Jews Who Hate the Jewish State--Noam Chomsky and his comrades in arms.

JewishPress.com | Frontpagemagazine ^ | September 1, 2006 | Paul Bogdanor

[SJackson]

"If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." – Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hizbullah commander

"I say this without fear: for those who believe in freedom and dignity, we are all Hizbullah now." – Norman Finkelstein, Jewish anti-Zionist

That any human being could proclaim his support for a movement whose goal is to annihilate all the world's Jews must be shocking to the normal observer. That a Jew could take this position seems all the more astounding.

Yet Norman Finkelstein, university professor and best-selling author, is by no means unique among Jews in his allegiances. His mentor, Noam Chomsky, has publicly embraced the murderous Sheikh Nasrallah. In fact, during the recent war, Chomsky was among several Jewish signatories to an open letter offering "solidarity and support" to the "resistance" in Lebanon and Palestine – meaning Hizbullah and Hamas. And these pledges of loyalty to genocidal fanatics have become quite common among Jews who distinguish themselves by their hatred for Israel.

How is it possible for any Jew to support those who seek the destruction of his fellow Jews? This is the question that intrigued Edward Alexander and myself as we compiled our book The Jewish Divide Over Israel.

Our contributors – including Cynthia Ozick, Alvin Rosenfeld, Menachem Kellner, Jacob Neusner and Efraim Karsh – were all too aware of the tragic history of Jewish anti-Semitism. We knew, for example, that Martin Luther's program of terrorizing Jews originated with a Jewish convert, Johannes Pfefferkorn; and that the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy, which culminated in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was assiduously promoted by a Russian Jewish author, Jacob Brafmann. We suspected that as the Pfefferkorns and the Brafmanns departed the stage, the Finkelsteins and the Chomskys made their entrance.

Today, as in the past, the conduct of Jews who despise their own people spans the full spectrum of political depravity. There are anti-Zionist Jews who peddle vicious libels about Israel. There are anti-Zionist Jews who compare the Jewish state with Nazi Germany. There are anti-Zionist Jews who support the PLO, Hamas or Hizbullah.

There are anti-Zionist Jews who collaborate with anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers. There are anti-Zionist Jews who defend suicide bombings, anti-Zionist Jews who support the destruction of Israel, and – incredibly – there are even anti-Zionist Jews who advocate measures against other Jews that could plausibly be described as genocidal.

It is tempting to dismiss these views as a fringe phenomenon. But not all of our targets identify with the radical left. The liberal Jewish "critique" of Zionism is exemplified by the historian Tony Judt. According to Judt's now notorious outburst in The New York Review of Books, Israel's ruling elite is "fascist" because it once considered killing the terrorist murderer Yasir Arafat, and its scurity fence (intended to forestall the entry of terrorists into a free country) bears comparison with the Berlin Wall (designed to prevent the escape of unarmed civilians from a communist dictatorship).

Worse still, Judt maintains, the nefarious Zionists have convinced America to destabilize the Middle East for the sole benefit of Israel, thus "alienating" its hitherto devoted allies in Syria and Iran. Such is the Jewish stranglehold on public opinion, says Judt, that Americans "censoriously rebuke" anyone who speaks out, shamelessly charging the dissidents with anti-Semitism. Fortunately for Judt, the international Zionist conspiracy was unable to prevent the publication of his thoughtful disquisition on the role of Israeli "fascists" in propelling America to war against the entire Middle East for the purpose of defending a Hebrew-speaking version of communist East Germany.

Perhaps the most revealing aspect of Judt's essay was his rationale for abolishing the freest country in the Middle East. "Today," he wrote, "non-Israeli Jews feel themselves once again exposed to criticism and vulnerable to attack for things they didn't do," and so Israel must disappear.

Thus the legitimacy of a Jewish state is determined by the attitudes of anti-Semites: "Israel today is bad for the Jews." Critics were not slow to point out that the extinction of the Jewish state, along with its army, might also turn out to be "bad for the Jews," inasmuch as it would endanger the lives of several million Israelis. To this rather important objection, Judt gave a two-word response: "Things change."

As this example suggests, one of the salient traits of today's anti-Zionists – especially the academics among them – is their blatant intellectual dishonesty. British professor Jacqueline Rose, in her book explaining why Israel should be wiped off the map, concocts the claim that Herzl and Hitler were inspired by the same Paris performance of Wagner's music. Illan Pappe, a communist historian at Haifa University, writes learned essays documenting a fictitious Israeli massacre at the village of Tantura in 1948. Norman Finkelstein has revived the old Soviet hoax that Israel was poised to invade Syria before the 1967 war.

In these and countless other instances, the anti-Zionists are disciples of Canadian philosopher Michael Neumann, author of The Case Against Israel, who candidly informed a neo-Nazi website that he is "not interested in the truth, or justice, or understanding," unless it serves the Palestinian cause.

Contempt for truth certainly characterizes another well-known anti-Zionist trope, the belief that Israel is the reincarnation of the Third Reich. Ever since the Israeli theologian Yeshayahu Leibowitz branded his country "Judeo-Nazi," the equation of the victims and the perpetrators of the Holocaust has evolved into a malignant orthodoxy in opinion pieces, editorial cartoons, effete dinner discussions and Jew-baiting websites. The reason for its appeal – and for the popularity of alienated Jews who espouse it – is transparent: anyone who convinces himself that the horrors of Nazism have been reborn in its victims can invoke the fate of the dead Jews to justify his hatred of living Jews. Anti-Zionists – always quick to provide an alibi for anti-Semites – are well aware of that fact.

So it is that Noam Chomsky can compare Israel's wars of self-defense with "Hitler's moves to bunt the Czech dagger pointed at the heart of Germany Hitler's conceptions have struck a responsive chord in current Zionist commentary."

And so it is that Norman Finkelstein can avow that Jewish supporters of Israel are actually worse than the perpetrators of the Holocaust: "the Germans," he writes, "could point in extenuation to the severity of penalties for speaking out against the crimes of state. What excuse do we have?"

Perhaps he aspires to compete with the late Israel Shahak – for years a fixture on the PLO lecture circuit – who revealed to the world that "there are Nazi-like tendencies in Judaism."

But even these worthies would find it hard to outdo the London-based Gilad Atzmon, who recently imparted this insight: "To regard Hitler as the ultimate evil is nothing but surrendering to the Ziocentric discourse [Israel's] vulgar biblical barbarism on the verge of cannibalism is wickedness with no comparison." Atzmon is heavily promoted by radical leftists on both sides of the Atlantic.

Although they lose no opportunity to equate their fellow Jews with Nazis, anti-Zionists readily lend a helping hand to actual Nazis. At one time the ne plus ultra of Jewish collaboration with anti-Semites was the infamous Alfred Lilienthal, who insisted that the Diary of Anne Frank was a fake. Then the baton passed to Noam Chomsky, who explicitly praised Holocaust deniers, allowed them to publish his books and essays, collaborated in their propaganda campaigns, and defended his performance with the memorable observation that he saw "no anti-Semitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers."

Nowadays the committed neo-Nazi will find anti-Zionist Jews falling over themselves to assist him. Paul Eisen, of the PLO front group Deir Yassin Remembered, has openly defended Ernst Zundel, now on trial in Germany for his neo-Nazi activities. Neve Gordon, the Israeli professor who sued his critic Steven Plaut in a blatant attempt to silence him, has not called in the lawyers to remove his own articles from Zundel's website. And the anti-Zionist journalist Shraga Elam went to the trouble of writing to David Irving in order to share his belief that "Hitler was no part of the project Auschwitz."

One does not need the wisdom of Solomon to detect in the aforementioned individuals a cer tain lack of charity in the Jewish direction. Even so, it is astonishing to discover the sheer virulence of their opinions about their fellow Jews. Noam Chomsky tells packed audiences that "Jews in the U.S. are the most privileged and influential part of the population," adding that "privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control."

In Michael Lerner's journal Tikkun, which advertises itself as the guardian of the authentic Jewish conscience, we read of Jewish "conspirators" who run America on behalf of "Jewish interests" – evidence of the "industrial sized grain of truth" in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

And even this does not go far enough for Norman Finkelstein, who blames Holocaust compensation programs on "Jewish leaders carrying on like caricatures straight from the pages of Der Stuermer." Is it surprising that Finkelstein's books and essays are reproduced on neo-Nazi websites all over the Internet, or that Holocaust deniers celebrate him as "the Jewish David Irving"?

From collaboraton with anti-Semites and propagation of anti-Semitism, it is only a short step to glorifying the murder of Jews. Many anti-Zionists are happy to take that step. For Jacqueline Rose, suicide bombing is "an act of passionate identification" that creates an "unbearable intimacy shared in their final moments by the suicide bomber and her or his victims."

Safe in her London lecture theater, Rose does not tell us whether the "intimacy" would be heightened if the jihadists were to succeed in their periodic attempts to blow up an Israeli skyscraper.

Another left-wing British Jew, Mark Elf, draws a subtle distinction: "To be rid of an Arab presence is to engage in ethnic cleansing. To be rid of a Zionist presence is to be rid of those who would engage in, or excuse, ethnic cleansing." His comrades translate these principles into action: Jewish members of the International Solidarity Movement travel to Israel in order to facilitate "the armed struggle" for the "liberation of Palestine" – a struggle whose realities can be seen in the burning corpses and severed limbs of their co-religionists.

Occasionally, the bloodlust of Jewish Israel-haters provokes unease: Gilad Atzmon did raise eyebrows when he suggested that the burning of synagogues was "a rational act." But the effect is short-lived. I recall no particular commotion when the prominent Israeli philosopher Adi Ophir contemplated the bombing of his countrymen by NATO.

It must be noted, with all due caution, that some anti-Zionists appear to harbor genocidal intentions toward their fellow Jews. Decades ago Arie Bober, leader of the Israeli communist Matzpen party, boasted of his support for an "Arab revolution" that would either split the Jewish workers from Zionism or slaughter three million Israelis in "another Holocaust." Today we can detect similar ideas in the writings of Norman Finkelstein, who has invoked the destruction of Japanese cities in World War II as precedent for holding the Israeli people "accountable for the crimes of the Israeli state"; he also regards hundreds of thousands of Israeli settlers, including pregnant women and helpless invalids, as "legitimate targets for armed resistance."

In conversation with a neo-Nazi website, Michael Neumann was equally blunt: "If an effective strategy [for fighting Israel] means that some truths about the Jews don't come to light, I don't care. If an effective strategy means encouraging reasonable anti-Semitism, or reasonable hostility to Jews, I also don't care. If it means encouraging vicious, racist anti-Semitism, or the destruction of the state of Israel, I still don't care."

Recall that these are not the ravings of drunken skinheads in Germany or jihadist preachers in Saudi Arabia, but of salaried professors teaching at North American universities.

Sometimes the murderous impulses of Jewish radicals are quite independent of Arab-Israeli disputes, however broadly defined. According to Israel Shahak, even the proto-Hitlerian Chmielnicki massacres in Eastern Europe are not beyond the bounds of justification: after all, is it really fair that "an enslaved peasant is transformed into a racist monster, if Jews profited from his state of slavery and exploitation"?

Competing in his genocidal frenzy was the Israeli leftist Yigal Tumarkin, a founder of Peace Now, who disclosed: "When I see the black-coated haredim with the children they spawn, I can understand the Holocaust."

And if these outpourings seem to be the products of deranged minds, let us not forget that even the impeccably liberal Tony Judt displays a striking indifference to the practical consequences of his proposals for the people of Israel. For Professor Judt, and for other advocates of the "one-state solution," it is perfectly acceptable to leave millions of Jews helpless before the armies and suicide bombers of the Middle East ("Things change"), just so long as faculty dinners and cocktail parties are no longer spoiled by the latest controversy over Israeli military tactics.

Such are the ideas exposed to the light of day in The Jewish Divide Over Israel. Our book's contributors – who range from left-wing supporters of Peace Now to right-wing advocates of peace through strength – are united around one principle: whatever their views on the future of Israel, they maintain that the Jewish homeland no more deserves to become a provisional country whose "right to exist" is the subject of legitimate discussion than the Jewish people deserve to be a pariah nation whose survival is conditional on the approval of anti-Semites.

In repudiating the Israel-haters in our ranks, we affirm not only our solidarity with embattled Israeli Jews, but also our own basic self-respect.

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[TSchmereL]

It should be titled "Jews Who Hate Jews." There have been many in history. Karl Marx comes to mind.

[RusIvan]

Noam Chomsky is the great scientist. The father of whole branches of modern mathematics.
If he critisizes Israel then maybe he should be listen. He won't say nothing unintellegent.

Accually whole this article sounds like a pasquinade on the ideological opponents. Some jews describe the policy of Israel as the ultra-nationalistic and against it.
Isn't Israel the national state for Jews with some discrimination toward non-jews? I heard lately that in Israel there no marriges between jews and nonjews. And non jews are berried on the different cemeteries then jews.
Israel is no different of other national states in the world. No surprise that some discrimination exsists there.

Bytheway the critics on Israel not always mean anti-semitism:).

[APRPEH]

see Steve Plaut's article on a similar subject

Plaut Blog

[AConnecticutYankee]

That is the best summary of this form of insanity I have ever seen. Thanks for posting.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Ping!

[Dionysius]

It goes to show that betraying one's heritage can be equally satsfying with betraying one's country.

[Alouette]

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[Alouette]

Noam Chomsky is the great scientist. The father of whole branches of modern mathematics.

Chomsky is a linguist, not a mathematician.

And when he spews forth on subjects not related to his arcane area of specialization, he is no more qualified than any other ranting airball, including yourself.

[litehaus]

NOam = No Am-erican....for nigh onto 40 damn years now?

[EDINVA]

Just out of curiosity, what branches of modern mathematics can you indentify that Noam Chomsky is the father of?

We've only had to read his works on linguistics.

We've pointed out on this forum for years that they should form an organization called Jews for the Destruction of Israel.

[steve8714]

Chomsky is a semanticist- the kind of scholar who gives excuse to lying diplomats and lawyers. To call him a scientist is like calling Mengele a healer. Israel segregates itself because of centuries of pogrom all over Europe and dhimmitude in the Muslim areas. If they are to have an identity at all as the keepers of our traditions and relationship to God, they must keep separate. I can find fault with many things Israeli, such as their subsidized religious scholars who contribute little else to their society, but they have the same right to exist as Mexico, both in their sovreignty and their culture.
Chomsky says "..nothing unintelligent", everything evil.

[wideawake]

Noam Chomsky is the great scientist.

Chomsky is not a great scientist. His work is great disrepute in his field because none of the three models he has presented work and he can show no evidence that they work.

The father of whole branches of modern mathematics.

Chomsky is not a mathematician. He is in the field of linguistics.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

If he critisizes Israel then maybe he should be listen.

Why? The fact that used to be considered a competent researcher in the field of linguistics doesn't mean he understands anything about ethics or history.

He won't say nothing unintellegent.

Chomsky says painfully stupid things every day. It's his signature.

Accually whole this article sounds like a pasquinade on the ideological opponents.

I'll give you a break, since your English is poor and you have no idea what the word "pasquinade" means. Here's a hint: if a piece contains actual quotes made by real people then it's not a pasquinade.

Some jews describe the policy of Israel as the ultra-nationalistic and against it.

We're not discussing those Jews. We're discussing Jews who hate the state of Israel and want to see it go.

Isn't Israel the national state for Jews with some discrimination toward non-jews?

All inhabitants of the State of Israel have the same civil rights under law. You are dead wrong.

I heard lately that in Israel there no marriges between jews and nonjews.

Then you're listening to idiots.

And non jews are berried on the different cemeteries then jews.

That's the case everywhere. In non-communist states where there is freedom of religion, people prefer to bury their dead among the dead of their own religion.

And privately-owned cemeteries can choose to bury or not bury whomever they want.

That's called freedom.

Israel is no different of other national states in the world.

Many national states are very different from one another. Iran is a national state and it has an evil, repressive, vicious government. Ireland is a national state and it has a decent, free and beneficial government. Israel is a national state like Ireland.

No surprise that some discrimination exsists there.

So why are you singling Israel out for abusive lies?

Bytheway the critics on Israel not always mean anti-semitism:).

If anyone is a critic of Israel in the sense of saying that Israel does not have the right to exist, then they are an anti-Semite by definition.

And you, my friend, are obviously an anti-Semite.

[twinzmommy]

Actually -- in the speech/language/hearing world Chomsky's stuff is still discussed/debated regularly. There are a number of adherents to his beliefs and a number who believe that parts of his work is accurate when combined with other's work.

Whoa, did that make sense? *rereads*

It's really hard for me to sit and class and hear about him *laugh* It's a constant thing though. *shrug* But what I've seen at the University level is not a wholesale discounting of his linguistics work, but rather an association of Chomsky with the "language acquisition device."

More later, I'm tired :) hehe

[MinuteGal]

Finally!

If this article (and by extension, the book) was not meant to be written, it would have written itself.

I only wish the article would have gone beyond the world of international and American "intellectuals" by naming some names of those Israel-hating Jews among the political, business, mass media, entertainment and Hollyweird set.

Leni

[wideawake]

Actually -- in the speech/language/hearing world Chomsky's stuff is still discussed/debated regularly.

Absolutely. But I understand that few professors of linguistics would describe themselves as "Chomskians" and even those that use his work use it piecemeal, in a critical fashion.

[Onelifetogive]

Jews Who Hate the Jewish State--Noam Chomsky and his comrades in arms.

How is this any different from Liberals in America who continually support regimes that vow to destroy us?

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

Chumpsky's theories on language acquisition have been disproven. He's now married it seems to an Arab. He's got tenure and spends his time spouting off against Israel. Academia produces and hires more and more enemies of the West.

[Zionist Conspirator]

At one time the ne plus ultra of Jewish collaboration with anti-Semites was the infamous Alfred Lilienthal, who insisted that the Diary of Anne Frank was a fake.

Alfred Lilienthal was once the darling of the conservative movement merely for being anti-Zionist. His two books What Price Israel? and There Goes the Middle East were published by Regnery, which today publishes pro-Israel books. I guess things really do change. There was a time I would never have believed it.

Unfortunately, some things never seem to change. The "palaeos" and John Birchers still worship at Lilienthal's altar (as far as I know, he is still alive though extremely old). Lilienthal was also a huge admirer of the accursed Yassir Arafat (mach shemo!). These are facts of which pro-Israel Fundamentalists are sadly ignorant (as was I at one time). And of course Jewish liberals still insist that their support of Israel is based on the same ideology that causes them to support Castro, gun control, and "gay rights." I'm afraid these things won't change until Mashiach comes.

Another left-wing British Jew, Mark Elf, draws a subtle distinction: "To be rid of an Arab presence is to engage in ethnic cleansing. To be rid of a Zionist presence is to be rid of those who would engage in, or excuse, ethnic cleansing."

Classic leftist host/guest dualism, like American lefties make for "Blacks and Hispanics." Of course, the "palaeos" who hate Blacks and Hispanics agree with these Jewish leftists because they believe "Zionism" is the cause of the "racial dilution" of "white America" (which the "Zionists" caused by putting Indians in the Western Hemisphere thousands of years ago and then importing Blacks in 1619). Therefore "muds" who kill Jews become the only "good muds."

[Zionist Conspirator]

Noam Chomsky is the great scientist. The father of whole branches of modern mathematics. If he critisizes Israel then maybe he should be listen. He won't say nothing unintellegent.

Accually whole this article sounds like a pasquinade on the ideological opponents. Some jews describe the policy of Israel as the ultra-nationalistic and against it. Isn't Israel the national state for Jews with some discrimination toward non-jews? I heard lately that in Israel there no marriges between jews and nonjews. And non jews are berried on the different cemeteries then jews. Israel is no different of other national states in the world. No surprise that some discrimination exsists there.

Bytheway the critics on Israel not always mean anti-semitism:).

Y'all see what I mean?

[Zionist Conspirator]

Chomsky is a linguist, not a mathematician.

And when he spews forth on subjects not related to his arcane area of specialization, he is no more qualified than any other ranting airball, including yourself.

You're wasting your time with this guy. When a Russian "anti-Communist" praises an American pro-Communist (and a Jewish one at that) for attacking Israel, you know you're dealing with someone who believes Bolshevism was based on the Talmud.

National Bolshevik alert.

[desherwood7]

Why does anybody listen to these idiots?

[desherwood7]

Why does anybody listen to these idiots?

[RusIvan]

If anyone is a critic of Israel in the sense of saying that Israel does not have the right to exist, then they are an anti-Semite by definition.==

I agree that it is wrong.

Israel as the national state of Jews has to exist. But I think Israel isn't be covered from any critics. No need to call any critism as anti-semitism.

[wideawake]

No need to call any critism as anti-semitism.

When someone tells obvious lies, like saying it is forbidden for non-Jews to marry Jews in Israel, their anti-Semitism is obvious.

Saying such things isn't "criticism", it is outright slander.

[RusIvan]

When a Russian "anti-Communist" praises an American pro-Communist (and a Jewish one at that) for attacking Israel, you know you're dealing with someone who believes Bolshevism was based on the Talmud. ==

I don't believe that Bolshevism is based on Talmud. I know that those "jew" bolshevicks who participated in the Revolt in Russia was emancipated jews means they denied judaism. So they were just against jewish religion then Zionism then state of Israel.

That is why I'm for Israel and that jews lived there. I praise Russians in Russia but jew in Israel. I'm against multi-culturism and for everyone live in Russia should be assimilated to Russians.

But I think that the task to defend Israel in jewish task but Russia has her own problems to solve.

[RusIvan]

When someone tells obvious lies, like saying it is forbidden for non-Jews to marry Jews in Israel, their anti-Semitism is obvious.==

I red in press that people from Israel need to go to Cyprus to marry if they are not both of same religion mean jusdism. The Rabbi COunsil forbid to bless such marriges but all the marrirages in Isarel are registered by Rabbi Counsil.
Same way for burriage.

[wideawake]

I red in press that people from Israel need to go to Cyprus to marry if they are not both of same religion mean jusdism. The Rabbi COunsil forbid to bless such marriges but all the marrirages in Isarel are registered by Rabbi Counsil.

One can read almost anything one wants to read in the "press." Presumably this "news item" comes from the Pamyat weekly newspaper.

Again, telling vicious lies about Jews in order to discredit them is anti-Semitism, pure and simple.

If someone wants to have a Jewish wedding ceremony between a non-Jew and a Jew in Israel, Israeli rabbis will not perform it. So couples who want this go rabbi-shopping abroad to find a rabbi who wants to do it.

Are you arguing in favor of a law which would force private citizens (rabbis) to perform ceremonies they don't want to perform? If Orthodox priests in Russia refuse to perform wedding ceremonies between Orthodox believers and Scientologists, should the Russian government force all Orthodox priests to perform the ceremonies at gunpoint?

[TheeOhioInfidel]

Thanks for posting. Excellent article, but they left out another Benedict Arnoldstein in Jeff Halper, a favorite of the anti-Zionist American Left. As far as Finklestein's work goes, it has been generally discredited by a number of historians for its' absurd omissions and revisionsim. Efraim Karsh's work on the Israeli revisionist historians pretty much exposes them for what they are. HIs new book on Islamic Imperialism is a must read as well.

[M. Espinola]

"Noam Chomsky is the great scientist. The father of whole branches of modern mathematics. If he critisizes Israel then maybe he should be listen. He won't say nothing unintellegent."

It figures you would support that communist Chomsky since you hate Israel as well.

[restornu]

Noam Chomsky echos of Lynn Samuels who use to be on WABC and spewing Chomshy negativity

[rmlew]

It is rather scary to see so many once-sane paleocons join Neo-nazis and Leftists in using these leftist self-hating Jews.

[rmlew]

Noam Chomsky is the great scientist. The father of whole branches of modern mathematics. If he critisizes Israel then maybe he should be listen. He won't say nothing unintellegent.
He is a raving leftist.

Accually whole this article sounds like a pasquinade on the ideological opponents. Some jews describe the policy of Israel as the ultra-nationalistic and against it. Isn't Israel the national state for Jews with some discrimination toward non-jews?
Would you extoll Chomsky if he were attacking Russian Nationalism?
Are you holding a 1100 year grudge against us Zhids?

I heard lately that in Israel there no marriges between jews and nonjews.
Thousands of immigrant couples contain at least one gentile.

And non jews are berried on the different cemeteries then jews.
I don't believe that this is correct. I believe that there are civil cemetaries. As for the religious cemetaries, why shouldn't they chose who to bury?

Bytheway the critics on Israel not always mean anti-semitism:).
True, but we are dealing with self-hating leftists.

[goldstategop]

There are Jews who hate their own people. Sad to say, you have some twisted souls out there who lack Jewish pride.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

[goldstategop]

Agreed. We're not talking here about legitimate differences of view with Israel's policy. We're talking about illegitimate opposition to Israel's character as a Jewish State and to its existence. Every one knows there is a significant contrast between the two forms of critique of Israel. One advances the appreciation of her - the other is aimed at undermining her raison d'etre. In the latter respect, Jews like Noam Chomsky, who wish to see Israel destroyed, contribute nothing useful to the debate over the Jewish State. They are Jewish anti-semites to the core.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

[RusIvan]

It figures you would support that communist Chomsky since you hate Israel as well.==

Yeah yeah I see:). Any critics "hate" Israel. Period:).
It is so easy and explain everything:). Of cause Israel didn't do nothing wrong it is pesky critics like Chomsky "hate" it:).

[M. Espinola]

"Of cause Israel didn't do nothing wrong it is pesky critics like Chomsky "hate" it:)."

What did Israeli do which was wrong? Defend themselves after years of being rocketed by Iran's proxy terrorists (Hizballah) armed with in part Russkie weapons which sole purpose is to murder Jews. You relish the thought, correct?

Spill it Putin lover, place all your cards on the table.

Why are you even on FR? Israeli & American haters have their own hate websites.

[RusIvan]

Spill it Putin lover, place all your cards on the table.

Why are you even on FR? Israeli & American haters have their own hate websites.
==

Lover or hater? What if neither?:).

It is nice polemic trick you know so just to accuse the opponent in something shameful then put him on defense.

Russian proverb says: "Prove that you are not a camel":). Mean more you prove more they doubt it:).

Seems for you Israel as the wife of Ceasar is out of suspicions?:)

Defend themselves after years of being rocketed by Iran's proxy terrorists (Hizballah) armed with in part Russkie weapons which sole purpose is to murder Jews.==

The controversy between Arabs and Jews are NOT religious or any ideological. It is the dispute for the LAND.

Each side wants the Palestine land for herself. Jews say that God promised this kland for them. Arabs say otherwise that Allah promised it to them not Jews.

How we nither Jews nor Arabs may choose side if both sides supported by the divine promise?:)

[M. Espinola]

"Seems for you Israel as the wife of Ceasar is out of suspicions?:)"

Unlike you, I support Israel.

The West must be far more suspicious of Putin's long term agenda. Moscow's arming of proxy terrorist states such as Iran and Syria, who in turn wage their war of terror against Israel, plus American, British and other Coalition forces combating the enemy in Iraq & Afghanistan.

The exposed platoon of Putinistas (of which you belong) continue slithering around FR attempting to spread their obvious disinformation in addition to attacking anyone & everyone who clearly state the facts concerning Putin's deep involvement with the Axis of Evil.

Your deliberate word usage as in "Each side wants the Palestine land for herself.." is arch typical of similar propaganda by blatant Arabists. Attempting to de-legitimize Israel is always the first step from those whose goal is the total destruction of the Jewish state of Israel.

There you go again, the Russian mouth piece speaking as an Arab propagandist:

"The controversy between Arabs and Jews are NOT religious or any ideological. It is the dispute for the LAND."

With only about 8,000 sq. miles of land mass it is roughly two times the size of Rhode Island. Israel is 260 miles at its longest, has a 112-mile coastline, is 60 miles at its widest, and between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest. The nation of Israel is surrounded by twenty-two hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships that are 640 times her size and 60 times her population. There are 13 million Jews in the world (almost 5 million fewer than they were in 1939) and 300 million Arabs.

In the case of anti-Western Islamic (Persian) Iran, a rouge terrorist exporting OPEC state Russian is arming at an alarming rate. What are the "land" issues with Israel? Why would the Kremlin be selling advanced weapons to a jihadist exporting dictatorship whose leadership has publicly sworn to exterminate Israel, and the Jewish people on a worldwide basis?

When members of the "Religion of Peace" slammed jumbo jets into tall New York buildings, filled with thousands of people from all over the world, were those Muslims disputing "land"?

[familyop]

"Seems for you Israel as the wife of Ceasar is out of suspicions?"

I don't understand what you're trying to say with that comment. Throughout all of documented history, Rome (including subgroups of its Eastern Orthodox branch and nearly all other branches) has been antagonistic toward Israel.

Most of the Emperors hated Judaism so much, that they and their associates even tried to revise much of their own history to defame it. Many present-day admirers of the Emperors continue to write myths about ancient individuals like Constantine and Pontius Pilate to give them the appearance of benefactors.

[familyop]

"The controversy between Arabs and Jews are NOT religious or any ideological. It is the dispute for the LAND.

Each side wants the Palestine land for herself. Jews say that God promised this kland for them. Arabs say otherwise that Allah promised it to them not Jews.

How we nither Jews nor Arabs may choose side if both sides supported by the divine promise?:)"

I am not Jewish and have no authority to answer your question. But I will attempt to do so, having had a background in Christianity and communicating with Christians (also having a background in study of various other religions and knowing of no command for me against answering such questions).

According to Malachi (3:6), G-d does not change. The Torah predates the Quran by a very long time. That is even made apparent in the Quran text.

The Quran also says that Israel belongs to the Jewish people.

The Koran and the Jews-Muslim scholar teaches that the Qur’an says Israel belongs to the Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146808/posts

[familyop]

It is a little strange to me, BTW, that Russia would try essentially the same strategy more than once.

What led to the Six Day War in 1967?

PalestineFacts.org

Military Provocation By Arab Countries and Soviet Disinformation

At the same time, and unknown to the Israelis, the Soviet Union mounted a disinformation campaign pushing Egypt to join Syria against Israel. At that time, the Soviets were providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt. On May 13, 1967 a Soviet parliamentary delegation visited Cairo and informed the Egyptian leaders that Israel had concentrated eleven to thirteen brigades along the Syrian border in preparation for an assault within a few days, with the intention of overthrowing the revolutionary Syrian Government. This was a complete fabrication designed by the Soviets to destabilize the Middle East. Similar false information may have been given to Egypt by the Soviets as early as May 2.

The build up and aggressive intent were denied by Israel. UN Secretary General U Thant reported that UNTSO observers on the Syrian border:

... have verified the absence of troop concentrations and absence of noteworthy military movements on both sides of the [Syrian] line.

Nasser probably correctly interpreted the Soviet information as an indication to him that the time was ripe for an attack on Israel and that he had their backing. With the United States deeply distracted by the War in Vietnam, the Soviets had reason to think there would be no US intervention. Nassar then abandoned his former cautious policy and took the lead for new aggression against Israel. Syria and Iraq eagerly joined Egypt's preparations, increasing the momentum toward war.

[RusIvan]

The exposed platoon of Putinistas (of which you belong) continue slithering around FR attempting to spread their obvious disinformation in addition to attacking anyone & everyone who clearly state the facts concerning Putin's deep involvement with the Axis of Evil.==

Putin cares about Russia as he think it is better for her. He is the president of Russia not USA or Israel. So he obviously provide the russian business on weaponry.
Iran and Syria are customers who bring the hard curenncies. If Israel and USA were customers then Putin listen thier grieves more carefully.

Your deliberate word usage as in "Each side wants the Palestine land for herself.." is arch typical of similar propaganda by blatant Arabists. ==

The "Palestine" is georgraphical definition. If you listen The Discovery Civilization channel you heard it a lot:).
Then blame the Discovery Civilization of arab propaganda not me:). BTW same channel spead "vicious lies" about jewish organisation HAGANA which was the "terrorists" againt british soldiers.
The Discovery Civilization is anti-semites:).

[RusIvan]

The Koran and the Jews-Muslim scholar teaches that the Qur’an says Israel belongs to the Jews==

Interesting. I trully find it interesting. So those Muslims who build the thier 3d greatest mosk on the basement of jewish Temple in Jerusalim went against Quran?
Very strange indeed.

[spanalot]

"There are anti-Zionist Jews who collaborate with anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers"

There are laws against this.

[Salem]

Excellent defense of Israel at post 40 as usual, M. Espinola. I suppose Russian interests in the Nation of Israel would not be the same as America, as Israel is our only true ally in the Middle East—and therefore, in direct competition with Russian geo-political, strategic, and energy interests in the region.

Friend and author David J. Jonsson, in his recent book, Islamic Economics and the Final Jihad: The Muslim Brotherhood to the Leftist/Marxist - Islamist Alliance, states:

"Before the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) meeting in July 2005, Russian and China’s leaders met at the Kremlin on July 1 to discuss their goals in Central Asia and the upcoming G-8 summit. The meeting signaled a shift toward greater cooperation between the two states, completely solved their long-standing border disputes from the legal perspective, and laid the foundation for greater integration of their state-controlled oil companies and banking sectors. One reason that the atmosphere in the Kremlin was so unusually amiable was the perception that a shared threat loomed larger than their differences in policy goals; that threat was Washington’s role in Central Asia. SCO is a permanent intergovernmental international organization proclaimed in Shanghai on June 15, 2001, by six countries: People’s Republic of China, Russian Federation, Republic of Kazakhstan, Republic of Kyrgyzstan, Republic of Tajikistan and Republic of Uzbekistan. The total area occupied by SCO member-states is about 30,189,000 km2, or about three-fifths the territory of Eurasia, with a population of 1.455 billion people, or about a quarter of total population of the world. Add to this, the countries selected to join as observers: Iran, India and Pakistan, and this is truly formidable." [Page 287]

"...On a global scale, the emergence of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a four-year-old regional grouping dominated by Moscow and Beijing, is significant. As explained in an earlier chapter, SCO members include China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. India, Pakistan,.Mongolia, and Iran were given observer status just this year (2005) in the grouping, which has become a prime vehicle for Russia and China to challenge United States’ influence in the region. Without question, the SCO is being carefully crafted as a geopolitical counterweight to the United States. If it does mature as a competing body to the European Union and NATO, it could signify a dramatic shift in the current geostrategic balance of power that currently favors Washington. In an interview on August 30, 2005, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said Russia’s unprecedented military exercises with China had gone so well the month before that they may be expanded to include several Central and South Asian countries. He added, 'Do not rule out that the armed forces, not only of China and Russia, but of other members of the SCO that will take part, including perhaps the countries that are observers [India, Pakistan, Mongolia and Iran] with SCO.'

Politics makes strange bedfellows, stranger still, when the odd couple is the fundamentalist Islam and the secular Left...." [Page 410]

RusIvan's comments Putin's arm's deals in the Middle East are "just business" is disingenuous. While America openly supports the Nation of Israel in the Middle East, Russia's intentions are certainly less than forward. Especially their support of Iran's nuclear program which is certainly on a weapons grade track, and inevitably pointed towards Israel ... and inevitably America.

Whoever said the Cold War was over should be slapped.

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[Salem]

"Interesting. I trully find it interesting. So those Muslims who build the thier 3d greatest mosk on the basement of jewish Temple in Jerusalim went against Quran? Very strange indeed."

Oh, no one has ever said Islam was not schizophrenic in content and belief, from Mohammad saying Jerusalem and Israel belongs to the Jews, than completely reversing himself. Evidence that Islam is, and, Mohammad was, less than divine....

[Richard Kimball]

Noam Chomsky is the great scientist. The father of whole branches of modern mathematics.

Chomsky's PHD is in linguistics. I'm unaware of any significant work he's done in mathmatics.

[Kozak]

That is why I'm for Israel and that jews lived there. I praise Russians in Russia but jew in Israel. I'm against multi-culturism and for everyone live in Russia should be assimilated to Russians.

Does the same apply to Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia and Ukraine and the rest of the former Soviet Empire? By assimilated just what do you mean? National Language? Religion?