.  Can you imagine the money I have saved over the past 4 years since I now roll my own?  It's mind boggling.

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[Gabz]

As I said, I don't like it.....but they are not being given an ultimatuum to quit or lose their jobs, the way Weyco and Scott's did.

[SheLion]

That's too bad. We used to look as the Western side of Michigan as a place to run to when it got too bad over here near Lake Erie as far as Liberalism.

Is Grand Rapids where there was so much gang trouble a few years ago, or was that Battle Creek?

I remember when New York City was forced into a smoking ban.  The people in New Jersey were yelling over the water "Hurry to our side.  Hurry to our side!"

Then, alas, the anti's got their hooks into New Jersey and they aren't doing too well either.

[sunvalley]

I understand your position. I agree with it. In the case of my hospital, this isn't a law, just something the hospital decided to do. As I understand it, there won't be any kind of punishment for parents who violate the rule. They can be smoking right outside the door and will just be made aware of the rule. If they continue to smoke, no one will do anything. I'm sure employees will get into some sort of trouble if caught, though.

I don't think bars, restaurants, or other establishments should be required to ban smoking or any of that nonsense. I do think in a hospital setting, it is beneficial. Again, though, this isn't a law, just a decision made by the hospital.

[cripplecreek]

Most stores carry all the roll your own fixins now anyway. I rolled my own before I quit. It was an easy step for me because my grandfather always rolled his own for as far back as I can remember.

[SheLion]

As I said, I don't like it.....but they are not being given an ultimatuum to quit or lose their jobs, the way Weyco and Scott's did.

It's going to get really miserable for them, Gabz.  I don't like it either because it's just more control.  But, being a private venue, they can do what they want.  Sad.....

[Gabz]

Again, though, this isn't a law, just a decision made by the hospital.

Which is why, while I don't have to like it, I can't argue with the decision of a private business.

Which is a rub when it comes to the government enforced bans.........all businesses have always had the opportunity to go entirely smoke-free, but very few now have an option to be enitrely smoking, or in many places even half and half.

[SheLion]

I don't think bars, restaurants, or other establishments should be required to ban smoking or any of that nonsense. I do think in a hospital setting, it is beneficial. Again, though, this isn't a law, just a decision made by the hospital.

The one bad thing about this is:  I don't think I would want a surgeon to operate on me if he is wanting a cigarette.  Know what I mean?  ouch!

[RandallFlagg]

Unlike Weyco and Scott's at least it is only during their shifts...........they are not being threatedned with being fired for what they do outside of work.

Actually, it isn't only during their shifts: They can't burn one while driving to work.
If I was someone who worked there, I'd demand that they pay me for the time spent driving to work.
If they're gonna try telling me what I can/can't do, why not? I'd be on their time, right?
;-)

[sunvalley]

The hospital is not perfume free. I think I had been told when hired that we shouldn't wear perfume because of patient allergies.

I think that in this business of helping sick kids, people should use common sense. I said in another post that this is not a law, just something the hospital decided to do.

[SheLion]

Most stores carry all the roll your own fixins now anyway. I rolled my own before I quit. It was an easy step for me because my grandfather always rolled his own for as far back as I can remember.

I remember my parents using Buglar tobacco and that rolling machine back then.  Did I spell that right?

[Gabz]

Good point........

[RandallFlagg]

Gotta agree with Gabz here. But, look on the bright side:
The workers who will be fed up with it will leave, the quality will suffer and the hospital would close.
Of course, it'd be blamed on something other than this ridiculous policy.
They're shooting themselves in the foot. Let's just get out of their way and let them.

[sunvalley]

Exactly! You wouldn't want a surgeon or nurse or doctor making a critical decision regarding your health if they are craving a cigarette!

I'm glad the hospital is offering classes and aids before the big day. However, some people just aren't going to want to quit, and I'm afraid it may get really ugly.

[Gabz]

None of the stores around here carry loose tobacco or the tubes..............and there are 8 cigarette outlets in a 4 mile stretch of highway between where I live and the Virginia/Maryland state line.

Up until a few months ago my husband would still pick it up in Delaware, but his work territory no longer includes elaware or Maryland, and he has yet to find a source for loose tobacco in his new territory - but he is still looking :)

Fortunately we can still get cigarettes for less than $20 a carton, even at the local convenience store.

[patton]

I was curious, because my daughter is deathly allergic to perfume. As in, crit drops to next to nothing.

I was wondering how honest the hospitol was being, in it's motivation.

[Martins kid]

Sounds like you work at a hospital that really cares about its patients. Thank you for your work. too. We all need TLC sooner or later. We know you hosptial workers are over worked sometimes. So in the middle of a long busy shift when you wish you could take a smoking break - remember those in the beds appreciate every big and little thing you do to help us recover. We just don't say it sometimes.

[383rr]

I recently started making my own, too. I love the fact that the a$$holes aren't getting any more outrageous taxes from me.

Screw these people.

[ccmay]

My company doesn't hire smokers, period. They tend to be lazy losers, more interested in their next fix than the work at hand, and a drag on the health insurance.

-ccm

[383rr]

That's hilarious.

My welding company doesn't hire whining pu$$ies, either. They NEVER get anything done.