Posted on 09/28/2006 3:39:16 PM PDT by george76
the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service "put wolves in Yellowstone Park" and created a recovery area 300 miles around the park, then "tied all the dollars to Yellowstone and openly admitted they knew wolves would leave.
This Park was created and is now administered for the benefit and enjoyment of the people...it is the property of Uncle Sam and therefore of us all."
President Theodore Roosevelt
April 24, 1903 at Gardiner, Montana
Speech dedicating the North Entrance Arch
http://www.yellowstone-natl-park.com/arch.htm
I know, but they were Canadian Wolves, and so, in the true Canadian Tradition, I was apologizing.
;-)
No apology needed.
I have not said hello in a while.
Well 'hi' right back at you!
We ping and post, and forget to say hi. Silly people. ;-)
"...the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service "put wolves in Yellowstone Park" and created a recovery area 300 miles around the park..."
Well, that's the contention.
Does F & S have the authority to establish a "recovery area?"
Says who?
Is the recovery area established by the congressional mandate? I don't think so.
As I mentioned, F & S is not allowed under congressional mandate to be growing 1,300 Canadian grey wolves in Yellowstone and surrounding environs.
The original number of wolves was 300, give or take 10 or so.
Now I might be wrong and I'm willing to be corrected.
What are the local federal district judges saying about this obvious nullification of congressional intent by the usual unelected bureaucrats?
The USFWS is trying to make the whole country into a wildlife recovery zone.
IMO.
For example, federal biologists got caught using hairs from the same lynx ? pelt in a clever and dishonest effort to claim that federal lands in several western states should be closed : ie, " wilderness " with removal of all existing roads and access denied to all Americans.
I agree that they do not have an congressional mandate on a massive wolf program, that I remember.
They are doing this on their own...like the other eco-nuts who use arson to " save the envirnoment. "
I also agree with your 300 number inside the park; my point was to try to note that the USFWS knew that the Canadian wolves would leave the park. Thus this introduction was not just for Yellowstone, but also for Colorado, Utah, Oregon, South Dakota...
Alas, after Teddy came Franklin D. - and Communism came with him.
Teddy hunted inside the park.
Now hunting is banned.
Look, an healthy wolfpack would go a long way toward reducing the size of the deer herd in Montgomery county. It's probably bot 100,000 or more wild deer in it, nearly starving, and nobody will do anything about it.
Yep, from what I recall, you've got it about right.
I don't have the research in front of me, but I recall our local "wolf expert" sent one of his doctoral candidates out to Yellowstone to study wolf predation on the elk herd. She pretty much concluded that the wolves were pigging out on lots and lots of elk steak. Her research was backed by state biologists who also noted that moose were disappearing.
Now some might argue that wolves gobbling up some large percentage of elk makes the herd stronger, but the missing elk is bad news for hunters and wildlife watchers.
Anyway, the wolf-elk predation study was pretty much sh*t-canned by the powers that be. Since then, I guess that things are still going on as they're going. I haven't looked at the Yellowstone situation for awhile and maybe the wolves are lying with the elk and angels are descending to earth and singing hozzanahs.
Anyway, there's people a whole lot more knowledgable than me and have intimate knowledge and updated opinions about the Yellowstone pack.
I just have big bunches of problems with professors or bureaucrats telling me what the wolf situation is anywhere.
I got pretty much converted to that opinion when this wolf expert I talked to told me moose were disappearing because of global warming. I next expected him to tell me that icecubes melt in summer, but he wouldn't commit.
The last professor "wolf expert" I talked to told me that unless the wolf problem is fixed in Wisconsin, the citizens will fix the wolf problem.
He's right. They did. And they are continuing to do so. Him I respect.
If Teddy were President today, there would be a hunting season on Liberals tomorrow - probably one with no bag limit, no minimum, and open all year.
Don't forget those Canadian Geese too :-)
Take them all...please. They are wiping out the elk, moose and mule deer in Idaho. Coyotes and West Nile virus are wiping out much of the upland game birds this year. I've seen more moose in Pocatello than I've ever seen in Yellowstone. I visit Yellowstone fairly frequently.
( notice the dog )
We should send thousands of wolves, bears, lions, coyotes...to Central Park in NYC or to DC or to LA or Boston...
as the liberals seem to love the predators so much.
We live in north central Wisconsin. It has been interesting to note that the coyotes are coming out in the daytime now, sometimes by twos and threes...whereas we usually only hear them at night. We saw a wolf cross the field last winter, but just a couple of weeks ago when we went for a walk in the woods the kids (teenagers) got up from where they were sitting and saw a big brown wolf walking away from them a short distance away. It was fascinating for them to see but concerning since he was not afraid of them in the least. Even here they are growing more plentiful.
We see signs in the neighborhood that say things like : Have you seen my cute dog muffin ?
We know that a pack had lunch.
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