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A Battlefield for Tax Reform - Vanity
vanity | 9/17/06 | Principled

Posted on 09/17/2006 8:03:05 AM PDT by Principled

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To: pigdog

It is all about the FairTax, the fact that you share methods with other pseudo-scientific lobbying organizations is highly relevant. You don't think that the FairTax Corporation invented propoganda and doublespeak, do you? They are merely standing on the shoulders of giants who came before. Although they did botch up the movement scripture-- "The Fairtax Book"-- pretty badly on the first go around.


321 posted on 09/24/2006 4:41:45 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: RobFromGa
So you really have nothing to show in the way of serious studies but merely your own opinions???

Many of us have observed that for over a year now.

322 posted on 09/24/2006 4:41:46 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Your Nightmare

Since the bill is non-partisan it really doesn't matter when it is brought out.


323 posted on 09/24/2006 4:42:55 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Your Nightmare
I'd go with 27%. Like I said, I don't care what the rate is provided it is revenue neutral or less (invoking a spending cut).

After all, if it's revenue neutral it represents the same aggregate tax over a broader base. Since I legally participate in the income/payroll tax system, my effective rate will reduce.

Indeed, every legal participant in today's income payroll tax system will experience such a reduction - due to a broadening of the base AND elimination of tax costs associated with the income tax.

324 posted on 09/24/2006 4:43:07 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare
Perhaps you post a link to that so everyone could see it in addition to you.

And whether you do or not (or whether it even exists) what point is it you'd like to make???

325 posted on 09/24/2006 4:45:16 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

We actually don't have an anti-FairTax lobbying group that funds studies and things. We just use our brains and common sense. And the studies that are done without the FairTax paying for them, all show that you are working with smoke and mirrors.


326 posted on 09/24/2006 4:47:41 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: RobFromGa
"It is all about the FairTax, the fact that you share methods with other pseudo-scientific lobbying organizations is highly relevant. "
LOL!!! Still nothing at all to do with the FairTax ... merely another insult vehicle.
327 posted on 09/24/2006 4:50:26 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: RobFromGa
We actually don't have an anti-FairTax lobbying group that funds studies and things.

WHat?! Are you kidding me?

There are bazillions of groups who want to keep the income tax in place. Like maybe that little group called LIBERALS?! THose are your lobbying groups! SHEESH!

On one hand you say there are no anti-fairtax lobbying groups and on the other hand you say that it won't pass because of all the people who would lose power!

Rob! Slow down!

328 posted on 09/24/2006 4:51:54 PM PDT by Principled
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To: RobFromGa
"We just use our brains and common sense. "

I'll refrain from any obvious commentary on that!!!

329 posted on 09/24/2006 4:52:26 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Principled
on the other hand you say that it won't pass because of all the people who would lose power!

Where do I say this? I say it won't pass because it is unworkable and based on misrepresentations.

And no one takes the FairTax seriously enough yet to worry about it passing, if it were ever to be taken seriously, then there would be money spent to prove it is a total crock. But the Tax Reform commission already told us that.

330 posted on 09/24/2006 4:56:01 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: pigdog

It is all totally relevant.


331 posted on 09/24/2006 4:57:05 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: RobFromGa
"...it is unworkable and based on misrepresentations ..."

And you've already told us how these thing were your opinions - just like your opinions in your vanity posts.

"... And no one takes the FairTax seriously enough yet to worry about it passing ,.."

A masterstroke of lighthearted commentary taken in the spirit of fun I'm sure you intended it to be - but oh, wait ... why are you spending thousands of hours on hundreds of posts dreaming up objections and untrue thing to throw "out there" if that's the case???

332 posted on 09/24/2006 5:02:57 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Frantic, isn't he .. especially for someone so sure it won't ever even be brought to the floor.
333 posted on 09/24/2006 5:04:38 PM PDT by Principled
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To: RobFromGa
And you forgot to include your reasoning - or was there any? Could you, perhaps try to concentrate on the thread's subject ... the FairTax???
334 posted on 09/24/2006 5:06:00 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Since the bill is non-partisan it really doesn't matter when it is brought out.
Really? What makes a bill non-partisan?
335 posted on 09/24/2006 5:19:07 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: pigdog
Perhaps you post a link to that so everyone could see it in addition to you. And whether you do or not (or whether it even exists) what point is it you'd like to make???
Haven't you read it? Don't you know where it is? You've talked about it like you are very familar with it. That wasn't all BS, was it?
336 posted on 09/24/2006 5:20:58 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare

That is has nothing to favor either political party. But I thought you knew that.


337 posted on 09/24/2006 6:00:56 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Your Nightmare
"You've talked about it like you are very familar with it"
If so, it must've been some time ago. Can you give me a link to the paper that you seem so all-fired interested in attacking? Maybe that would trigger my memory.

Or is this one of those things that somehow is unfinished and you have an advanced copy of it that you wish to heap scorn on??? If so, it'd be nice if you'd share ....

338 posted on 09/24/2006 6:07:03 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Perhaps you're attempting to say that something paid for is somehow invalid in content because of that???

That has been your assertion. For instance, the Price Waterhouse study commisioned by the Retailers association. You claimed that although the FairTax will increase profits for retailers, they commissioned a study and gave the instruction to trash the FairTax.

You still haven't explained why they would do something that would prevent them from increasing their profits.

339 posted on 09/24/2006 7:52:24 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
It is not "the retailers" opposing the FairTax; it is the NRF. And that is shown here (note page 3 of the pdf) with some additional information here in the link provided.
340 posted on 09/25/2006 10:19:35 AM PDT by pigdog
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