Below is a CNN photo op of Kerry visiting the Reagan wake at the Reagan Library, while all Kerry did was basically spit on Ronald Reagan with his political rhetoric.
Dems are such hypcorites.
Posted on 09/08/2006 3:34:54 PM PDT by Dane
Stung by Webb ties to Gipper, Allen rallies Reagan's lieutenants
RICHMOND, Va. Nancy Reagan has ordered Democratic Senate candidate Jim Webb -- a former Reagan White House military aide -- not to use video of her husband praising Webb in an upcoming campaign ad. A three-paragraph letter from the former first lady's office says the use of footage of President Reagan is ... quote ... "neither authorized nor appropriate."
An ad Webb intends to begin televising Monday features Reagan praising Webb -- then an assistant secretary of defense -- during the 1985 U-S Naval Academy commencement ceremony.
Hey, didn't you all hear that Democrats LOVE Reagan now? Why, they all think he was a swell guy and anybody who thinks they didn't really love him deep down just doesn't understand the Democrat soul.
Oh wait, most of them don't have one of those.
Never mind.
just goes to show how liberals always hide who they are.
can you ever see a conservative using Clinton to get elected?
There is a simple antedote to this. Someone needs to ask gadfly Ron Reagan, jr who he supports, then put that in a Allen tv ad.
Below is a CNN photo op of Kerry visiting the Reagan wake at the Reagan Library, while all Kerry did was basically spit on Ronald Reagan with his political rhetoric.
Dems are such hypcorites.
Also remember when VP Cheney was disinvited from the Wellstone pep rally.
Unless rebroadcasting of that footage is actually illegal which I kinda doubt, I don't really see the problem with the ad. As much respect as I have for her, Nancy doesn't own everything with her husband's image on it.
Shouldn't a widow's wishes be respected.
>>Someone needs to ask gadfly Ron Reagan, jr who he supports, then put that in a Allen tv ad.
Could be risky unless you know for sure. You never know exactly what the unpredictable Ron, Jr. might say. Ask Michael Reagan, the most sensible of the Gipper's kids.
"Does he think Democrats will vote for a man showing pictures of Reagan?"
Ever heard of "Reagan Democrats?"
I would be on Nancy's side if the ad was in anyway disrespectful to Reagan, or if it distorted what Reagan said. I agree that the ad is slightly misleading because Webb was a Republican at the time Reagan said all that, but it's just a smart move on the part of Webb. Allen should find a way to express that Reagan would have supported him, now, in 2006.
You are correct, most of the Reagan democrats have switched to voting for the Pubbies in the General election.
The person who knew Ronald Reagan best(Nancy Reagan), thinks Webb's crass ad is distorted, shouldn't her opinion count most.
BUMP!
Good on her!
Kerry looks extremly Lurchy in that pic. Must be his "I'm sad" face.
I agree if that is what you meant.
Nevermind, I see you were talking about support for Allen in the last sentence.
Sorry, but Ronald Reagan was a public figure, and his speeches as President of the United States are in the public domain. Nancy Reagan has no authority to prevent their use, just because she is politically opposed to the person using the footage.
This sounds like a perfectly legitimate TV ad. It accurately portrays the fact that Reagan praised Webb when Webb was a member of his administration.
Reagan was elected President in large part due to the "Reagan Democrats" who crossed party lines because they found themselves more in tune with his political philosophy. Webb is going after those same "Reagan Democrats" (as well as independents and Republicans), and this ad is his way of telling the voters that he is not an extreme partisan liberal Democrat.
I suspect that the ad will be very effective, especially after Republicans give it so much free publicity with all their whinging.
Huh as usual you don't the rest of the story,
Webb became Navy secretary in 1987 but resigned the following year, refusing to reduce the Navy fleet after congressional budget cuts. More recently, he left the GOP over President Bush's decision to invade Iraq and other issues. He won a contentious Senate primary in June.
The ad begins airing Monday, said Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd. Allen's campaign manager, Dick Wadhams, called the ads ``disingenuous and terribly hypocritical.''
``Webb was very critical of President Reagan's foreign policy and his defense policy all through the 1980s. He also quit on Ronald Reagan after he did not get his way as Navy secretary,'' Wadhams said.
As usual, one has to go to a foreign source to get the whole AP story, and in this case the uber leftist Guardian in the UK.
I agree
See reply #22.
See reply #22 also.
Reagan said that in 85 and Webb quit as Sec. of the Navy in 87 over differences with President Reagan.
Nancy Reagan sees this as a crass hypocritcal political ad and stated her objections.
Who are you going to believe? Webb or the person who knew Ronald Reagan the best, Nancy Reagan.
If you wish to disrespect a widow(Nancy Reagan) that's your right.
Let's see, a widow, Nancy Reagan, wishes that her husband's image not be used for a partisan political ad, but yet you say it is alright, if that isn't disrepcting the wishes of a widow, I don't know what else is.
I fully believe that Nancy Reagan sees this as a crass hypocritical political ad, and she has every right to state her objections. What she doesn't have the right to do is prevent Webb from using footage of Ronald Reagan praising him. It will be up to the voters to decide whether they agree with Nancy that this is hypocritical, or whether they agree with Webb that he is still the kind of man whom Ronald Reagan once approved of, and hence would make a good Senator from West Virginia.
Politics is not touch football. I've seen a lot of dirty, lying, vicious political ads in my time, and this simply doesn't fall in that category. It is accurate footage and fair politics. It is now up to Allen's campaign to make the case that Webb has changed and is no longer deserving of the praise which Ronald Reagan bestowed on him. So far I'm not impressed by the Allen campaign's somewhat-clumsy response.
Politics is not touch football. I've seen a lot of dirty, lying, vicious political ads in my time, and this simply doesn't fall in that category. It is accurate footage and fair politics. It is now up to Allen's campaign to make the case that Webb has changed and is no longer deserving of the praise which Ronald Reagan bestowed on him. So far I'm not impressed by the Allen campaign's somewhat-clumsy response.
Clumsy? The person(Nancy Reagan) who knew Ronald Reagan best has come out against the crass political ad.
BTW, this is the Virginia Senate race and not the West Virginia Senate race(i.e talk about "clumsiness")
For what it's worth, from the Guardian article at #22, the guy sounds like he's not only a quitter, but he's hyper-critical and not very loyal. Virginia, and the rest of the country, do not need such personality traits in a Senator. The Senate has enough crackpots already.
From that article:
"Webb became Navy secretary in 1987 but resigned the following year, refusing to reduce the Navy fleet after congressional budget cuts. More recently, he left the GOP over President Bush's decision to invade Iraq and other issues. He won a contentious Senate primary in June.
The ad begins airing Monday, said Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd. Allen's campaign manager, Dick Wadhams, called the ads `disingenuous and terribly hypocritical.'
`Webb was very critical of President Reagan's foreign policy and his defense policy all through the 1980s. He also quit on Ronald Reagan after he did not get his way as Navy secretary,' Wadhams said.
Using Reagan in his television advertising debut has benefits - `it will catch a lot of eyes' - but it could alienate black voters, said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics."
Having Nancy Reagan respond was a smart move. But having her respond by ordering Webb not to use the footage was an incredibly dumb move. She has no authority to enforce her order, and everyone knows it. It simply elevates the controversy and gives Webb (and his ad) a ton of free (and generally favorable) publicity.
Nancy Reagan should have taken the position that "Webb was a good man when he worked for Ronny, but he's changed so much that Ronny wouldn't recognize him. It's sad that Webb's campaign has become so desperate that it would resort to using the words of a dead man who's in no position to express his current opinion."
What she said instead was at best clumsy and at worst extremely counterproductive. I don't know if the blame rests primarily with her or the Allen campaign. It will be interesting to see whether she and the Allen campaign quickly back off from her "order" or whether they continue to push that line. If they keep pushing it, that will be an indication of serious incompetence. And it may well foreshadow a Webb victory in November.
What is whinging?
She is asking him to cease. I would think he'd do so rather than have Nancy herself run an attack ad against him.
Apparently only the Democrats are allowed to play hardball politics. The fact is, if you are going to use footage of a dead president in a campaign commercial, you might at least have the decency to ask his widow if she thinks it's OK.
This crass and cynical move is an indication of low character and Nancy Reagan, in asking Webb to desist, is (a) giving him an opportunity to get out of this without her and Michael cutting a commercial together eviscerating him and (b) letting the populace know what kind of underhanded pathetic slime Webb is.
And the same goes for his apologists.
No, she is ordering him to cease.
Asking him might have been politically effective. She could have said something like the following: "I knew James Webb when he worked for Ron, and I thought he was a good man. But using a video from 20 years ago is in bad taste, now that Ron is dead and is in no position to express his true opinion on this race. I'm asking Jim as a personal favor to withdraw the ad, and let the dead rest in peace."
That might have worked. It would at least have put Webb on the defensive. Instead, by "ordering" Webb not to use the footage, it makes Nancy appear arrogant and high-handed. And it makes the Allen campaign appear terrified of the effect that the ad may have.
At the direction of Mrs. Reagan, please refrain from the use of her husband's name, video footage, photograph, likeness, and/or quotes in any further campaign materials, including television advertisementsDo you see "order"? I didn't think so.
Huh did Webb ask Ronald Reagan's widow, Nancy Reagan, if he could use the video. I suspect not.
You think she should leave out the part about Webb stabbing Reagan in the back and quitting huh?
Since it is probably not illegal but merely unethical and inappropriate, I must agree that Webb can do this if he wishes.
The press won't cover Nancy's, or any other faithful friend of Ronnie's, criticism of Webb's duplicity. Webb can count on that.
Perhaps she'll be mad enough to ask Allen to buy her the media time to respond. That would be sweet.
Of course he didn't ask. Fact is, I don't think Nancy would permit the use of Reagan's image for most Republican candidates.
This happens all the time. Celebrities forbid the use of their image -- same with estates of dead celebrities. This is because, as Nancy said, that use of the image implies the endorsement of Ronald Reagan's estate.
I agree, Nancy for the most part has stayed apolitical, but is rightfully outraged about Webb using her late husband's image for a crass political commercial.
Doesn't explain what happened to Webb
My impression was that he was very patriotic etc etc
I am still confused
Disagreeing with Reagan or Bush is one thing but bjoining the traitorus dems is another
Yes i sure have. they are called republicans these days
"I agree that the ad is slightly misleading because Webb was a Republican at the time Reagan said all that,"
Beyond misleading... Webb go the Dem nomination from moonbat leftie support that are vehemently anti-war not just in Iraq, but against every Reagan policy there is... Yet Webb is tryign to peel off disgruntled conservative voters, since if he ran as the moonbat liberal the base voted for, he's toast.
So this is a simple exercise in political hypocrisy of the highest order.
" but it's just a smart move on the part of Webb."
Sure. If he gets away with it. I hope he doesnt.
" Allen should find a way to express that Reagan would have supported him, now, in 2006."
... which he did, by getting Nancy Reagan to defend Reagan's memory and honor and calling on Webb to stop the ads.
There is no doubt that Reagan would be supporting Allen, not Webb.
No, he planned to use Reagan in his ads to lure Republicans to vote for him. He's already got a lock on the Democrat votes.
None of those "Reagan Democrats" even exist today in the Democrat party. The Democrats have been busy tossing them overboard. The GOP has been busy welcoming them into it's ranks.
"I fully believe that Nancy Reagan sees this as a crass hypocritical political ad,"
Anyone with a brain would see it as a crass hypocritical political ad.
Webb has crossed to the dark side. He's a former Republican who voted for Kerry and is now running on a moonbat platform.
The moonbats have a playbook to get liberals back in power, and this is it. Webb is a front man for the liberal agenda:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743286510?v=glance
I do think Nancy can and should have some say in how Ronald Reagan's words are used, since Ronald isn't around to do it himself.
Of course Webb will do what he will do.... but that doesnt make it right.
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