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Criminal Class? Koppel Says 'A Liberal Is a Conservative Who Just Got Arrested'
Today Show/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 09/08/2006 5:11:35 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

September 8, 2006 - 07:58

We're all familiar with this definition of a conservative: "a liberal who's just been mugged." This morning, Ted Koppel devised a variation on the theme that could be taken as an insult to his fellow lefties: "a liberal is a conservative who just got arrested."

Koppel's line came in the course of a Today show interview with Matt Lauer to discuss a special that Koppel is about to air in his role as Managing Editor of the Discovery Channel [so that's where he went after leaving ABC!]. As Lauer described it, the documentary, entitled 'The Price of Security,' addresses "the balance between securing the nation and protecting our individual liberties."

Koppel never flatly stated where he drew the line on the issue, but left little doubt as to which way he leans.

Lauer: "You say this is a debate we have to have right now because it will be impossible to have after another attack."

Koppel: "Imagine what would happen if there were another terrorists attacks. Any discussion of liberties then would be out the window."

I don't believe that. In the grand scheme of things the impingement of liberties that followed the unprecedented 9/11 attacks was relatively minor. But consider what Koppel is implying: that we should agree now not to take measures that would appear necessary following another terror attack. No thanks, Ted.

Lauer: "When Americans are polled a majority say if I have to give up a few personal freedoms and it makes me safer, I am okay with that. Do you think torturing of suspects falls into category?"

Here's where Koppel got off his line: "First there is that old definition of what is a liberal. A liberal is a conservative who just got arrested. People are always willing to give up somebody else's liberties as long as they are convinced it won't be their own."

Eventually, the pair built up a head of steam, making clear that they come down on the ACLU side of the security vs. civil liberties divide.

Lauer came close to accusing the US of torturing terror suspects and to calling Pres. Bush - who has denied that the US tortures prisoners - a liar: "If there is no torture, why do you need secret locations set up by the CIA?"

Koppel: "Precisely. In point of fact with all of the people now and everyone down there [in Guantanamo] they spoke to including the chief interrogator said the same thing: torture doesn't work. It causes people to give you whatever they think it is you want to have just to stop the pain."

Lauer: "The best information comes through a cooperative relationship?"

If that's the standard, next time we catch a terrorist, why not just let Matt interview him?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abc; conservative; gitmo; interrogation; liberals; nbc; nightline; tedkoppel; terrorism; todayshow; torture; wot
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1 posted on 09/08/2006 5:11:39 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Today Show/NewsBusters Ted-Koppel-pops-up ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 09/08/2006 5:12:32 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Interesting. So he's saying that all liberals are criminals? Sounds like he is.


3 posted on 09/08/2006 5:14:14 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If a tree fell in the forest, and a conservative wasn't around, would it still kill the liberal chained to it?


4 posted on 09/08/2006 5:14:30 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Face piles of trials with smiles, It riles them to believe that you perceive the web that they weave)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I never really thought Matt Lauer was stupid until just now:

"If there is no torture, why do you need secret locations set up by the CIA?"

There is no way anybody over 10 years old can be this stupid.

5 posted on 09/08/2006 5:16:08 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Then, this is beyond stupid: this endangers all of us and our families:

"The best information comes through a cooperative relationship?

The biggest mistake America could ever make is to let people who think like this be in charge of protecting us.

6 posted on 09/08/2006 5:18:17 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

By that logic, a Conservative is a Liberal who just bought a house.


7 posted on 09/08/2006 5:18:43 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Ted Koppel is a clown with an Alfred E Neuman mug. He's well past his sell date

What, Me Worry?

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8 posted on 09/08/2006 5:19:48 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who goTHese through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I saw the lib-fest and it was putrid bump.


9 posted on 09/08/2006 5:19:55 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"In the grand scheme of things the impingement of liberties that followed the unprecedented 9/11 attacks was relatively minor. But consider what Koppel is implying: that we should agree now not to take measures that would appear necessary following another terror attack. No thanks, Ted." ---

True.

10 posted on 09/08/2006 5:21:38 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Face piles of trials with smiles, It riles them to believe that you perceive the web that they weave)
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To: beyond the sea

Good line.


11 posted on 09/08/2006 5:22:26 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Imagine what would happen if there were another terrorists attacks. Any discussion of liberties then would be out the window."

He actually believes this!!! More and more evidence piling up that the left is just going off the deep end.

12 posted on 09/08/2006 5:24:48 AM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Why don't we ask America if they care that terrorists are tortured? Better yet, how bout we torture ACLU Lawyers?

Pray for W and Our Troops


13 posted on 09/08/2006 5:24:58 AM PDT by bray (Koffi 4 Food has Failed.......Again)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Managing Editor of the Discovery Channel

Man, I really hate this crap. The various Discovery channels were just about the only place one could go in the huge spectrum of channels to get remotely entertaining/informative programming (Military Channel is great, as is Discovery Science) without a political bias. Now with those bozos hiring Koppel I fear that will all go by the boards, and we will have to endure dripping socialism to get the rest.

Do none of these clowns retire and go fishing? Sheesh...

14 posted on 09/08/2006 5:25:47 AM PDT by WarEagle (Karl Rove did it....)
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To: martin_fierro

"By that logic, a Conservative is a Liberal who just bought a house"

And...Libertarian = An armed liberal that doesn't want to pay taxes.


15 posted on 09/08/2006 5:26:19 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: bray
Torture is ineffective if the subject doesn't know the information you need. There is nothing to indicate ACLU lawyers know anything.

Still, it might be best to try it to be sure.

16 posted on 09/08/2006 5:29:08 AM PDT by magslinger (If at first you don't succeed, squeeze, squeeze again.)
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To: WarEagle
Do none of these clowns retire and go fishing?

Nope, Ted Koppel, Bill Moyers, et al., have not yet finished their mission to convert America into a socialist utopia.

17 posted on 09/08/2006 5:30:28 AM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

not a bad metaphor, however.


18 posted on 09/08/2006 5:32:16 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (live until you die. then live some more.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This got me thinking:

Who is likely to be a liberal?

Union member
A person under 30 years old
A person making less than $ 10,000 per year
A person making $ 30 million per year
An environmentalist
A democrat
An "artist"
A floral designer
An advocate for animals
A "professor"
A vegitarian
A "journalist"
A United Nations supporter
A homosexual, bisexual, transgendered person
A lobbyist
An author
Anyone who thinks Hillary Rodham is a reasonable person.

This could be a thread all on its own!


19 posted on 09/08/2006 5:32:16 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Does anyone know the saying about - "the govt cannot control an honest man so they have to create laws to make the honest man a criminal" -

The original was much better written. I need it to counter a few progressive-socialists who glorify the total police state were are now in.


20 posted on 09/08/2006 5:33:04 AM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Lauer: "When Americans are polled a majority say if I have to give up a few personal freedoms and it makes me safer, I am okay with that. Do you think torturing of suspects falls into category?" "

Lauer: Do you still beat your wife?
21 posted on 09/08/2006 5:33:08 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: subterfuge

And I forgot


Lawyers!!


22 posted on 09/08/2006 5:34:12 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

So, it is a liberal who is the one who mugs the Conservative, thus getting arrested?


23 posted on 09/08/2006 5:36:14 AM PDT by lormand ('offensive' tagline removed)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Ted Koppel devised a variation on the theme

That is a very old saying...
24 posted on 09/08/2006 5:36:25 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Beagle8U
"And...Libertarian = An armed liberal that doesn't want to pay taxes."

Good one, and worth repeating.

25 posted on 09/08/2006 5:37:56 AM PDT by lormand ('offensive' tagline removed)
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To: P-40

Now I gather it is, but honestly I'd never heard it before, only the other one about the definition of a conservative being a liberal who's been mugged.


26 posted on 09/08/2006 5:38:30 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Beagle8U

Democrat = Liberal
Conservative = Republican
Independent = Republican who swore he would never be a Republican
Libertarian = Independent who Smokes Dope


Pray for W and Our Troops


27 posted on 09/08/2006 5:38:34 AM PDT by bray (Koffi 4 Food has Failed.......Again)
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To: subterfuge

hey! i resent that! not all people under 30 are liberals!
and not all union members either. come up to MI. alot of union members here vote conservative, because altho they like their union, everything else is conservative (lower taxes, rkba, anti- gay marriage, etc)


28 posted on 09/08/2006 5:40:54 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: subterfuge
"A liberal is a conservative who just got arrested." More smoke. Joseph Kennedy made an unholy alliance with the underworld to get his son elected. Saul Alinsky taught Hillary this expedient. As a result millions of Americans in major cities have been oppressed by political machines aligned with democrats. They don't even know what democracy is. They don't believe in democracy in Boston, New York or Chicago. They do believe in the Mafia.
29 posted on 09/08/2006 5:43:24 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Ted has gotten a little closer to the truth. Unfortunately, Leftists have a tendence to flirt with it and then spring back to their comfort zone in Leftist Groupthink Mass Delusion.

To begin with, the people he's talking about are not liberal; they're anything but.

A liberal is someone who believes in liberty, freedom, freedom of thought, speech, belief and religion.

The best word for these people is something other than Liberal. I prefer Leftist.

Leftists are the opposite of liberal. They are oppressive, totalitarian, conformist, determined to oppose their opinions on others, to oppress freedom of thought, speech, belief, and religion, committed to censorship and propaganda.

They shout down speakers with whom they disagree, prohibit them from speaking on college campuses etc.

They control and manipulate information.

Right now they are fighting to prevent the showing of The Path to 9/11.

A more truthful statement--though less catchy and laconic--is that when a Leftist faces truth he becomes a non-Leftist.

By definition, a Leftist is delusional. That's what the Left is--a paradigm of mass delusion.

Nothing knocks a Leftist out of the delusion like an attack on his personal welfare--especially his money or financial welfare.

A non-Leftist is not necessarily a conservative. For example, I am not a conservative, but I am definitely not a Leftist.

We have all had experience with Leftists who are lavish and prodigal with someone else's money, welfare, or other resources, but selfish, greedy, and nasty about their own. In fact that's exactly what these people are.

30 posted on 09/08/2006 5:43:31 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush.)
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hey ted, a journalist is just someone with limited mental capabilities and thats the best they can do is read a teleprompter or write the same crap their jschool profs spoonfed them.


31 posted on 09/08/2006 5:49:07 AM PDT by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: Savage Beast

You are so right. The dictionary definition of liberal hardly describes today's left of center politicians.

Koppel and the simple minded members of the "news" media see ideology in such black and white terms, conservative v. liberal. I don't recall any lefties screaming about government intrusion into private lives when Clinton and his administration spied and violated citizens' privacy.


32 posted on 09/08/2006 5:49:18 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Koppel's line came in the course of a Today show interview with Matt Lauer to discuss a special that Koppel is about to air in his role as Managing Editor of the Discovery Channel...."

Darn. And we used to LIKE the Doscovery Channel. Now we can't trust it to be factual anymore. What's next....Dan Rather as managing editor of the History Channel??

33 posted on 09/08/2006 5:51:08 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Ted Koppel wishes he could rise to the level of has-been that Sam Donaldson occupies.

And, speaking as someone who has been arrested before (nothing violent, learned my lesson), it only made me more conservative, just like every time I've been robbed. Back to the dustbin of history for ya, Koppel.
34 posted on 09/08/2006 5:52:06 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yo be fair (I watched the interview this morning) Kopple ALSO said there was no torture going on at Gitmo, and that the most popular interrogation technique was a "hoagie and a 6 pack of Coke"


35 posted on 09/08/2006 5:52:39 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: cake_crumb

CAFFIENE, for Pete's sake!!


36 posted on 09/08/2006 5:54:54 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: Brilliant

Right you are. By his own definition, Koppel is a conservative that has just been arrested. He is in a good company in his cell block (Teddy "Bear" Kennedy, Johnie "I Have a Plan" Kerry, Alferdo "the Internet" Gore and lots and lots of other former conservatives).


37 posted on 09/08/2006 5:58:30 AM PDT by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Early stage senile dementia?


38 posted on 09/08/2006 6:00:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Mi-kha-el
"By his own definition, Koppel is a conservative that has just been arrested."

As for intelligence gathering techniques foloowing another possible attack trampling our civil rights, here did Ted recieve his degree in Constitutional law anyway? How many years did he spend in the CIA, or what branch of military intelligence did he serve in? How about Matt Lauer?

Their qualifications are absolutely zilch, but whenever you turn on the news anymore, all you see are reporters interviewing other reporters on their tinfoil hat theories about everything from national security to sociology, when they have no training or experience in ANY of the fields they're being interviewd about.

It ain't journalism. It's propaganda. Which is why we - sadly - have to cross the Discovery Channel off our list of channels to watch. It had some innacuracies before Kopple, but now it looks like NONE of it's "documentaries" can be trusted.

39 posted on 09/08/2006 6:07:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I'm sure Ted mean "lobotomized", not "arrested".


40 posted on 09/08/2006 6:09:20 AM PDT by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Beagle8U
And...Libertarian = An armed liberal that doesn't want to pay taxes.

Ain't that the truth!

I like your tag line. Same for me. Reagan made me proud to be a Republican.

41 posted on 09/08/2006 6:10:41 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Mi-kha-el
Johnie "I Have a Plan" Kerry

Have you heard that Kerry was in Viet Nam?

42 posted on 09/08/2006 6:11:06 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: absolootezer0

Sorry absolootezer0. I meant people under 30 except for you! LOL! It was just for fun and as I said it was people "likely" to be liberals.

I have relatives who are union members, one of which is my 93 yo grandfather. He isn't a liberal, but he'll vote straight Dem ticket every time. Now my uncle, who is 70 and also a life-long union member has truly seen the light and votes for conservatives even though he's a registered Dem. He has told me stories of how much pressure the unions put on their members to vote Dem.

The good news is that both of them loathe Hil-Rod and will NOT vote for her for dog catcher. And anecdotely, I met a young guy, probably 21 or so at a University of Cental Florida vs. Villanova football game this past Saturday and he talked like a FReeper. I told him it was great to hear a young guy talking sense like he was.


43 posted on 09/08/2006 6:14:05 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"If there is no torture, why do you need secret locations set up by the CIA?"

Wow, so this is where journalism has fallen... Complete non sequiturs passed off as analysis.

"If there was no deliberate genocide, why weren't our war plans released in advance?"

"If they aren't molesting children, why do they keep Area 51 so secret?"

"If Dick Cheney didn't mean to shoot that guy, why didn't he call David Gregory five minutes after it happened?"

"If there is no embezzlement, why won't Matt Lauer release his financial records?"

"If there are no necrophiliac orgies, why does NBC have such high security at their studios?"

"If Ted Koppel doesn't cavort with male prostitutes, why won't he set up webcams in his house so we can observe his behavior?"

44 posted on 09/08/2006 6:15:12 AM PDT by Sloth ('It Takes A Village' is problematic when you're raising your child in Sodom.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
That doesn't even make sense. Koppel's off his meds.
45 posted on 09/08/2006 6:15:29 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I guess Scooter is becoming a Liberal nowdays.


46 posted on 09/08/2006 6:16:20 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Savage Beast
A liberal is someone who believes in liberty, freedom, freedom of thought, speech, belief and religion.

That's known as Classical Liberalism, not liberalism as we define it today.

47 posted on 09/08/2006 6:20:31 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

And a conservative is a liberal who now has kids and needs to get a real job.


48 posted on 09/08/2006 6:21:45 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: subterfuge

s'ok. every once in a while you do run into a pocket of young conservatives, my HS gov't class was one of those pockets. the teacher gave us a "how conservative/ liberal are you?" quiz. most of us in the class only scored one point as a liberal because we were under 35. but according to that quiz, we were all quite a bit to the right of reagan.
also, i just remembered one other class of people you missed to be likely dems.. minorities.


49 posted on 09/08/2006 6:22:46 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0
quiz. most of us in the class only scored one point as a liberal because we were under 35. but according to that quiz, we were all quite a bit to the right of reagan.

Warms my heart...sniff.

50 posted on 09/08/2006 6:27:44 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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