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Hyde: 'I'd Like to Do Impeachment Again'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | Sept 24, 2006 | Bob Novak

Posted on 09/25/2006 12:29:21 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

Robert Novak Hyde: 'I'd like to do impeachment again'

September 24, 2006

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

WASHINGTON -- Only weeks remain in the legendary political career of Republican Rep. Henry Hyde.

He leaves the House of Representatives at year's end after 32 years representing his Chicago west suburban district. He is proud of his accomplishments and candid about his failures, qualities that have made him one of the most respected and best-liked members of Congress.

A former basketball star at St. George High School in Evanston and Georgetown University, Hyde has been a formidable presence on the House floor as one of its most effective -- and most feared -- orators. Last Tuesday night, as friends and supporters gathered at the J.W. Marriott Hotel here to pay tribute, Hyde was confined by back and knee troubles to a seated position, and his once booming voice was barely audible. But the eloquence survived as he repeated this advice to new members of Congress: "If you don't know the principles on which you're prepared to stand and lose, if necessary, then you shouldn't get into this arena."

A few days earlier, he had dispensed his familiar blend of candor and determination as I sat across from his desk in the Rayburn House Office Building.

He critiqued the role that raised his national pro The end of civility on the Hill

He expressed both satisfaction and disappointment over his record as principal legislative foe of abortion. Preparing to leave the House that he loves, Hyde mourned the death of civility during three decades on Capitol Hill.

Hyde, 82, has been a congressional generalist in an era of specialization, equally at home with social issues and national security. He became so involved in intelligence that he told me, during the Reagan administration, he would welcome appointment as CIA director even at the cost of leaving Congress. He relinquished his elected post as chairman of the House Republican Conference to accept the Judiciary Committee chairmanship, which was followed by his current position heading the International Relations Committee.

His reputation grew as the House's premier orator, his booming voice assailing congressional term limits and radical disarmament.

The Hyde Amendment

"He's the rare member," Vice President Dick Cheney told Tuesday's dinner, "who can bring the House to silence merely by stepping to the well."

Hyde's name will be engraved in history books for what he accomplished in his second year of Congress: passage of the Hyde Amendment barring federal funds for abortion on demand. Renewed regularly, it is Hyde's proudest accomplishment. "This has had its effect over the years, and I'm proud of it," he told me.

"There is no greater accomplishment," said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert at Tuesday's dinner.

But Hyde told me he was "terribly disappointed" by inability to do more to stop abortion. "If I can be candid," said the Catholic layman, "what disappoints me most are Catholics who vote for abortion. You see in their biographies they mention their religion -- Roman Catholic. But a lot of them vote for abortion, and that's a great disappointment."

Low point

He has no apologies for prosecuting Clinton, but told me: "I'd like to go back and do the impeachment again." He explained: "I was soft on the treatment we received from the Senate. We couldn't produce a witness without their permission. I should have had the president come in and testify. And if the Senate wouldn't let me, I should have gone before the body and Chief Justice Rehnquist and made a motion. That would have dramatized that the Senate was not letting us try our case. A lot of things could have been done differently."

The impeachment fight brought the low point in Hyde's public life when an online magazine reported he had an extramarital affair 30 years earlier. "That was one of the most depressing periods in my life when that came up," he told me.

I asked Hyde whether the world is better or worse than when he arrived in Washington in 1975. "I wouldn't say it's better," he replied. "It's faster, more opulent. We have more ways to amuse ourselves."

He blamed the "telecommunications explosion" for causing House members to stay late to take advantage of C-SPAN. "Also, the press seems more involved in issues rather than standing back and being reportorial," Hyde added.

Moving home

Hyde worries about his Republican Party ("I think we are in massive trouble") and the profession of politics generally: "We have denigrated politics so much that nobody wants to touch it. You have to be half nuts to want to run for office and subject yourself to being dragged through the mud, having to raise all kinds of money, having to defend yourself against negative attacks. The caliber of office-seekers is dwindling, deteriorating and diminishing."

Hyde is moving back to the Chicago area to spend the rest of his life. "I tell people I'm going to write 'Welcome to Wood Dale' on the back of souvenir turtles," he told me, adding he may write a journal of his experiences in the 1986 Iran-contra investigation.

Henry Hyde will be missed, and not merely for his humor and good fellowship. He made no political calculations in pointing out the failure of administration policy in Colombia or Afghanistan. He alone in Congress has taken the unpopular and politically unproductive course of defending beleaguered Christians in Israel. With Hyde gone, nobody will be there to defend them. He is unique and irreplaceable.


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1 posted on 09/25/2006 12:29:22 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

So great, if they managed to Impeach Clinton, all that we would have gotten was Algore in the White House, and he would have been the Incumbent in 2000. Frankly, we were better off leaving Clinton in the White House. Gore would have been a disaster.


2 posted on 09/25/2006 12:30:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: gopwinsin04

He has been a good, solid man in office.

I am sorry to see him go, but I know he deserves his own life now.


3 posted on 09/25/2006 12:31:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: gopwinsin04

Someone else will get a chance with Hillary soon enough.


4 posted on 09/25/2006 12:34:22 PM PDT by mhx
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To: dfwgator
"Gore would have been IS a disaster."

There. Now it reads better. :0)
5 posted on 09/25/2006 12:34:34 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: dfwgator
So great, if they managed to Impeach Clinton, all that we would have gotten was Algore in the White House, and he would have been the Incumbent in 2000. Frankly, we were better off leaving Clinton in the White House. Gore would have been a disaster.

Yes, that indeed proved to be true. However, you really can't fault anyone for not realizing what a moonbat Gore would turn out to be - he kept a lot of it hidden for quite a while.
6 posted on 09/25/2006 12:34:35 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: gopwinsin04
We have denigrated politics so much that nobody wants to touch it.

Henry Hyde's pretty good but I don't know what he's talking about here. Seems to me there's no end of people wanting to run for office and political talk is on the tube and Internet 24/7.

7 posted on 09/25/2006 12:37:30 PM PDT by what's up
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To: gopwinsin04
"I was soft on the treatment we received from the Senate. We couldn't produce a witness without their permission. I should have had the president come in and testify. And if the Senate wouldn't let me, I should have gone before the body and Chief Justice Rehnquist and made a motion. That would have dramatized that the Senate was not letting us try our case. A lot of things could have been done differently."

Lots our elected officials lost their nerve - just too many skeletons in the closet, I suspect.

8 posted on 09/25/2006 12:39:18 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus

Or perhaps, too many FBI reports in Hillary's office that would be "leaked" to the press if any of them had gotten close to nailing Clinton and hs ol' lady!


9 posted on 09/25/2006 12:45:46 PM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: dfwgator

Clinton was impeached but he wasn't convicted.


10 posted on 09/25/2006 12:46:45 PM PDT by Mercat (Show me what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.)
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To: gopwinsin04
the low point in Hyde's public life when an online magazine reported he had an extramarital affair 30 years earlier.

That was relevant to the discussion? "Nice" lib tactics.

11 posted on 09/25/2006 12:49:49 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: rhombus

Congressman Hyde my have regrets but his closing statement at the Senate Trial should be nailed to the doors of the Capitol.


12 posted on 09/25/2006 12:56:27 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Islamofacists; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.)
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To: gopwinsin04

32 years! It is hard to believe so much time has elapsed since Henry Hyde took his place in the Senate! I am sorry that retirement time has rolled around for him. He possesses presidential material if there ever was such a thing, and America will feel the loss of his leaving. I look forward to his writings, and I hope that Senator Hyde will continue to serve in a counselling capacity for many years to come. Thank you, Henry Hyde, and God bless you.


13 posted on 09/25/2006 12:58:35 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: NewLand
the low point in Hyde's public life when an online magazine reported he had an extramarital affair 30 years earlier.

I never understood why Hyde did not defend himself against the apparently false charges by the Clinton Machine that he had an extramarital affair. Hyde has been a long time supporter of family values and a Congressional leader for the Pro Life Movement. He should not have fought those accusations in the media and saved his reputation.

14 posted on 09/25/2006 1:03:48 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton (Texan Pride)
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To: gopwinsin04


I like Henry Hyde, but it's hard to Impeach a philanderer when you've had a mistress of your own.

Sad, but true.
15 posted on 09/25/2006 1:04:11 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: Uncle Slayton
I never understood why Hyde did not defend himself against the apparently false charges by the Clinton Machine that he had an extramarital affair.

Do you have any more info? I want to believe you.
16 posted on 09/25/2006 1:05:32 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: dfwgator

I'm reading (slogging painfully) through John Dean's book "Conservatives Without Conscience." He agrees but not for your reason.

It's a mishmash of "epirical data," opinion, "facts," and a sorta, kinda tied together conclusion that Bush, Cheney et al really ARE the devil.

You have to read it. I wish FR had a book review section.


17 posted on 09/25/2006 1:06:59 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: Paperdoll

Henry Hyde has never had a Senate seat.


18 posted on 09/25/2006 1:07:07 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: motzman
Hyde was perhaps the first Modern Day "Family Values" Representative in Washington. Remember, he came into office in 1975 when American Values were going down hill or nonexistent. He literally brought life to the Pro Life Movement and always stood for what is good for America.

There is no way that a man with such Christian Values would have had an affair and much more likely that the Clintons and the MSM were out to get Hyde.
19 posted on 09/25/2006 1:09:44 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton (Texan Pride)
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To: All
He alone in Congress has taken the unpopular and politically unproductive course of defending beleaguered Christians in Israel.

Anyone know WTF this is about? I don't recall hearing much about Christians being persecuted in Israel...Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, sure...but Israel?? Is this some kind of lib-tard dig at the Izzies?

20 posted on 09/25/2006 1:13:42 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.)
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To: Paperdoll

I'd like to suggest that you have not followed his career very carefully - and that you didn't read the article - if you think Henry Hyde was EVER in the Senate.


21 posted on 09/25/2006 1:15:48 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Alter Kaker

>Henry Hyde has never had a seat in the Senate.<


Okay, Congress then. Thank you for the correction.


22 posted on 09/25/2006 1:16:19 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Uncle Slayton

Yeah... see... the inconvenient part in terms of that is that it happened to be true. That makes a defense a little tricky. :)


23 posted on 09/25/2006 1:16:35 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
How can the allegations that Hyde had an extramarital affair be true? He has always been a leader of family values in the Congress. Moreover, why would he tell Novak, "That was one of the most depressing periods in my life when that came up," if it were true?

Why would he get depressed over an accusation that was true?
24 posted on 09/25/2006 1:20:51 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton (Texan Pride)
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To: gopwinsin04

I had no idea he is 82 years old.


25 posted on 09/25/2006 1:29:25 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Mercat

Wasn't Clinton convicted of perjury? And that's why he was barred--lost his license to practice law?


26 posted on 09/25/2006 1:30:28 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: Uncle Slayton
I found this....

On September 16, 1998, Hyde issued the following statement: "The statute of limitations has long since passed on my youthful indiscretions. Suffice it to say Cherie Snodgrass and I were good friends a long, long time ago. After Mr. Snodgrass confronted my wife, the friendship ended, and my marriage remained intact. The only purpose for this being dredged up now is an obvious attempt to intimidate me and it won’t work. I intend to fulfill my constitutional duty and deal judiciously with the serious felony allegations presented to Congress in the Starr report." (Bernstein, 54)

I'll keep digging....
27 posted on 09/25/2006 1:45:59 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: Uncle Slayton
Now, this is from Salon so I can't vouch for it's veracity, but it does not look good...

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NOTE:(Soskin is the new married name of Cherie Snodgrass)

Soskin was trying to keep a low profile on Thursday as reporters throughout the country began hunting for her. She did not return a phone call from Salon. But in an interview with her hometown newspaper, the San Antonio Express-News, Soskin said Hyde also lied to her about his marital status during their affair. "I did not know he was married," she told the newspaper. "He portrayed himself as a single person, and I didn't bother to check or anything like that."

Soskin told her daughter that she knew Hyde was involved in at least one other adulterous relationship besides the one he had with her.

Soskin told the Express-News that her marriage with Fred Snodgrass was falling apart when she met Hyde, whom she called Hank. Snodgrass, whose account of the affair in Wednesday's Salon set off a political furor in Washington, again blasted Hyde on Thursday. "He had an affair with a young woman with three children," said Snodgrass. "At least the president didn't do that." (my note: Hmmm...-could be a Dem?)

FWIW
28 posted on 09/25/2006 1:53:55 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: dfwgator

I liked the way the Clinton case was adjudicated. He was impeached, but not removed from office. Making Gore president would have been catastrophic and would have made it easier for him to win the 2000 election. Impeachment was good enough to put a stain on Clinton's legacy.


29 posted on 09/25/2006 2:00:35 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Uncle Slayton

You don't remember him admitting it? How did you miss that?


30 posted on 09/25/2006 2:05:47 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: motzman
I like Henry Hyde, but it's hard to Impeach a philanderer when you've had a mistress of your own.

Sad, but true.

Sigh...THEY WEREN'T IMPEACHING A PHILANDERER...they were impeaching someone who lied under oath.

31 posted on 09/25/2006 2:09:09 PM PDT by Hildy (Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party house)
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To: Hildy
Sigh...THEY WEREN'T IMPEACHING A PHILANDERER...they were impeaching someone who lied under oath.

TRUE, but it's best not to have a "philanderer" lead the charge against another philanderer accused of perjury, don't you think?

Perhaps if Henry Hyde disclosed his "indescretion(s)" prior to being outed, he may have had a bit more moral authority, no? Same goes for Newt.

It did not help the cause, period.
32 posted on 09/25/2006 2:28:27 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: motzman

Same also goes for Bob Livingston. They were really coming out of the woodwork at that time.


33 posted on 09/25/2006 2:29:59 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: beezdotcom

He would have had the Jerry Ford effect if he was the new president.


34 posted on 09/25/2006 2:32:01 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (".... We are a nation of Americans. We are DECENDED from legal immigrants"- johnandrhonda)
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To: motzman

Even worse was Newt which is why when some people on here tout him for President, I want to scream!


35 posted on 09/25/2006 2:32:19 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Oust Brad Henry from the OK Governor's Mansion. Go Sooners!)
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To: motzman
The statute of limitations has long since passed on my youthful indiscretions.

A youthful indiscretion at when he was in his forties or fifties? I wonder if I could use that as an excuse with my wife now that I am 45?

36 posted on 09/25/2006 2:36:27 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: motzman

Too bad clinton wasn't impeached for being a philanderer.....duh.


37 posted on 09/25/2006 2:51:24 PM PDT by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: MamaLucci
Too bad clinton wasn't impeached for being a philanderer.....duh.

He wasn't impeached for being a philanderer. He was impeached for committing perjury and obstructing justice to hide his philandering----DUH.
38 posted on 09/25/2006 2:54:46 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: motzman
He wasn't impeached for being a philanderer. He was impeached for committing perjury and obstructing justice to hide his philandering........

Precisley, which is why your comment equating Congressman Henry Hyde with BJ Clinton is ridiculous.

39 posted on 09/25/2006 3:14:59 PM PDT by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Revenge of Sith

Everyone keeps stating that Big Al would have been a disaster, but think again. I think the terrible lesson that we were reminded of again yesterday is that Clinton couldn't handle the scandals and the national security of the country at the same time. Remember when Presidents/ politicians resigned "for the good of the country? Clinton's resignation would certainly would have been preferrable to the nasty fight and the lack of focus that he had. Maybe Al would have even stumbled on to national security (---good grief what a charitable thought for who is now an unhinged jackass).


40 posted on 09/25/2006 3:17:45 PM PDT by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first.)
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To: MamaLucci
Precisley, which is why your comment equating Congressman Henry Hyde with BJ Clinton is ridiculous.

Remember the Clintonoid defense?

"It's all about sex---everyone lies about sex"

Why did that defense work?

Those pushing the case were adulterers themselves who (by definition) lie about sex.

Here's a hypothetical--After being kissed on the cheek by Helen Thomas, Bush goes on a drunken bender, jumps behind the wheel of an Oldsmobile, and runs over a young lady in the street. He is brought up on Impeachment charges for DWI and vehicular manslaughter.

Now, would it serve the cause of Impeachment to have Ted Kennedy lead the charge?

FYI, Kennedy only plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident.

Checkmate

Buh-bye.
41 posted on 09/25/2006 4:04:53 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: gopwinsin04
That would have dramatized that the Senate was not letting us try our case. A lot of things could have been done differently."

Yes he should have! He gave in too many times to the other side and was intimidated by the attack dogs the Clinton's hired that called themselves lawyers!

While on the subject, someone should make sure the sealed files are opened and told to the public BEFORE Hillary manages to get herself in that White House!

42 posted on 09/25/2006 4:08:08 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

I wonder if you have a copy of it that you could link?


43 posted on 09/25/2006 4:09:46 PM PDT by condi2008
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To: gopwinsin04

I like to fire all the GOP Senators that left Clinton off.


44 posted on 09/25/2006 4:11:35 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: gopwinsin04
"Also, the press seems more involved in issues rather than standing back and being reportorial," Hyde added.

That's an understatement of the press that creates news.

45 posted on 09/25/2006 4:12:02 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: motzman


It was about Clinton lying under oath, not about Hyde's personal life.


46 posted on 09/25/2006 4:13:28 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx
It was about Clinton lying under oath, not about Hyde's personal life.

OF COURSE IT WAS!!!

But, you can't have a prosecutor who is an adulterer prosecute someone accused of a crime stemming from adultery and expect to win in the court of public opinion. Especially against a "popular" President during "prosperous" times!

You guys need to re-think your strategery! ;)
47 posted on 09/25/2006 4:22:44 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: motzman

I am convinced that Jesus Christ hinself could have tried Clinton and Clinton's followers, fellow democrats and fawning press would have still circled the wagons in his defense.


48 posted on 09/25/2006 4:29:22 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx
I am convinced that Jesus Christ hinself could have tried Clinton and Clinton's followers, fellow democrats and fawning press would have still circled the wagons in his defense.

I agree. But they got the "undecided/independants" by pointing out GOP philandering. By the end of the whole deal, the Republicans looked really bad to the apolitical. And those apolitical people are important tools to opinion shapers.

I remember time and again arguing with neutral/lib-leaning people about the vileness of Clinton only to be hit by the "everyone does it" defense, which is hard to counter with "but they're not lying under oath" to the non-political.

It stinks, but that's reality.
49 posted on 09/25/2006 4:38:51 PM PDT by motzman (zoom zoom)
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To: motzman

There's a double standard and the GOP usually cave. I cite Bob Livingston as another example where this double standard was applied.


50 posted on 09/25/2006 4:40:40 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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