GOP Tries Blocking Libertarian Candidates

http://www.ny.lp.org/news/2006.gopblocks.htm ^ | 8 31 06 | lp.org

[freepatriot32]

LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF NEW YORK (516) 767-4688 http://www.ny.lp.org/ Contact: Richard Cooper, State Chair nylibertarian@hotmail.com John Clifton www.electclifton.org; Michael Sylvia mike@mikesylvia.org www.mikesylvia.org; Eric Sundwall info@sundwall4congress.org www. sundwall4congress.org; Steve Finger 917-623-0652 Finger4Congress@aol.com, www.fingerforcongress.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE GOP Tries Blocking Libertarian Candidates

Albany, NY 8/31/06 Libertarian Party of New York State Chair Richard Cooper reports that general objections have been filed against both the statewide Libertarian petition and that for Eric Sundwall in the 20th Congressional District. Cooper asks “Are the Republicans and lobbyist John Faso desperate to keep the Libertarians out of the race? They know we won’t hesitate to expose Republicans as deceiving the public with less government rhetoric and big government practice.” The 20th District seat held by Republican John Sweeney is thought to be one of the more competitive this year.

A GOP Town leader from north of NYC approached Libertarian Party gubernatorial candidate John Clifton with a proposition: Clifton should publicly praise Faso for his conservative stands on gun control and other issues. In other words, the GOP leader sought an endorsement in all but name from the competition. Undisclosed future benefits would result. Clifton was not interested. He declines to name this political activist he has known for some time. Cooper says the same person tried to have the Libertarians nominate Faso when Weld dropped out of the race. The approach took place at a recent gathering of the Foundation for Economic Education in Irvington-on-Hudson. Cooper declares that “This refusal by Libertarian gubernatorial candidate John Clifton to play political games shows that the Libertarian Party is the Party of Principle.”

Cooper notes that Comptroller candidate John Cain from Congers in Rockland County wore a microphone for investigators when offered a bribe, resulting in convictions. Besides Cain and Clifton, the Libertarians are running Jeffrey Russell for US Senate, Donald Silberger for Lt. Governor, and Christopher Garvey for Attorney-General. On the Congressional line, the Libertarians are running Michael Sylvia in the 24tth District and Dr. Steve Finger in the 11th. –30-

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[freepatriot32]

just typical thats all i can say without getting banned

[freepatriot32]

for a party that cant win the gop sure is runnnig scared from us things that make you go hmmmm

Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here

[TimesDomain]

just ike the dnc that trembles at the word "Green".

Neither party wants to give America a free voice.

[endthematrix]

Happens in IL too.

[ghostmonkey]

Albany, NY 8/31/06 Libertarian Party of New York State Chair Richard Cooper reports that general objections have been filed against both the statewide Libertarian petition and that for Eric Sundwall in the 20th Congressional District. Cooper asks “Are the Republicans and lobbyist John Faso desperate to keep the Libertarians out of the race? They know we won’t hesitate to expose Republicans as deceiving the public with less government rhetoric and big government practice.” The 20th District seat held by Republican John Sweeney is thought to be one of the more competitive this year.

LOL! The liberaltarians can't even down the pot long enough to type a grammatically correct press release.

[ghostmonkey]

Albany, NY 8/31/06 Libertarian Party of New York State Chair Richard Cooper reports that general objections have been filed against both the statewide Libertarian petition and that for Eric Sundwall in the 20th Congressional District. Cooper asks “Are the Republicans and lobbyist John Faso desperate to keep the Libertarians out of the race? They know we won’t hesitate to expose Republicans as deceiving the public with less government rhetoric and big government practice.” The 20th District seat held by Republican John Sweeney is thought to be one of the more competitive this year.

LOL! The liberaltarians can't even put down the pot long enough to type a grammatically correct press release.

[freepatriot32]

so nice you had to say it twice?

[ghostmonkey]

Uh no. The liberaltarians have much more in common with the Demonrats than they do with any other political party.

In fact, liberaltarians quite often openly cheer for marxists. As long as they get their hedonism they are happy.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory54.html

[Calvin Coollidge]

Thanks for posting this. It motivated me to register. And amen to your comment.

[scrabblehack]

What don't you like about it? Would you have said "and that of Eric Sundwall?"

[ghostmonkey]

Here is another rant by a liberaltarian wacko openly cheering for marxists:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/casey3.html

[Calvin Coollidge]

LOL. You obviously don't know a lot about Libertarians if you think we are supporters of big government and high taxes.

[Calvin Coollidge]

Umm I just read that "rant." And I did not find any reference to Marxists. Would you point it out to me please?

[KoRn]

"In fact, liberaltarians quite often openly cheer for marxists."

I don't understand how that could be so. Marxist's views are totally contrary to Libertarian views.

[A CA Guy]

I think the bottom line is that if you have enough signatures, you get to run.

That's about all I can think of.

[mugs99]

In fact, liberaltarians quite often openly cheer for marxists
Got any names, or are you just spanking your monkey?

As long as they get their hedonism they are happy.
Not getting any?
.

[dr_who_2]

...at their own peril.

[ghostmonkey]

Let's see. Liberaltarians support smoking dope, murdering unborn children, the homosexual agenda, destroying the moral foundations of the country, judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda), illegal immigration and a host of other debauchery that I don't have the time to list.

Coincidently all of those are also positions held by the Demonrat party.

You also have the little matter of the two articles I posted where liberaltarians openly cheer for demonrats, and say that they prefer the company of liberals to conservatives.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Libertarians should run as Republicans.

The party itself is a complete joke but the message is there. It's the national party that is destroying Libertarians in general. Too much emphasis on open borders and drugs and not enough on low taxes and limited government.

There's plenty of room in the GOP for Libertarians, just as there's a religious wing and a RINO wing.

[Rate_Determining_Step]

Come on! Was it in writing? A quid-pro-quo? And if so, is that illegal?

Sounds like there's not much news-grist for the Big L press release mill these days. Wonder if Howard Stern is doing anything these days. :D

[ghostmonkey]

I don't understand how that could be so. Marxist's views are totally contrary to Libertarian views.

That's quite incorrect as I already pointed out. The only things that the libertarians have in opposition to marxist democrats are the economic issues, and gun control.

[Rex Anderson]

Have you watched this interview with Clifton and his Lt. Gov. candidate, Donald Silberger?

hilarious interview

Silberger says, "the name I had given to myself politically all my life which is, used to be, Socialist, Leftist...was actually Libertarian."

[Lancey Howard]

I think the bottom line is that if you have enough signatures, you get to run.

And if the rats can help liberaltarians drain votes away from Republicans, they certainly will.

[msnimje]

Is it a "rule" in Libertarian circles that rules of grammar are to be disregarded as often as possible?

I notice a lot of Libertarians do not like to use capital letters, comas, complete sentences, etc.

[MassachusettsGOP]

The 2 or 3 percent you guys pull from us is all the Dems need to win in a tight election year. Thanks alot!

[ghostmonkey]

Got any names, or are you just spanking your monkey?

Perhaps if you put down the bong and read:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory54.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/casey3.html

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

The only things that the libertarians have in opposition to marxist democrats are the economic issues, and gun control.

Libertarians believe in American sovereignty and getting us out of the UN, something that 99% of Republicans don't believe in.

[WestVirginiaRebel]

If people took the Losertarians seriously they might have a better shot.

Whatever problems I may have with the Republicans, delusional conspiracy theorists aren't the alternative.

[supercat]

Uh no. The liberaltarians have much more in common with the Demonrats than they do with any other political party.

Many libertarian-leaning people would be perfectly happy with the Republicans if they would:

1. Stop supporting policies that undermine the Fourth and Fifth Amendment in "support" of Prohibition II.
2. Make clear that "morality laws" are only applicable to public behavior.
3. Acknowledge and honor the clear meaning of the Second Amendment.
4. Articulate a sound and coherent economic policy rationale, bearing in mind that "Democrat Lite" is not logically sound.

Many Republicans refuse to do these things. And if people who want those things have nobody to vote for who will do them, the Republicans have little motivation to do those things (which they should be doing anyway).

[Owen]

When libertarians hold 33% of the seats in a state legislature, then and only then should they be running for "national office" in US Congress and Senate races. Doing so cannot possibly be in anything but a spoiler role.

Prove the party's appeal. Then they are something other than a spoiler.

[supercat]

The only things that the libertarians have in opposition to marxist democrats are the economic issues, and gun control.

I don't think Marxist Democrats are exactly opposed to the rampant Fourth- and Fifth-Amendment violations which have become a routine part of Prohibition II. Further, many Libertarians are opposed to the use of public schools to indoctrinate students into sexual immorality and Marxism. Further, if you separate out the issues where libertarians disagree among themselves, I think you'd find that while a fair number of libertarians take the liberal side in disagreements with Republicans, nearly all of them would take the conservative side in their disagreements with Democrats.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Let's see. Liberaltarians support smoking dope, murdering unborn children, the homosexual agenda, destroying the moral foundations of the country, judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda), illegal immigration and a host of other debauchery that I don't have the time to list.

Proof please. In light of the fact that three out of the last four Lbertarian Presidential candidates were Pro Life, it appears that you don't know what you're talking about.

Coincidently all of those are also positions held by the Demonrat party.

Seeing as how both the Democrats and Republicans have carried on the failed strategy of prohibition, It again appears that you don't know what you're talking about. Educate Yourself

[mugs99]

I read your links. No libertarians supporting Marxists at those links. I'll repeat...Have you got any names or are you just spanking your monkey?

[Calvin Coollidge]

Clearly you have no clue what Marxism is about and your just tossing the word around as sort of pejorative. SO let me adress some of your points. You use the term "Liberaltarians." Thats very clever. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Modern day liberals (as opposed to the classical use of the term) support large governments that tries to tell people how to live their lives. I see no difference between either of the two parties currently in Washington on this point except which aspects of our lives you want to regulate. And one other minor difference. Democrats support big government and high taxes to pay for it. Republicans support big government and big debt to avoid paying for it.

"Liberaltarians support smoking dope..."
Rubbish. I don't know a single Libertarian who supports smoking dope. I (and most libertarians) do believe however that you have a God given right to be stupid if you wish, as long as society doesn't have to pay for your stupidity.

"...murdering unborn children..."
Thats a tough one. Many Libertarians do support that. I do not. To me abortion violates the most basic of libertarian principals. Your rights end when they intrude on someone else's. The Right to Life being foremost among those rights.

"... the homosexual agenda..."
Again your ignorance betrays you. We do NOT support any such thing. We believe that we (and you) have no right to impose our morality by legislation on others. What someone does in private with another consenting adult is between them and God. Its none of my business. And frankly its none of yours either. When the homos try to force by law or government action acceptance of their perverted (thats my private opinion) lifestyle on me or you or anyone else we oppose them.

"...destroying the moral foundations of the country..."
By which you mean the morals that you happen to think everyone else should abide by. Enough said.

"...judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda)..."
LMAO!!! Exactly how many libertarians have been appointing judges in this country? The only judicial activism that I have seen is by a court that has over the last half century been hell bent on aggrandizing the powers of the government to promote the interests of whichever of the two political parties happens to have been naming Supreme Court Justices. If you believe otherwise please give specific examples and not a lot of hot air.

"...illegal immigration..."
I have never met a Libertarian who supports illegal immigration. But if they did they are as entitled to their opinion as you are. Thats another difference between libertarians and GOPers and DU types. When we don't agree with you we will tell you but we won;t call you names generally or resort to childish tantrums. In fact we strongly believe in your right to spout your foolish invective.

"You also have the little matter of the two articles I posted where liberaltarians openly cheer for demonrats, and say that they prefer the company of liberals to conservatives."

Well actually you said Marxists not Democrats. And while you may equate the two (another example of your ignorance) I do not. As for preferring the company of one or the other thats one man's opinion. I generally am more comfortable around Republicans (excepting those in public office) since we tend to share the same outlook on things culturally politically much more so than Democrats. But to each their own.

[Rex Anderson]

"...murdering unborn children..." Thats a tough one. Many Libertarians do support that. I do not. To me abortion violates the most basic of libertarian principals. Your rights end when they intrude on someone else's. The Right to Life being foremost among those rights.

From your link:

"We oppose government actions that either compel or prohibit abortion, sterilization or any other form of birth control. "

[MarkL]

Let's see. Liberaltarians support smoking dope,

Saying that nowhere in the Consitution does the federal government have the authority to make laws against drugs. That it's a states' rights issue. Though I agree, most dopers just like the libertarians because they're for legalizing drug use.

murdering unborn children,

Again, that it's a states' rights issue. The Consitution of the US doesn't give the federal government the right to ban abortions. But again, I agree with you. Many libertarians are attracted to the party due to their support of abortions. Interestingly enough though, the libertarians would ban public spending (at least on a federal level) on abortions or birth control.

the homosexual agenda,

Equal rights for all. That's what the Constitution of the US is supposed to support. However, the "gay agenda" does attract some people who agree with it. But again, at least on a federal level, most libertarians believe that this is a states' rights issue (are you starting to see a pattern here?)

destroying the moral foundations of the country,

You need to be a bit more specific here...,

judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda),

Whoa nellie!!! Actually, Libertarians tend to be very strict constructionists. Far more so than so called conservatives who often do support judicial activism.

illegal immigration

Actually, they favor "open borders," which would end the entire concept of "illegal immigration." Interestingly enough, both dems and pubbies seem to agree with this...

and a host of other debauchery that I don't have the time to list.

Nor do I. I support some of the above, oppose others. I guess that you might be able to pigeonhole me as a conservative-leaning, "small 'L'" libertarian, a bit closer to a Jeffersonial Liberal than anything else.

Coincidently all of those are also positions held by the Demonrat party.

Of course, you left out the part about strict adherance to the Constitutions of the federal government and the states, smaller government, allowing more direct control, and lower taxes, all of which the dems treat like a vampire treats a crucifix!

You also have the little matter of the two articles I posted where liberaltarians openly cheer for demonrats, and say that they prefer the company of liberals to conservatives.

Well, you have to admit that in many cases, liberals are a lot more fun. It depends on the sort of "liberal" or "conservative." For instance, I know that I could have a lot of fun hanging out with Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to hang out with Pat Robertson or Pat Buchanan. And while I like hanging out with my socialist friend Shellie, I don't think I could spend more than a few seconds with most of the dems who are in congress without wanting to put a bullet in my brain.

Mark

[Calvin Coollidge]

Democrats often and mistakenly try to claim the name of being a libertarian. But they generally only support social libertarianism. And even then only on some points. Their attempts to pass thought crimes laws and to force acceptance of homosexuality on the general public by government mandate is totally anti-libertarian.

[MarkL]

And of course, Lew doesn't have any sort of an axe to grind, does he?

Mark

[Calvin Coollidge]

What link? I did not post any. But to the extent that the Libertarian party does support abortion in its platform I think they are wrong.

[Rex Anderson]

Sorry, I got you Calvinists mixed up.

I meant the link in #32.

[Calvin Coollidge]

"Actually, they favor "open borders," which would end the entire concept of "illegal immigration." Interestingly enough, both dems and pubbies seem to agree with this..."

Another point on which I disagree with the party. OK that's two.

[MarkL]

Don't forget the reason for the "two party system" is that it's designed by the "two parties" to stay a "two party system."

Most people don't seem to realize that there's nothing in the founding documents of this country that gives the "two parties" any sort of a monopoly on political power. Some people I've spoken with actually remember learning something about a dual "something" in the legislature, which they believe refers to the "two party system."

And don't forget the MSM and their role in keeping outsiders out.

Mark

[Calvin Coollidge]

"Sorry, I got you Calvinists mixed up."

LOL! Actually I am neither Protestant nor Roman Catholic.

[mugs99]

Prove the party's appeal. Then they are something other than a spoiler.

That argument just won't fly anymore.
There are more libertarians in the Republican Party than in the Libertarian Party, but that is changing. The Republican Party is the minority party. When libertarians sit out elections, Republicans can't win.

Libertarians allied with Republicans to fight socialism and win the cold war. The Republican Party has now moved to the big government left and the cold war is over.

Republicans want the libertarian vote but ridicule libertarian philosophy. The honeymoon is over. Divorce is in the future.
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[freepatriot32]

In fact, liberaltarians quite often openly cheer for marxists. As long as they get their hedonism they are happy.

hi do you know any marxists or libertarians big L or small l how many marxist want no taxes and no gun laws how about no laws that effect people that dont do harm to others ? thelibertarians are the furthest thing from marxist(who want total big xcentral government control over every man woman and childon earthbtw) that you can get

[FierceDraka]

Good job shooting down that Statist whacko, Mark!

"Y'all got on this boat for different reasons, but y'all come to the same place. So now I'm asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin'. I aim to misbehave."

Somewhat appropriate comment, given the context of this thread. ;-D

[JohnnyZ]

, if you separate out the issues where libertarians disagree among themselves,

.... you would have nothing left

[JohnnyZ]

Libertarians allied with Republicans to fight socialism and win the cold war. The Republican Party has now moved to the big government left and the cold war is over.

And there's no war on now?

I'm sure the libertarian cower-under-our-beds position on national defense would work wonders.

[FierceDraka]

Libertarians allied with Republicans to fight socialism and win the cold war. The Republican Party has now moved to the big government left and the cold war is over.

Republicans want the libertarian vote but ridicule libertarian philosophy. The honeymoon is over. Divorce is in the future.

That's the same thing I keep trying to tell the nanny-statists around here.

But, in their hubris, they seem to delude themselves into believing that the entirety of the conservative movement consists of social authoritarians like themselves, and they can simply laugh off those of us who believe in true individual liberty (economic as well as social) come Election Day.

[Moonman62]

The LP once again having delusions of grandeur.