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Tearing down what's left of socialism - Newly elected conservative PM of Sweden plans brisk reforms
www.thelocal.se ^ | 09/24/2006 | Delphine Toitou - AFP

Posted on 09/24/2006 1:23:22 PM PDT by WesternCulture

Brisk reforms expected from Reinfeldt

Sweden's next prime minister, newly-elected Fredrik Reinfeldt, is expected to undertake brisk economic reforms he vowed to implement once in office, namely job creation, tax cuts and privatisations, analysts say.

Reinfeldt's Moderate Party and the other parties of the Alliance for Sweden made job creation the main focus of the election campaign.

"They have a very ambitious plan for opening up the labour market with several economic incentives to get people into the labour market in the short term," SEB bank chief economist Klas Eklund told AFP.

The Alliance has proposed to cut taxes for low income earners, provide subsidies to companies that hire jobless workers, and reduce generous unemployment benefits to encourage people to go to work.

Some 50,000 jobs could be created in two or three years, said Håkan Frisen, head of economic research at SEB.

"If you have these three factors together, you could actually boost the labour market quite a lot," Eklund added.

In addition, the new government plans to make it easier for small and medium-sized companies to hire people by simplifying labour legislation and cutting corporate taxes.

The fiscal incentives are intended to make it easier to hire thousands of low-skilled or unskilled people, primarily in the services sector for jobs such as household help.

The issue is important in Sweden, where the labour market is dominated by highly-skilled workers, and where manual labour black market jobs represent seven to 10 percent of the Swedish economy, Eklund said.

"It's very expensive to hire people in Sweden because they pay very high taxes and also because of lots of legislation," he said.

Reinfeldt, who at 41 has no government experience and was largely unknown on the international scene just two weeks ago, made the battle against unemployment his top priority, accusing Prime Minister Göran Persson of offering generous handouts to the unemployed during his 10 years in government instead of helping them find work.

While official statistics put unemployment at 5.7 percent in August, experts put it closer to 17 percent when people on government job creation schemes, early retirement and long-term sick leave are taken into account.

The arrival of the right-wing in the place of the Social Democrats, who had been in power since 1994, also opens the door to a wave of sell-offs of the state's holdings in a number of companies.

The future prime minister will have a plethora of companies to choose from, with the state holding minority or majority shares in 57 companies.

"The target of (the first wave of) privatisations is 100 billion kronor during the next two years," Eklund said.

The new government is expected to first sell its holdings in listed companies, before moving on to unlisted companies.

At the top of the list are the state's 45.3 percent share in telecoms operator TeliaSonera, 21.4 percent share in the airline SAS, 19.9 percent share in banking group Nordea and 6.8 percent holding in OMX.

Reinfeldt has however not committed to a timetable for the sell-offs, noted Tomas Lindberg, chief economist at Öhman Investment Bank.

"He has said they want to get the best price possible" and will wait for the best market conditions, he said.

But the time is ripe for change and the announced measures have been welcomed by the markets, economists note.

Reinfeldt takes over the country during a period of strong economic growth, in stark contrast to the last conservative government headed by Carl Bildt which took power in 1991 and immediately faced a crippling economic crisis.

Delphine Toitou - AFP


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; moderaterna; moderates; reinfeldt; scandinavia; sweden

1 posted on 09/24/2006 1:23:27 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

I wish the new PM luck. It's very difficult to change hearts and minds after years of socialism.


2 posted on 09/24/2006 1:26:50 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: WesternCulture
Operation "Liberation Sweden" begins!


3 posted on 09/24/2006 1:27:48 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: WesternCulture

Not that the reporters covering the story are *permitted* to mention it, but this is yet another example of an anti-Iraq-war government being toppled.

Martin is gone from Canada. Schroeder is gone from Germany. Now the anti-Iraq-War government in Sweden is toppled.

Chirac in France is next.

You just aren't allowed to say the above in print or on the air.

4 posted on 09/24/2006 1:30:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: FormerACLUmember

"Operation "Liberation Sweden" begins!"

- Cheers/skål to that my friend!!


5 posted on 09/24/2006 1:30:54 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Southack

It's already too late unless the demographics change dramatically.


6 posted on 09/24/2006 1:31:04 PM PDT by Uncle Billy ("A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away all you have")
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To: WesternCulture

Do they have anything like a national system of property recordation and naturalization of persons such as corporations?


7 posted on 09/24/2006 1:34:15 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: WesternCulture

Skål! Skaal! Helan går!


8 posted on 09/24/2006 1:37:54 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Southack

When do they start deporting Muslims? That's the most important issue.


9 posted on 09/24/2006 1:38:26 PM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Southack

Not that the reporters covering the story are *permitted* to mention it, but this is yet another example of an anti-Iraq-war government being toppled.

"Martin is gone from Canada. Schroeder is gone from Germany. Now the anti-Iraq-War government in Sweden is toppled.

Chirac in France is next.

You just aren't allowed to say the above in print or on the air."

Very true.

Yet, we swedes have in fact worked together with the US in the WOT area. We've sent troops to Afghanistan (and swedish soldiers have been attacked AND killed) and our security service have cooperated a lot with the CIA and other US agencies. In connection to the US operations against Taliban as well as Saddam madness, the former government of Sweden has also declared officially that its standpoint is that "the US has a right to defend itself".

I'm not saying Sweden has done enough and I furthermore oppose the former social democratic-left- green government of Sweden in several areas, but I DO think it's a shame how the attack on the WTC has caused division in the WEST.

The West IS one and should act AS one, defending the open society.


10 posted on 09/24/2006 1:41:31 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
Here is some important background info on the new PM...

He was born in August 1965 into a family of entrepreneurs. His father ran a training company and his mother worked in recruitment. Mr Reinfeldt has cited their experience of the difficulties of business life - "the petty aggressive attitude toward entrepreneurship" - as being one of the key factors which influenced his political activity.

At the age of 26, only a year after graduating from Stockholm University with a degree in economics, he was first elected to the Riksdag. He became the head of the Moderate Party's youth wing in 1992.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5355938.stm


11 posted on 09/24/2006 1:41:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "don't look at the man behind the curtain.")
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To: WashingtonSource

"When do they start deporting Muslims? That's the most important issue."

We're already deporting muslim criminals and other such people who don't belong in Europe.

However, a lot of immigrants have gained swedish citizenship far too easily IMO and these people are being treated as ordinary, native swedes by the law - regardless of what crimes they commit.

In Sweden there are ALSO a lot of "muslims" who've fled from countries like Iran, Iraq etc who simple hate islamofascism and fascism like that one of Saddam. Many of them eat pork, drink alcohol, have tried hard to learn swedish and have been successful and they also work hard and respect the law. These "muslims" can stay as far as I'm concerned.
Then there's certain other immigrants...


12 posted on 09/24/2006 1:49:05 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: fatnotlazy; WesternCulture
I was on Wall Street (as a young investment banker) when Carter got the boot and Reagan came into office. In terms of business and consumer confidence, there was an explosion.

I think the same thing will occur now in Sweden.

13 posted on 09/24/2006 2:00:29 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "don't look at the man behind the curtain.")
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To: RightWhale

"Do they have anything like a national system of property recordation and naturalization of persons such as corporations?"

I'm not quite sure what you mean, my english isn't perfect although I guess you could label it "decent".

In a thoroughly bureaucratic society like Sweden, you could rely on everything being recorded and registred. This particular aspect of the swedish society has in fact got more to do with lutheranism and civil "Prussian drill" (although we've never been a part of Prussia) than socialism. But ok, now I'm probably getting off-topic.

The right of property isn't a part of the swedish constitution. Many people feel it ought to be, but no government we've had that I know of have bothered to deal with this matter.
One reason is probably that it would be more costly to carry out major infrastructural projects (like building new highways, railroads, airports etc) if private property was deemed a constitutional right.


14 posted on 09/24/2006 2:06:01 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
"The West IS one and should act AS one, defending the open society."

What the HELL! This coming from Sweden, from a Swede! I hope what ever you got is highly contagious, and it sweeps the entire country of Sweden!

15 posted on 09/24/2006 2:14:38 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: Dacus943

"I hope what ever you got is highly contagious, and it sweeps the entire country of Sweden!"

It IS by all means highly contagious. For instance, Germany (- our southern neighbors), a country that for several years now have believed in improved standards of living without increases in productivity, national efforts and GDP growth is finally coming to senses.
In Germany, the biggest and richest (measuring by GDP) EU nation, educated people are very well aware that the scandinavian countries have all dealt successfully with the problems Germany, Italy and France face today through giving up on socialism and returning to healthy work ethics.

Europe will not slumber forever.

A united Western World can not be conquered by any force on this earth.

A new Renaissance!



16 posted on 09/24/2006 2:26:11 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
Private property, properly recorded in a national system, is the basis of the American system, which extends also to naturalized persons such as corporations. While it exists in Central and South America, those two lack a national system of recordation, which gives rise to shantytown development. Shantytown property is also private property but ownership is known only within the neighborhood. This system is common in third world and emerging (former communist) countries. The failing of the shantytown ownership system is that private property cannot be used as bank collateral.

When all property is available for use as collateral then capitalism moves to a second order development, which makes funding available through ownership of property as well as whatever cash a person may have in his pocket. Note that massive wealth exists in third world cities, but that the wealth is tied up and unavailable as collateral. An example in Cairo: 80% of the wealth is so tied up. Egypt should be immensely productive but it is operating on 20% of its capital potential.

The constant failure of aid programs to developing countries in Africa is linked directly to this type of situation. Zimbabwe might be a perfect example of doing it exactly wrong.

17 posted on 09/24/2006 3:02:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Ok, I get it.

Thank you for explaining this to me.

"Private property, properly recorded in a national system, is the basis of the American system, which extends also to naturalized persons such as corporations. While it exists in Central and South America, those two lack a national system of recordation, which gives rise to shantytown development."

Like you made clear in your last post, this phenomena exists in many parts of the world.

In Sweden however, I think it would be impossible.

Swedes, even jobless ones, disabled persons or other individuals unable to get a decent job have been very successful in their demands of a standard of housing equal to the rest of the population.
Just look at condos and houses in Sweden. Probably the best built in the world. To build in a different way is prohibited by law.


18 posted on 09/24/2006 3:20:13 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
" easier for small and medium-sized companies "

I like to think of such companies as 'young and growing', or "new technology companies', even experimental companies. Also maybe 'niche or boutique' companies.

I don't know about Sweden, but I suspect it is somewhat the same as in Germany, that is a lot of well educated young people, especially technically, who do not have enough growth in start up companies to use them. A lot of hanging on to a job and hoping everything is dragged out. That is not good.

Economic and political liberalization and the better utilization of human intellect and capital is only good. There is no scientific reason that things can not be better. Nor is the future limited. We have nothing to lose but bureaucratic chains of regulations! Power to the intellect!
19 posted on 09/24/2006 4:10:24 PM PDT by Leisler (Read the Koran, real Islam is not peaceful.)
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To: RightWhale

Hernado de Soto anyone?


20 posted on 09/24/2006 4:11:52 PM PDT by Leisler (Read the Koran, real Islam is not peaceful.)
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To: WesternCulture
Now they need to quit admitting people from islamic countries.
21 posted on 09/24/2006 4:14:29 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: WesternCulture

A factor that might be of interest is the proportion who rent or live in gov't housing versus those who own their own home.


22 posted on 09/24/2006 4:21:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Leisler

Thanks. I was going to mention the name if anyone was interested in looking into the matter a little deeper, or a lot deeper.


23 posted on 09/24/2006 4:22:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Leisler

You wrote;

" easier for small and medium-sized companies "

I like to think of such companies as 'young and growing', or "new technology companies', even experimental companies. Also maybe 'niche or boutique' companies.

I don't know about Sweden, but I suspect it is somewhat the same as in Germany, that is a lot of well educated young people, especially technically, who do not have enough growth in start up companies to use them. A lot of hanging on to a job and hoping everything is dragged out. That is not good.

Economic and political liberalization and the better utilization of human intellect and capital is only good. There is no scientific reason that things can not be better. Nor is the future limited. We have nothing to lose but bureaucratic chains of regulations! Power to the intellect!"

Yo've got the picture right.
Europe is in for major changes.

I've written these words before all over the internet and somehow I never get tired of repeating this effort:

A new Renaissance!


24 posted on 09/24/2006 4:24:23 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
In the old days, and still in a way, people used to get excited about digging stuff out of the ground, gold or oil or such. Or they would find new forest, or fishing grounds. But that wealth was physically limited. But the intellect, science, creativity, who or what limits that? Nothing save human political behavior.

The west needs to have its political economy like a excellent little farm where the best ideas and technologies can grow and those that are the best farmer should be rewarded for bring such fruits to market.

Hopefully the era of large centralized schemes is passing.

Enjoy.

Discover Magazine Interview with Newt Gingrich
Oct 2006

Q: You have predicted a fourfold to sevenfold increase in scientific discovery in the next 25 years. What does that mean?

Gingrich: I began thinking of the fact that you have more scientists alive now than in all of previous human history. You have better instrumentation and computation. The scientists are connected by email and cell phone. And they are connected by lisencing to venture capital and royalties -- and to China and India as reserve centers of production. Put all that together and it leads to dramatically more science than we have ever seen before. And if you get a breakthrough in quantum computing then you're in a totally different world. My instinct as a historian is that four is probably right. I used that figure when I spoke to the National Academy of Sciences working group in computation and information, and afterwards the head of the group said to me, "That's too small a number." He said its got to be at least seven. What it means is that if you have a planning committee looking out to 2031, and you're going to have four times as much change, that puts you in position of someone in 1880 trying to imagine 2006. If you are going to have a seven times as much change, that puts you in 1660. And nobody understands that.

25 posted on 09/24/2006 4:44:25 PM PDT by Leisler (Read the Koran, real Islam is not peaceful.)
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To: WesternCulture
Thank you for your comments. It's good to hear from someone in Europe who doesn't agree with the president of Iran and other tyrants in the Middle East that the United States is The Great Satan.

By the way, your English is just close to perfect. The only two "mistakes" I saw were that you didn't capitalize "swedes" and "swedish" (we would have). Is that the custom in your country? Just curious.

26 posted on 09/24/2006 4:50:42 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: WesternCulture

Good news. Thanks for posting and answering questions. Education BUMP!


27 posted on 09/24/2006 4:57:12 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Southack
This is a good sign of the tide turning in our favor, I hope it maintains momentum.
If anything, this will help President Bush when he will have to tell the UN , thanks, but, no thanks, we will have to do this alone ( again ) and build a new coalition to deal with Iran.
28 posted on 09/24/2006 5:22:33 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: AIM-54; Jedi Master Pikachu; 1234; A knight without armor; Allan; american colleen; AndyPH; ...
Ping to the Swedish Ping List.
29 posted on 09/24/2006 5:57:51 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Swedish Ping List master)
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To: Southack

Anzar was ousted by Zapatero, but still, you point is generally consistent. Putin has remained strong, though.


30 posted on 09/24/2006 6:03:34 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

In English?


31 posted on 09/24/2006 6:04:21 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Southack

And Berlusconi by Prodi.


32 posted on 09/24/2006 6:08:16 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Belusconi's election was a virtual tie; no trend there.

33 posted on 09/24/2006 6:11:24 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Agree about the tie part, but he was very popular when he was voted in. However, his tactless comments and allegations of corruption could have ruined him more than Iraq. By the same token, Schroeder was not defeated because Germans largely supported the war, and Martin was removed because of domestic corruption.


34 posted on 09/24/2006 6:15:43 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: WesternCulture

"A united Western World can not be conquered by any force on this earth. "

Couldn't agree more - and the way you get to that unity is by banishing socialism from our cultural fabric. Congratulations to the swedes!! With this election you're re-enforcing the values that have made the Western World so successful and are contributing anew to that unity.


35 posted on 09/24/2006 6:25:11 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: RightWhale; WesternCulture

You know, my friends in Sweden constantly bragged about the quality of the homes there, but having lived in three different homes there myself, I was never very impressed. I know that they all wanted me to be, but for the size, the luxury comparison and over-all attractiveness, I'd take my home in North Carolina without any hesitation.


36 posted on 09/25/2006 5:56:54 AM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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To: WesternCulture

The new PM has a tough job ahead of him. I would say that this is mainly due to the fact that Sweden is what we often call a "one-party state in people's minds" - not sure how to translate that into English.

Anyway, the for so long ruling socialist party has put its people everywhere: In the education system, in government authorities whose sole purpose is to "educate" the citizens, etc not to mention the press, whose journalists according to polls in 2000 to 70% favoured the left. Please then take note that the new PM is probably to the left of the american Democrat party.

It is a tough job but we have to change course. It will not happen overnight but if we adjust the Swedish system for two peroids of term - i.e. 8 years - it might make a significant difference. If they only stay for one term, the socialist will revert all the changes and then claim the credit for all the good effects that will show up after a few years themselves. It has happened before.


37 posted on 09/25/2006 12:32:11 PM PDT by Mentat
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To: WesternCulture

I visited your country for the first time a little over a month ago, and loved what I saw of it. My husband and I got into a conversation over dinner with an older, apparently prosperous gentleman, whose opening remark to us when he heard we were American was, "When are you going to DO something about your president?"

I indicated that something would be "done" one way or another when his term was up and not before (since we don't really want to imitate Sweden's record of recent political assassinations). We discussed tax rates, socialism, etc., and while he didn't seem too happy about it, he had a very "oh, well, what are you going to do about it" sort of attitude.

Since he had houses in the country and in France, he didn't seem like someone who was too pinched. He didn't seem to think much would change, so I wonder if that's a general sentiment there.

After that we discussed opera, it was safer. ;)


38 posted on 09/25/2006 12:44:52 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

"He didn't seem to think much would change, so I wonder if that's a general sentiment there."

Do you mean in Sweden?

From what I can tell, a lot of people over here seem to believe a lot of things will change in Sweden because of the new government.

Concerning GWB, one reason a lot of europeans dislike him is because the way he's portrayed by european media.

Finally, may I ask what part of Sweden you visited? (I live in the second largest city, Gothenburg, home of Volvo).
Glad to hear you enjoyed your stay. Welcome back again!


39 posted on 09/25/2006 4:17:18 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture; linda_22003
How much change is expected depends on who you ask. The left is exaggerating the level of change to complete systemic change -- an end to socialism. They have vowed to begin working as an agressive opposition to proposed changes -- stated by outgoing SD Prime Minister Persson -- a prelude to the next election campaign.

Some of what has been promised is pretty agressive, I must say. I believe they will proceed to sell off the government's shares in former socialist monopolies. That in itself is a big deal but perhaps inevitable given Sweden's membership in the EU. Government monopoly sell-offs even took place under the SD government.

What's been more troubling in Sweden has been the underlying oligarchy (hope I'm using the word correctly) -- a system in which a limited number of companies control supply -- too much control for open competition to expand alternative goods and lower prices. Just after Sweden joined the EU, it seemed that alternatives did show up in the market place and prices dropped; but then it was like the old guard reinstated itself.

It may take time for people to sort out their feelings about how much change the center-right government is actually bringing. I'll tell you what the established wisdom has been from most people I've spoken with. Electing the center-right coalition happens when people are ticked off at the SD party enough to punish them. In the past, people have asked what the center-right has done after 4 years in power -- think nothing really good has happened -- and lose interest. SDs go back into power.

I have sensed a lot of anger against the SDs over the past few years; especially at PM Persson, who has announced his resignation as party leader.
40 posted on 09/26/2006 4:31:57 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: WesternCulture

Yes, in Sweden. I didn't know him from Adam, so I took his opinions with a grain of salt. Especially after he told me that my favorite tenor, Jussi Bjoerling, was buried in the church across the street (this was in the cafe at the Opera House in Stockholm), when I know he's buried in his home town of Stora Tuna. ;)


41 posted on 09/26/2006 5:05:23 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
"Yes, in Sweden. I didn't know him from Adam, so I took his opinions with a grain of salt. Especially after he told me that my favorite tenor, Jussi Bjoerling, was buried in the church across the street (this was in the cafe at the Opera House in Stockholm), when I know he's buried in his home town of Stora Tuna. ;)

- And he probably knows even less about GWB..

Through the internet I've become aware how appreciated Björling is by several american opera enthusiasts.

The best example of this I guess is the Jussi Björling Society of the US.

http://www.jussibjorlingsociety.com/

As a swede and an admirer of Björling I enjoyed reading these words coming from an american society of opera enthusiasts;

quote (from the site mentioned above) "Jussi Björling’s flawless vocal technique, silvery beauty of tone, gleaming upper register, and superb interpretive skills have made him one of the greatest and most beloved tenors of the century. Numerous colleagues as well as music critics have long placed Jussi at the very pinnacle of vocal excellence. It was to Jussi that Dorothy Caruso, widow of Enrico Caruso, said, "You are the only one worthy to wear his mantle, bear Rico’s crown!"

I wish more swedes appreciated Björling to the extent these people, apparently, do.
42 posted on 09/26/2006 4:22:45 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

I knew I wasn't alone. ;) If you have it, or can find it on the 'net, listen to Jussi's version of "Nessun dorma", from Turandot. Franco Corelli did a technically excellent recording of the opera, but the way Bjoerling does the final attack on "Vincero" makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck, no matter how many times I've heard it.

(I forgot to say, we also stopped in Gotland on the cruise, and Visby was an unexpected treat!)


43 posted on 09/27/2006 5:12:56 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

"I knew I wasn't alone. ;) If you have it, or can find it on the 'net, listen to Jussi's version of "Nessun dorma", from Turandot. Franco Corelli did a technically excellent recording of the opera, but the way Bjoerling does the final attack on "Vincero" makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck, no matter how many times I've heard it.

(I forgot to say, we also stopped in Gotland on the cruise, and Visby was an unexpected treat!)"

Concerning recordings of Björling;

- I fully agree the "Nessun Dorma" recording highlights many of Björlings qualities. Compare it to for instance the way Beniamino Gigli performed this piece. Gigli was a great tenor, but in my ears Björling was even greater.

Another recording I also feel clearly illustrates how gifted and not the least TECHNICALLY superior Björling really was is in fact "O, sole mio".
This "popular" tune is something you imagine ordinary people singing in the narrow side streets of Naples on a sunny day after the day's first glass of wine, but to sing it like Björling did requires ability that some would say even Caruso weren't in possession of.

Concerning Sweden as a tourist destination;

- Both Stockholm and Gotland are very appealing places, to say the least. I'm not surprised a so many foreigners visit them.

However, I would say Skåne/Scania, the southernmost part of Sweden, especially the south eastern part called Österlen, is even more magnificent.

http://www.skane.com/cmarter/cmarter.asp?doc=1367

(I wish there was a site that really did justice to this part of Europe, but this one is the best I could find).

Österlen can compete with Provence (France) and Tuscany (Italy) in areas like:

- Beauty of the countryside
- Gourmet food
- Palaces and castles
- Art galleries and art activities (perhaps not art MUSEUMS though)
- Relaxing, rural lifestyle and overall "tempo"

If you ever get the chance in life, try cruising around on the small, winding rural roads in a nice car (preferably a DRIVERS car like BMW, SAAB or Porsche) of Österlen and explore the aspects mentioned above.
In my opinion, it even beats Stockholm and Gotland.


44 posted on 09/27/2006 4:49:59 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Thank you for the suggestions! :) I hope to see a great deal more of Sweden as time goes on.


45 posted on 09/28/2006 5:33:03 AM PDT by linda_22003
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Visby is a World Heritage site, so it should be nice....

As for GW Bush, it is not surprising that swedes view him negatively. The press never, and I really _mean_ never, writes anything positive about him. Of course this affects peoples view of him.

Michael Moore's films however, they are shown by the public service television....


46 posted on 10/05/2006 12:00:15 PM PDT by Mentat
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