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Ag secretary puts spin on trade report
PEORIA JOURNAL STAR, INC. ^ | September 12, 2006 | Alan Guebert

Posted on 09/12/2006 12:31:55 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: Toddsterpatriot

"We need those over priced sources of sugar, to keep sugar cheap and readily available."

Sugar costs what? Forty cents a pound? How much would it cost if those "evil protectionists under my bed" made it so American sugar got the edge in the market, instead of the current foreign-favored market?


21 posted on 09/12/2006 1:08:54 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Who cares if Americans lose their jobs and we only have service jobs? I saved two cents on oranges!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Sounds CFR to me. [chuckle]


22 posted on 09/12/2006 1:09:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

"Don't forget, none of us voted for him."

I don't get this statement. Like I didn't know that already or something.


23 posted on 09/12/2006 1:10:02 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Who cares if Americans lose their jobs and we only have service jobs? I saved two cents on oranges!)
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To: NapkinUser

The single greatest threat to our domestic sugar industry is our Federal Governement. After that, Archer Daniels Midland.


24 posted on 09/12/2006 1:11:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NapkinUser

I wasn't suggesting anything. It was a joke directed at others who are less familiar with the Executive Branch.


25 posted on 09/12/2006 1:12:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
18% of the mexican labor force works on the farm while 2% of the US labor force works on the farm.

If we could force some software engineers and others with high income jobs into agriculture, we could lower our mexican ag imports.

26 posted on 09/12/2006 1:24:55 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: NapkinUser
How much would it cost if those "evil protectionists under my bed" made it so American sugar got the edge in the market, instead of the current foreign-favored market?

Foreign sugar is favored? You must be joking.

And how will American sugar "get the edge" when it grows better closer to the equator? Bananas and pineapples are also cheaper when grown in areas a bit further south than Minnesota.

27 posted on 09/12/2006 1:28:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math and reading?)
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To: Ben Ficklin
18% of the mexican labor force works on the farm

In the US.
28 posted on 09/12/2006 1:31:18 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Farmers aren't allowed to sell their produce anymore. Try selling milk from the farm, pasturized and unpasturized. Cheese? Forget it! The USDA, EPA, and DNR are the real terrorists to agri business. Yet, no testing is required of imports and we let in all the trash.

Corn is rock bottom and elevators are charging .30 a bushel storage. Ethanol? Screw it!


29 posted on 09/12/2006 2:08:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
No doubt part of the ag labor in the US is illegal but 18% in mexico is accurate. See the CIA fact book for that detail. Lots of good details are there.

Of that 18% working on mexican farms, 80% are working 12 hectares or less. This is sustinence farming on the collectives(ejidos) and 50% of the mexican farm land is in the collectives. While some say that that there is an farm crisis in Mexico, there is really a food problem.

30 posted on 09/12/2006 2:09:03 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

I was half joking. I don't know what the percentage is, but one source claimed 1.5 million used-to-be farmers in Mexico are now ag workers in the US, legal or not.


31 posted on 09/12/2006 2:12:40 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Prior to NAFTA, Mexico put their ag land reforms in place. This caused many who had long abandoned farming to move back to the collectives in hopes of getting title to the land.

So while many ag workers moved to the US, the total number didn't diminish.

Data collected by Pew Hispanic shows that in more recent times the ag workers coming here has tailed off and now semiskilled from the city are coming.

32 posted on 09/12/2006 2:28:47 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: hedgetrimmer; Toddsterpatriot

Grassley fails to address the issue of the 1944 treaty with Mexico regarding water. Mexico has hoarded water since before NAFTA 1992 trying to put the South Texas farmers out of business. Bush was governor when this started and then President. So grassley's figures are not accurate since unfair trade was not going on.

South Texas had a drought for years. The good Lord saved south Texas as He provided rain. Neither Bush nor Fox get any credit.

Yes, Toddsterpatriot, Mexico is North of the Texas valley. LOL


33 posted on 09/12/2006 7:29:15 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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Yes, Toddsterpatriot, Mexico is North of the Texas valley. LOL

So did you ever prove that Clinton raised tariffs on luxury cars to 100%? LOL!

34 posted on 09/12/2006 8:02:11 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math and reading?)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

I was going to grill some steaks this past weekend. We were out of lemon as I always use one as part of my marinade instead of meat tenderizors. So I decided to go to the store myself. I had not been in a produce dept in a while but could not believe my eyes. The lemon I bought was from Chile 2 for a dollar. Not cheap. It had old hard thick skin on the outside and the inside was not very juicy. The bottled lemon juice was from Italy. Unreal! Some elderly lady was complaining that we didn't make anything anymore. I just shook my head and got out of there.

Be careful of what you buy in foreign foods. Mexico has been known for lead in their candy.


35 posted on 09/12/2006 8:04:47 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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So did you ever prove that Clinton raised tariffs on luxury cars to 100%? LOL!

I sure did! He just didn't have to implement it as Japan caved on that "nasty" word "tariff".LOL

36 posted on 09/12/2006 8:10:22 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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I sure did!

So by your "logic", Clinton cut taxes on the middle class in 1993, he just didn't implement it. LOL!

37 posted on 09/12/2006 8:20:37 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math and reading?)
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So by your "logic", Clinton cut taxes on the middle class in 1993, he just didn't implement it. LOL!

What are you smoking? You are rambling incoherently.

38 posted on 09/12/2006 8:26:43 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo

You're the joker who thinks saying you're going to raise tariffs is the same as actually raising tariffs. Put down the bong.


39 posted on 09/12/2006 9:09:13 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math and reading?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You're the joker who thinks saying you're going to raise tariffs is the same as actually raising tariffs

There you go again, rambling. I wish I had the power to raise tariffs but I don't.

40 posted on 09/13/2006 8:00:45 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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