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National Demos pulling Dist. 8 ads (Graf-Giffords race AZCD8)
The Arizona Daily Star ^ | 09.23.2006 | Daniel Scarpinato

Posted on 09/23/2006 11:07:54 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles

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To: zbigreddogz
"You are aware that every poll has Graf down by double digits, aren't you?"

Maybe it's just not politically correct to tell a pollster you are for Randy Graf.
21 posted on 09/23/2006 12:23:38 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: axes_of_weezles

Jon Kyl is running the cleanest campaign I've ever seen. His "opponent" on the other hand has been doing nothing but slinging major league mudcakes. Pederson is a braindead, Commie moron. He needs to just quit. Arizonans do not want people like Pederson in Washington.


22 posted on 09/23/2006 12:26:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can't defeat your enemy unless you are willing to get down in the mud with him.)
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To: axes_of_weezles

Screw the NRCC anyway. Graf can get money from the grassroots.


23 posted on 09/23/2006 12:31:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: axes_of_weezles

This district is the Socialist stronghold in Arizona. They do have a small outpost in Flagstaff also because of the University for the Sexually Disoriented (USD) being located there. Graf can't get the illegal alien vote so it will probably be tough for him to win. The illegals will vote for the DemocRAT in hopes that the DemocRATS will continue to let them scrounge off welfare in Arizona.


24 posted on 09/23/2006 12:32:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can't defeat your enemy unless you are willing to get down in the mud with him.)
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To: BW2221

Oh yah, sure, that explains a double digit deficit. Maybe that is true!

Maybe Bill Clinton will keep his pants zipped up.

Maybe Al Gore will stop exaggerating.

Maybe Trent Lott will lose in Mississippi.

Maybe a lot of things.

But but by any reasonable standard? No way.


25 posted on 09/23/2006 12:34:40 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

Good to see you a DNC supporter. :)


26 posted on 09/23/2006 12:35:34 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: FlingWingFlyer

True.

Luckily, they won't send him there.

I'm just glad he's spending all his money on this instead of other races.


27 posted on 09/23/2006 12:36:14 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

Are you sure you are on the right forum?

Surrender monkeys do better at D.U.

The conservative voters in CD8 are not scared of a side to side comparison between Giffords and Graf.

You are blinded by your support of illegal immigration and amnesty.

Even Giffords has ads saying she is strongest on border security, just like the lies Huffman put out and voters saw trhough.

So, go ahead and put your money where your mouth is and support the DNC.

Meanwhile those of us who live in this district will support Randy Graf.


28 posted on 09/23/2006 12:39:15 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: zbigreddogz

Can Graf beat Democrat Gabrielle Giffords?

Well, he can--but Giffords enters the race as the favorite. She ran a great campaign, grabbing more than 54 percent of the vote and beating out her closest challenger, former newscaster Patty Weiss, by more than 23 percentage points. Plus, Democrats appear much more united than Republicans, with most of Giffords' primary opponents backing her. Weiss in particular was a class act on Election Night, showing up at Giffords' celebration and throwing her support behind the nominee.

While Republicans are making a show of uniting behind Graf, there's a lot of pessimism in the smoke-filled back rooms about his chances. Just look at the Zimmerman poll released before the primary: Giffords was leading Graf by 10 percentage points.

Giffords is obviously an attractive candidate to Democrats, but she's also seen as reasonable by moderate Republicans and the business community.

But with all the money that's going to be tossed around, Giffords is going to have to work hard for a win. And if she wins, she's going to have to work even harder to hang on to it in two years.


This is from a local political pundit, not your beltway kneepadders.


29 posted on 09/23/2006 12:42:21 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: zbigreddogz

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706983/posts

Primary School (Why did Randy Graf kick Steve Huffman's ass in the CD8 GOP primary?)


30 posted on 09/23/2006 12:45:30 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Pederson is a braindead, Commie moron. He needs to just quit. Arizonans do not want people like Pederson in Washington.

Did you appreciate his recent TV spot that bragged about his $97,000 tax relief from Bush, and how the little people need it more than he did!!! This is our own Soros.

Jim Pederson: Arizona's Own George Soros

31 posted on 09/23/2006 12:48:16 PM PDT by AZConser (Tancredo For President)
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To: axes_of_weezles
This is from a local political pundit, not your beltway kneepadders.

Beltway kneepaders?

Ignoring the fact that this is obviously a useless and desperate personal attack, I'm from Seattle and live in Southern California.

And he's right that she'll have to work hard to keep this seat should she win it. We won't have a bad candidate next time.

I'm not going to bother to respond to your other silly attempts to drag the debate down into the gutter and namecalling. This isn't about issue politics, this is about an objective look at the possibility of victory in this race, which is quite small.

Republicans will hold their majority in November, but we are very unlikely win this seat. No amount of personal attacks or slander will change that.

32 posted on 09/23/2006 12:51:52 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: AZConser

Pederson is a sick puppy. His ads are bogus and he is so full of crap. I'm proud of the way Kyl is responding. Simon is running against my Rep., Rick Renzi. Her ads are laughable. The way I see things down here where "the rubber meets the road," Renzi is going to clobber her.


33 posted on 09/23/2006 12:53:16 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can't defeat your enemy unless you are willing to get down in the mud with him.)
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To: zbigreddogz
Personally, I can't stand the flame throwers from the tancredo/Graf wing of the GOP(especially since they never throw thier flames at democrats), but if I lived in the district I would vote for Graf and holding my nose very tight.

Anyway the DNC puylling their ads says to me that they already spent their money well(a rarity foir the democrats) by putting Graf over the top with their $175,000 expenditure against Graf's main opponent in the GOP primary, Huffman.

34 posted on 09/23/2006 1:00:09 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Personally, I can't stand the flame throwers from the Tancredo/Graf wing of the GOP(especially since they never throw thier flames at democrats), but if I lived in the district I would vote for Graf and holding my nose very tight.

Agree on everything. I doubt that favor would be returned by the Tancrediacs, however. But I would do my duty and pull the lever for Graf.

Anyway the DNC puylling their ads says to me that they already spent their money well(a rarity foir the democrats) by putting Graf over the top with their $175,000 expenditure against Graf's main opponent in the GOP primary, Huffman.

Agreed. I'm not a big fan of Huffman either, but he would have been a better candidate then Graf. It seems like there must have been some better candidate somewhere in the district then either of them.

35 posted on 09/23/2006 1:05:25 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

Stick to discussions of policy, and dont repeat DNC talking points then.

Randy started Prop200, which has been copied by the House republicans about two weeks ago. It requires Arizona ID and Photo ID to vote. You didnt hear anything negative in the press about it -did you? Of course not.

You are taking to heart internal DNC polling, which is wrong and skewed in the first place.

You were also on the Duke thread last night with provoking negative comments.

You cant be above the fray and make unfounded negative posts.

Residents have a personal stake in the election. From what the RNC and NRCC and other state parties have done in the Primary, folks that live here are rightly P.O.d at the parties.


36 posted on 09/23/2006 1:06:12 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
Randy started Prop200, which has been copied by the House republicans about two weeks ago. It requires Arizona ID and Photo ID to vote.

Actually IMO, Graf was following the Mexicans that require a photo ID to vote.

37 posted on 09/23/2006 1:07:58 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The way I see things down here where "the rubber meets the road," Renzi is going to clobber her.

You are probably correct, my district is Shadegg.

I am hoping we can elect a veto-proof legislature as a backup to not being able to oust that Dim Janet, vetoer of all things controlling immigration.

38 posted on 09/23/2006 1:09:50 PM PDT by AZConser (Tancredo For President)
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To: Dane

Having seizures, Howard?

39 posted on 09/23/2006 1:10:48 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

Uh axes, it was howard dean, who spent $175,000 in AZ-8 attacking Graf's main GOP primary opponent, huffman. Thus giving Graf a boost with the DNC expenditure.


40 posted on 09/23/2006 1:16:37 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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