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Physicists seek to put one thing in two places
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| 25 Sept 2006
Posted on 09/26/2006 4:23:06 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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Physicists seek to put one thing in two places
Sept. 25, 2006 Special to World Science Physicists say they have made an object move just by watching it. This is inspiring them to a still bolder project: putting a small, ordinary thing into two places at once.
It may be a fantasy, admits Keith Schwab of Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., one of the researchers. Then again, the first effect seemed that way not long ago, and the second is related.
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 The gray sliver reaching from top to bottom, slanted in the image, is a nanomechanical resonator, a sub-microscopic device that can vibrate like a piano string. The image was taken with a scanning electron microscope and colorized. (Courtesy Cornell University)
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The research comes from the edge of quantum mechanics, the submicroscopic realm of fundamental particles. There, things behave with total disregard for our common sense.
They can show signs of being in two places at once; of being both waves and particles; of taking on some characteristics only at the moment these are measured; and of acting synchronously while far apart, with no apparent way to communicate.
Although these tiny building blocks of our universe do this, the relatively huge things we see every day dont. The uncanny behavior fades the bigger a thing becomes.
This is because when quantum entities are combined to make ordinary objects, the rules governing each components behavior add up to produce new rules. These increasingly resemble the laws of our familiar world as more additions take place.
But just how big can something be and still show signs of slipping back into its quantum-mechanical nature?
Schwab and his colleagues decided to find out. In work described in the Sept. 14 issue of the research journal Nature, they built a device colossal by quantum standards: about nine thousandths of a millimeter long, containing some 10 trillion atoms.
The object was a sliver of aluminum and a type of ceramic, fixed at both ends but free to vibrate like a guitar string in between. To measure its movements, the scientists set nearby a tiny detector called a superconducting single electron transistor.
They found that random motions of charge-carrying particles, electrons, in the detector emanated forces that affected the metallic sliver. When the detector was tuned for maximum sensitivity, these forces slowed down the slivers shaking, cooling it as a result. This effect, Schwab said, is a basically quantum-mechanical phenomenon called back-action, in which the act of observing something actually gives it a nudge.
Back-action in quantum mechanics also makes it impossible to know a particles exact location and speed simultaneously. This limitation is called the uncertainty principle. A common example: measuring place and speed requires some detector that can see the particle. But this involves bouncing a light wave off it, which gives it a random push.
We made measurements of position that are so intenseso strongly coupledthat by looking at it we can make it move, said Schwab. Normally, such motion wouldnt cool an object. But the motion can be such as to oppose ongoing movements and slow them down. This reduces an objects heat, which is just the jiggling of particles in it.
If back-action applies such a large item, Schwab reasons, maybe that can also be true of other quantum-mechanical rules. Particularly intriguing, he said, is the superposition principle, which holds that a particle can be in two places at once.
A classic example is the shooting of light particles, called photons, through two slits in a barrier. Past the slits, they will behave as if they were waves. This alone is no surprise: its a well-known quantum mechanical phenomenon that particles can paradoxically act like waves in some situations. The photons waviness then makes them interfere with each other. In other words, they make patterns like those seen when you toss two pebbles in a pond, and the ripples they send out overlap.
When the waves passing the two slits mutually interfere, the pattern becomes visible if you set up another wall where the particles can land. There, alternating bright and dark stripes appear.
But bizarrely, this works even if you fire just one photon at a time through the slits. You can see the effect then by putting photographic film on the landing wall, so each photon leaves a lasting mark. Keep firing photons, and the marks gradually add up to make the stripes again.
Its as if each photon is interfering with itselfthat is, going through both slits simultaneously. This also works for bigger particles, up to a point. But what point? Schwab wants to know. Were trying to make a mechanical device be in two places at one time. Whats really neat is it looks like we should be able to do it, he said. The hope, the dream, the fantasy is that we get that superposition and start making bigger devices and find the breakdown.
In a commentary in the same issue of Nature, Michael Roukes of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif., wrote that Schwabs work with the cooling is part of an emerging field, quantum electromechanics. This, he added, focuses on submicroscopic devices called nanomechanical systems, poised midway between two seemingly antithetic domains of size: fundamental particles at one end, the objects of everyday life at the other.
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TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Technical
KEYWORDS: entanglement; physics; quantummechanics; superposition; waveparticleduality; weirdstuff
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; grey_whiskers; PatrickHenry; headsonpikes; Iris7; Junior; ...
To: snarks_when_bored
Trying hard to understand the explanation of how looking at something can actually nudge it. Where do the electrons come from when we look at something? Yes, I know I am a moron. Very interesting post.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:33:00 AM PDT
by
Wage Slave
(Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
To: snarks_when_bored
"Physicists say they have made an object move just by watching it."
Physicists have a habit of describing what they have discovered in ways that interest the public, but are not really accurate--at least not accurate if you would ask the average guy.
If you've got a particle, you can't just "watch it." It's too small. You use a probe to see if it's there. Or you might shine a light on it, if it's big enough. You use high tech equipment to measure its charge, and that will give away its position.
Of course, when you do any of those things, the particle is nudged a little bit. When you touch it with a probe, shine light on it, or test its charge, it moves.
It would be more accurate to say that they are making it move by "touching it," but then that would not be such a big headline.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:39:06 AM PDT
by
Brilliant
To: Wage Slave
It's not the looking at something that moves it. See my earlier post. What moves it is that you can't see it unless you bounce something off it, like light or electrons, or something else. Your eye detects the light that comes from the object, but first the light has got to reflect off the object.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:42:14 AM PDT
by
Brilliant
To: Wage Slave
Trying hard to understand the explanation of how looking at something can actually nudge it.
Wink wink, nudge nudge.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:43:03 AM PDT
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SlowBoat407
(I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
To: Wage Slave
Trying hard to understand the explanation of how looking at something can actually nudge it.Sometimes I can look at a woman and actually move her 10 feet or more... away from me.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:43:47 AM PDT
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SlowBoat407
(I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
To: Wage Slave
Trying hard to understand the explanation of how looking at something can actually nudge it. Where do the electrons come from when we look at something?
Electrons interact with other electrons via the electromagnetic interaction, which is mediated by photons. If no photons are exchanged, no interaction take place (ignoring virtual photons and tunneling subtleties). So, essentially, if no photons are exchanged, nothing is seen, and if photons are exchanged, a disturbance in the motion of the seen (and the seer) takes place.
To: snarks_when_bored
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:46:12 AM PDT
by
Loyalist
(Social justice isn't; social studies aren't; social work doesn't.)
To: Brilliant
Okie dokie. Got it. Thanks!
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:46:53 AM PDT
by
Wage Slave
(Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
To: SlowBoat407
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:47:21 AM PDT
by
Wage Slave
(Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
To: SlowBoat407
I have the same mystical power over men.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:49:24 AM PDT
by
Wage Slave
(Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
To: snarks_when_bored
looking for love in both the wrong places
To: Wage Slave
What time did you want me over again? : )
To: snarks_when_bored
Physicists say they have made an object move just by watching it.
I can do that after several bourbons. I can even put the same object in 2 or 3 places at the same time. Nothing new here.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:52:57 AM PDT
by
saganite
(Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
To: snarks_when_bored
hmmmmm.....are you an auto mechanic?? ;)
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:53:32 AM PDT
by
Wage Slave
(Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
To: Hand em their arse
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:55:18 AM PDT
by
Wage Slave
(Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
To: snarks_when_bored
Bill CLinton seems to have done that all the time. He also could see all three sides of a two-sided issue. I think we should give him a Nobel Prize for Physics and let him mount it in the museum down in Hope, Ark.
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posted on
09/26/2006 4:57:12 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
(Robert Heinlein's 5 grades of coffee: Java, Cafe, Jamocha, Joe, Carbon Remover)
To: Wage Slave
hmmmmm.....are you an auto mechanic?? ;)
No, a voyeur. (laugh)
To: snarks_when_bored
works even without photons or any particle exchanged with a detector.
If you obeserve interference of a single photon with itself on a double slit it is strange enough - because it seems to contradict the fact that it is only ONE photon. But even more strange - if you detect which slit it DID NOT take - interference will brake down.
Either you know, where a particle is a distinct time OR you know what impulse it has (speed, mass and direction) that's a LAW not a desricption of the unfitness of scientist or technicians to measure more precise.
Seeing the interference defines wich impulse the photon had so you can't have that AND know where it was at a certain time - even if you have found that out by looking where it NOT has been leaving it only one possibility.
A more abstract explanation might be given by string theory.
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posted on
09/26/2006 5:00:33 AM PDT
by
Rummenigge
(there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
To: SlowBoat407
but can they put things on top of other things?
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posted on
09/26/2006 5:17:20 AM PDT
by
tm61
To: tm61
That would confuse the cat (Schroedinger's Cat, of course). There, I've run rings around you logically!
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posted on
09/26/2006 5:18:47 AM PDT
by
SlowBoat407
(I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
To: Brilliant
It would be more accurate to say that they are making it move by "touching it,"
Very good point!
To: snarks_when_bored
Physicists say they have made an object move just by watching it.(Laz looks at his crotch)
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posted on
09/26/2006 5:24:34 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(Islam is a pathological disorder masquerading as a religion.)
To: snarks_when_bored
"Physicists say they have made an object move just by watching it." Hell, my mother could do that!............."Take out the garbage"....."Mow the lawn"......etc......
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posted on
09/26/2006 5:30:49 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Is Castro DEAD YET?........)
To: Wage Slave
I have the same mystical power over men. [droning monotone] ...she has the same mystical power over men...
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posted on
09/26/2006 5:42:53 AM PDT
by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: SlowBoat407
Sometimes I can look at a woman and actually move her 10 feet or more... away from me.
Ahh, yes, I possess this same power as well. Perhaps we are strong in the force?
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:01:25 AM PDT
by
JamesP81
(The answer always lies with more freedom; not less)
To: snarks_when_bored
All I want to know is - does the Cat live?
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:08:56 AM PDT
by
headsonpikes
(Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
To: JamesP81
Perhaps we are strong in the force?My brother, we are strong in something.
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:11:23 AM PDT
by
SlowBoat407
(I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
To: headsonpikes
All I want to know is - does the Cat live?
Yes and No.
To: snarks_when_bored; headsonpikes
All I want to know is - does the Cat live? Did Schroedinger ever have to change his kitty litter?
To: snarks_when_bored
A new variation of the old boson-fermian trick?
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:28:11 AM PDT
by
onedoug
To: snarks_when_bored
Physicists seek to put one thing in two places Big deal. So do porn stars.
To: snarks_when_bored
Sounds almost, well, Newtonian.
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:29:32 AM PDT
by
jwalsh07
To: snarks_when_bored
Yes and No. And here I thought it was Yes and/or No. This new sort of physics is obviously less inclusive.
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:30:34 AM PDT
by
headsonpikes
(Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
To: snarks_when_bored
"This effect, Schwab said, is a basically quantum-mechanical phenomenon called back-action, in which the act of observing something actually gives it a nudge." Ahah! Eureka! Forsooth! Verily! Is there a possibility that a tree falling in the forest makes no sound unless someone is listening?
To: grey_whiskers
All I want to know is - does the Cat live?Did Schroedinger ever have to change his kitty litter?
See post #30.
To: lonevoice
To: headsonpikes
To: snarks_when_bored
Physicists seek to put one thing in two places Which is why Schrödinger used cats for his famous thought experiment. A cat could be meowing in front of her food bowl, knocking things off of her favorite shelf and getting under your feet simultaneously. Cats are also good at quantum tunneling where you can block all paths from point A to point B but the cat still moves between them.
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:53:46 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Dems - Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet few of you have heart enough to join them.)
To: snarks_when_bored
Okay. I have noticed that my dog, Dixie, is IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME! I have hesitated to mention it to anyone, but this discovery explains it and makes it sort of okay to reveal it. - Well, anyway, during the day when I'm at the back door and look out - there stands Dixie waiting for me to pass her a treat out the back door. Then in a minute or so, when I move to the side door and look out, THERE STANDS DIXIE, tongue hanging out waiting for me to hand her out another slice of baloney or dog biscuit or something. There is NO WAY Dixie could run fast enough to be at both doors so soon. It is weird. In fact, her dry kibbles bin empties out so fast one would have to think there really are TWO Dixies living here.
And that's the way it is . . just another day here at Black Rock River Ranch, and such a comfort that science is finally explaining the strange happenings here at the ranch.
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posted on
09/26/2006 6:57:07 AM PDT
by
Twinkie
(Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
To: snarks_when_bored
"... made an object move just by watching it." Not really. Simply an admission that for very tiny objects, the light that illuminates them can also give a tiny push.
I don't suppose they are willing to claim they can make an object move by watching it in the dark.
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:12:08 AM PDT
by
NicknamedBob
(If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
To: snarks_when_bored
I once knew a guy named Vinnie who ended up in several places at once. In small, green, trash bags...
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:18:58 AM PDT
by
Junior
(I kn)
To: snarks_when_bored
The gray sliver reaching from top to bottom, slanted in the image, is a nanomechanical resonator, a sub-microscopic device that can vibrate like a piano string. The image was taken with a scanning electron microscope and colorized. BZZZZT. PARITY EXCEPTION IE00007E00013A. GUTEN ABEND.
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:29:32 AM PDT
by
Erasmus
(I invited Benoit Mandelbrot to the Shoreline Grill, but he never got there.)
To: snarks_when_bored
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:32:14 AM PDT
by
dangerdoc
(dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
To: SlowBoat407
Who do you think he is, a bloody Doctor Bronowski?????!
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:40:42 AM PDT
by
Erasmus
(I invited Benoit Mandelbrot to the Shoreline Grill, but he never got there.)
To: snarks_when_bored
Nothing is fundamental. There is always something smaller.
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:41:33 AM PDT
by
Boiler Plate
(Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
To: Boiler Plate
Nothing is fundamental. There is always something smaller.
Maybe it's turtles all the way down?
To: snarks_when_bored
is it not a fundamental law of physics that no object can be in two places at the same time?
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posted on
09/26/2006 7:51:26 AM PDT
by
jpsb
To: snarks_when_bored
I can make guys on the golf channel miss a putt, just by thinking.
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