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Jane, We Hardly Knew Ye Died (U.S. female military fatalities in Iraq, Afghanistan & Middle East)
NY Times ^ | September 24, 2006 | LIZETTE ALVAREZ

Posted on 09/24/2006 3:28:12 PM PDT by neverdem

LT. EMILY J. T. PEREZ, 23, a West Point graduate who outran many men, directed a gospel choir and read the Bible every day, was at the head of a weekly convoy as it rolled down roads pocked with bombs and bullets near Najaf. As platoon leader, she insisted on leading her troops from the front.

Two weeks ago, one of those bombs tripped her up, detonating near her Humvee in Kifl, south of Baghdad. She died Sept. 12, the 64th woman from the United States military to be killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Eight died in Vietnam.

Despite longstanding predictions that America would shudder to see its women coming home in coffins, Lieutenant Perez’s death, and those of the other women, the majority of whom died from hostile fire (the 65th died in a Baghdad car bombing a day later), have stirred no less — and no more — reaction at home than the nearly 2,900 male dead. The same can be said of the hundreds of wounded women.

There is no shortage of guesses as to why: Americans are no longer especially shocked by the idea of a woman’s violent death. Most don’t know how many women have fallen, or under what circumstances. Photographs of body bags and coffins are rarely seen. And nobody wants to kick up a fuss and risk insulting grieving families.

“The public doesn’t seem concerned they are dying,” said Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University who has closely studied national service. “They would rather have someone else's daughter die than their son.”

What’s more, no one in the strained military is eager to engage in a debate about women and the risks they are taking in Iraq because, quite simply, the women are sorely needed in this modern-day insurgent conflict. As...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; americahate; iraq; militarypersonnel; nytreasontimes; women
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The Fallen: 2006

You can link the other years from the top of each year's list. By my tally, eight were lost in aircraft accidents, fifteen were lost from natural causes or noncombat injuries and five lack specific causes, i.e. nothing is listed, or something such as "struck by vehicle." The latter may have been a real accident or an intentional hit and run. The rest were in combat. FWIW, according to this link, there were 47,359 hostile deaths and 10,797 non-hostile deaths of our forces in Vietnam. May God rest all of their souls.

1 posted on 09/24/2006 3:28:13 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Some people are just too good for this earth. We don't get to keep them.


2 posted on 09/24/2006 3:32:35 PM PDT by Fairview
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To: neverdem

Totally sad. Never mind the Times' blatant effort to mine propaganda value from this, it's sad no matter how you put it.


3 posted on 09/24/2006 3:38:29 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: neverdem
“They would rather have someone else's daughter die than their son.”

That's a pretty sick blanket accusation to make.

4 posted on 09/24/2006 3:39:58 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: neverdem
“The public doesn’t seem concerned they are dying,” said Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University who has closely studied national service. “They would rather have someone else's daughter die than their son.”

Judging from this garbage, a "military sociologist" must be something you do when the burger job and the pizza delivery job doesn't pan out. It sounds to me like the Lefties figured if they could get women into combat jobs, America would stop participating in wars. Dumb plan.

5 posted on 09/24/2006 3:41:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can't defeat your enemy unless you are willing to get down in the mud with him.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

As usual, they misjudge human nature. It's their way.


6 posted on 09/24/2006 3:46:55 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: neverdem

"There is no shortage of guesses as to why: Americans are no longer especially shocked by the idea of a woman’s violent death."

Gee, you think it could be the relentless drum beating by the feminist left? Those who are actually happy when any member of the military is wounded or killed have led the way to have ever more women in ever more dangerous positions in the armed forces. Why don't I think they have done this for the good of the women, the service or the country?

I appreciate the service of women in the US military, but I've got a lot of problems with our current deployment of them. Esp. those who are single mothers.


7 posted on 09/24/2006 3:49:51 PM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: jocon307

"Esp. those who are single mothers."

Amen to THAT!


8 posted on 09/24/2006 3:56:54 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: neverdem

I remember Desert Storm when Marie (ashamed I don't remember her last name) flew her CH-47 into a radio antenna. She was thirty two years old. The same age then as my own daughter is now. Just a baby... God rest her soul. She was a WARRIOR!!!


9 posted on 09/24/2006 3:57:34 PM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: jocon307

Please don't think I'm being flippant here but this is what happens when we bow to the PC god of the ages. You sure don't hear the feminists raising the banner to honor these fallen women heroes (heroines is the correct term), except to USE them for political exploitation, which is what the Left is all about. That movement is totally screwed up and has done more damage to this country than many other things.

Well, may God bless and gather these women in His loving arms, their trials and tribulations are over for this world and it is up to us to remember their sacrifices in the right manner, with dignity, honor and humbleness.


10 posted on 09/24/2006 4:01:26 PM PDT by brushcop (Lt. Harris, SFC Salie, CPL Long, SPC Hornbeck, B-Co, 2/69 3ID We will remember you always.)
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To: neverdem

These days, virtually everything uttered by the NYT is profanley anti-American. This is no less so.
Almost as fulsome as the self-appointed "duty" of Grim Toll Keeper...as if the task is not tended elsewhere with considerably less personal self-agrandisment.
Gruesome and disgusting piety.


11 posted on 09/24/2006 4:02:55 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: brushcop; neverdem; All

"You sure don't hear the feminists raising the banner to honor these fallen women heroes (heroines is the correct term), except to USE them for political exploitation, which is what the Left is all about. That movement is totally screwed up and has done more damage to this country than many other things."

Amen to that! As a retired Army ODS Vet with 20 years of service under her belt, I have NEVER understood the FemiGnatzies and what they stand for, aside from destroying families and emasculating men for their own supposed "gain."

I've always said, "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Look back through History. There are PLENTY of women who picked up a plow or an axe or a shotgun when their husbands fell and just kept on truckin'. There were plenty of women who raised children on their own in the wilderness while we settled this country. There were plenty of women such as Florence Nightingale and Molly Pitcher who saw a desperate need for society...and filled it. I'll even give Carry Nation credit; though I disagree with her stance on alcohol, LOL!

It p*sses me off that the NOW hags co-oped so much of our History for their own sick, twisted reasons. Modern feminists haven't contributed SQUAT to America, other than to undermine it for political and personal gain.

Bella Abzug? Marlo Thomas? Gloria Steinem? The Code Pink-os? Ppfffft!

Shame on them. For shame!

Of our 58 fallen in Iraq from Wisconsin, three have been women. We have a handful of injured women back from Iraq as well. One lost her hearing, one lost an eye. And while it's not reported, I'm sure more than one lost a marriage in the process.

And I, too, disagree with Mothers of today of any stripe being in combat, no matter how gung-ho or dedicated to the cause. I waited until I was finished with my military career to start a family. It was unfair to me, to my country, to my future kids, and to my husband to drag them all along with me.

Women CAN have it all; we just can't have it all at once. :)


12 posted on 09/24/2006 4:20:29 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: neverdem

God speed Lieutenant Perez...you were a soldier.


13 posted on 09/24/2006 4:22:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: JohnnyZ

My thoughts too. I'm sure most patriots would rather that women not be put in such positions. Her sacrifice is duly noted.


14 posted on 09/24/2006 4:22:26 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I'm sure this "military sociologist" is really getting great on-the-job training sitting on his butt at Northwestern University and reading the MSM idiots' view of the war.

The problem with the war is not that we're fighting it. The problem is that we're fighting it with the yoke of political correctness around our necks. As long as we worry about PR and world opinion we'll always be hamstrung. Since the world hates us so much, fine. Screw it. Let's do what we need to do and quit pandering to a bunch of leftists, communists, and muslims that will hate us regardless.

Sure makes me wish that the military was still being led by guys like General Patton and Blackjack Pershing, not a bunch of perfumed princes running the war from east coast bunkers lined with TV screens.

15 posted on 09/24/2006 4:23:50 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Well said.


16 posted on 09/24/2006 4:26:05 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: brushcop

I don't think you're being flippant at all, sir.


17 posted on 09/24/2006 4:27:41 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: jocon307
"There is no shortage of guesses as to why: Americans are no longer especially shocked by the idea of a woman’s violent death."

Women fought hard to be treated like this, so fine. They're getting exactly what they asked for. It's like working your whole life to be the president and then saying, "Damn, I don't like wearing this tie."

Guys like me who have the horrible nerve to venture the opinion that women shouldn't be in the military at all get beat down by the PC Brigade, so this is what we have now. As a nation, we reap what we sow.

18 posted on 09/24/2006 4:29:43 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Very well said!!!


19 posted on 09/24/2006 4:30:41 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: neverdem

Prayers for Jane and her family.


20 posted on 09/24/2006 4:31:11 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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