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31 States Record Increases in Adult Obesity
HealthDay News by way of Forbes ^ | 29AUG06 | HealthDay News

Posted on 08/29/2006 10:59:24 PM PDT by familyop

TUESDAY, Aug. 29 (HealthDay News) -- Adult obesity rates increased in 31 states during the past year, leaving an estimated two-thirds of Americans vulnerable to fatal diseases such as diabetes, stroke and cancer.

This, despite federal and state government efforts to curb the overweight epidemic, according to a new report from the Trust for America's Health.

The report, titled F as in Fat: How Obesity Policies Are Failing America, 2006, was released Tuesday and is the third in a series of annual reports by the trust detailing state obesity rates as well as the effectiveness of government policies to fight the problem.

According to official figures, the adult obesity rate rose from 15 percent in 1980 to 32 percent in 2004. Combine that with the number of Americans who are overweight but not obese, and the figure stands at 64 percent. And the childhood obesity rate more than tripled between 1980 and 2004, from 5 percent to 17 percent.

"The most important news in this report is that the obesity epidemic in America is getting worse," Jeff Levi, executive director of Trust for America's Health, said at a Tuesday morning press conference. "The percentage of obese adults exceeds 25 percent in 13 states. That should sound some serious alarm bells."

At the root of the epidemic is a combination of poor nutrition and lack of physical activity, the report stated. Being either overweight or obese increases the risk for a variety of serious health problems, including type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke and some cancers.

"What's particularly distressing is that we think we understand why this is happening. It's happening because the environment is built to promote obesity, and it is so pervasive that in order to make changes, we really need to change everything," said Cathy Nonas, director of the obesity and diabetes programs at North General Hospital in New York City and a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association.

The new report has Mississippi weighing in as the "largest" state, with 29.5 percent of its adult population considered obese. Alabama and West Virginia are second and third with 28.7 percent and 28.6 percent of the adult population, respectively, in the super-size category. Mississippi also has the highest combined level of obese plus overweight adults -- 67.3 percent.

Overall, the South is the "Biggest Belt," containing nine of the 10 states with the highest obesity rates. The region is also home to nine of the 10 states with the highest rates of diabetes and hypertension, both of which are associated with obesity.

Colorado is the "thinnest" state, with an adult obesity rate of only 16.9 percent. Other "thin" states are in the West and Northeast, including Hawaii (18.2 percent), Massachusetts (18.6 percent), Rhode Island (19.5 percent) and Montana (19.9 percent).

Obesity rates remained stable in 18 states plus the District of Columbia.

Every single state in the union failed to make enough progress to meet the national goal of reducing adult obesity levels to 15 percent or less by the year 2010, according to the report.

"The 2004 and 2005 documents reported that there was no strategic policy to address obesity," Levi said. "The 2006 report shows little improvement. While there are innovative promising pilot programs under way in some parts of the country, for the most part, federal and state policies are limited in scope, designed for the short term and woefully underfunded."

"It's a shared responsibility involving individual and society," he added.

"We believe that all stakeholders must be involved if changes are to take place," said Dr. Jeffrey P. Koplan, vice president for academic affairs at Emory University's Woodruff Health Science Center, and chairman of the Institute of Medicine Committee on Progress in Preventing Childhood Obesity.

Among the report's other findings:

Efforts to combat the obesity epidemic have failed to meet their goals, Nonas said. "I don't think they're going far enough," she said. "The perfect example of this is the physical-education and health-education requirements, where states have very little ability to enforce it. It's good that people are doing this, but it's not enough."

The report also offered a 20-step action plan to address the obesity crisis. Recommendations include improved nutritional labeling on foods; community-driven efforts to increase access to healthy foods in low-income areas; improved nutritional content on foods and beverages served and sold in schools; an improved physical environment with more and better sidewalks, parks and bike paths; better physical fitness curricula in schools; and employer-sponsored programs to increase physical activity and provide better insurance coverage for preventive services.

A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that being obese in midlife dramatically increases your risk of dying early. People who are overweight when they are 50 have a 20 percent to 40 percent increased risk of dying prematurely. For obese people, the risk of premature death is two to three times that of normal-weight people. The primary causes of death in the group studied were heart disease and cancer.

More information

To read the full report, visit Trust for America's Health.


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1 posted on 08/29/2006 10:59:25 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

I'll eat to that!


2 posted on 08/29/2006 11:06:54 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: familyop; Gabz
Didn't read the crap.

I've been a little busy reading this..... SUV Driver Runs Over 15 People

And this..... Carter Agrees to Hold Talks With Khatami

No other comment.

3 posted on 08/29/2006 11:11:02 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: familyop

At some point I would like to see a study on the use of growth hormones in our food products and the results on the human body.

I dunno, but since the incorporation of GH into our food chain, I think our population has gotten more obese. Of course, it's also our bad food habits, and physical inactivity that contributes to that.

It just seems that females these days develop sooner as well as males. Call be a loon, but I think their is a correlation.


4 posted on 08/29/2006 11:12:43 PM PDT by Marius3188 ( I have not told half of what I saw - Marco Polo)
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To: Marius3188

You know, ever since the Simpsons came on TV people have been gaining weight in the USA.

Please, correlation does not prove causation.

Food is cheap in the USA -- it's expensive in Europe dueto heavy VAT taxes. Order a dinner in Scandinavia and you'll still be hungry afterwards, order one in the USA for half the cost and you'll have leftovers for lunch.

There are many reasons for obesity in the USA. In the 1960s when a kid wanted chips he had to share the bag with his three brothers and sisters. Nowadays he's likely to have no brothers and sisters, or just have one. Do the math -- no wonder kids from larger religious families tend to be thinner (take a trip to Utah and you'll see that).

Also, less people are exercising than in the 1970s. On top of that we are an aging society and old people are generally more prone to wieght prblems. And on the issue of class people tend to eat more when they are poor because they are getting massive amounts of food stamps, don't belong to exercise centers, have lower views of themselves and may live in areas you don't want to go jogging in.


5 posted on 08/29/2006 11:19:02 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Marius3188

good speculation on the hormones

cortical steriods are known to lead to weight gain in fat.


6 posted on 08/29/2006 11:28:33 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Bushwacker777

I'm with you. We eat too much and exercise too little. We don't even have to get up to change the channels. A fast food soft drink once was 8 oz, and you paid for refills. Mothers prepared fresh food for the family. Now everyone gets take out or goes out to eat every meal.


7 posted on 08/29/2006 11:39:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: Marius3188

Growth hormone is just a protein. It's degraded in your stomach. No harm at all.

Estrogen is another story, though. It could potentially have that effect.

I personally blame it on a sedentary lifestyle and diet, though. Invariably, those who are fat aren't lifting or jogging or rowing. Those who do such aren't.


8 posted on 08/29/2006 11:46:39 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: familyop

There used to be an organization called "Size Acceptance Movement". I wonder what happened to them.


9 posted on 08/29/2006 11:56:46 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: familyop
The report, titled F as in Fat: How Obesity Policies Are Failing America, 2006, was released Tuesday and is the third in a series of annual reports by the trust detailing state obesity rates as well as the effectiveness of government policies to fight the problem.

Just more excuses for the government to run our lives.

10 posted on 08/30/2006 12:04:07 AM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: familyop
Rush was talking about this report this morning. It seems the majority of obesity is amongst the poorer people with he wealthy have the least.

Logical conclusion? Government food programs are making poor people fat! We feed them too much.

Argue with Rush, he said it. Obesity & Liberalism

11 posted on 08/30/2006 12:04:45 AM PDT by DakotaRed (The legacy of the left, "Screw you, I got mine.")
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To: familyop

Instead of smoking themselves to death, people are eating themselves to death. I put on 20+ lbs after I quite smoking. Loosing it required quite a bit of effort.


12 posted on 08/30/2006 12:06:01 AM PDT by Black Birch
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To: familyop

It's a big problem, that's for sure, but for the most part self correcting. Until recently I wieghed 230 lbs. I'm 6 ft and 54 years old. Over the past year I lost 70 lbs primarily by cutting out soda and bread from my diet entirely. The funny thing is I am also a paraplegic so except for the exercise from pushing a chair around (which ain't much) it was all from controlling intake.


13 posted on 08/30/2006 12:07:54 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bushwacker777
"On top of that we are an aging society and old people are generally more prone to wieght prblems. And on the issue of class people tend to eat more when they are poor because they are getting massive amounts of food stamps, don't belong to exercise centers, have lower views of themselves and may live in areas you don't want to go jogging in."

IMO, vanity (including self-consciousness about appearances) and laziness might be the worst enemies of our health. There are many things that one can do without conventional exercise equipment. Gardens can be grown in any climate, given enough earth in which to do so (try over 9,000 feet elev. and ~ 12 inches of yearly precipitation with occasional summer snows). Healthy, basic food ingredients can be purchased once per month for less cost in large packages. We can avoid refined sugar and consume less dairy/meat fat.

As for rough neighborhoods...yes. Residential and business urbanization is an unnecessary and man-made problem resulting from selfishness on the part of many.

Most of the people in my area are not poor at all, but they don't travel in their own yards without motorized transportation.
14 posted on 08/30/2006 12:17:12 AM PDT by familyop (Take good care of yourself, FRiends. Outlive and out-vote the Democrats.)
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To: familyop

IF you believe that men and women should weigh exactly the same.

IF you believe that fat and muscle are of "equal worth" in body composition.


15 posted on 08/30/2006 12:18:57 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: paudio

The PC Nazis lined them up against the wall when no one was looking.


16 posted on 08/30/2006 12:22:04 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Bogtrotter52

...way to go and good work! It helps to lift with the arms (in sets) and to have some kind of overhead bar to pull on in sets, but one needs to progress slowly enough to avoid tendonitis in shoulders. Abdominal flexes in sets (if doable) also helps to avoid back problems.


17 posted on 08/30/2006 1:07:51 AM PDT by familyop (Take good care of yourself, FRiends. Outlive and out-vote the Democrats.)
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To: Marius3188
At some point I would like to see a study on the use of growth hormones in our food products and the results on the human body.

I dunno, but since the incorporation of GH into our food chain, I think our population has gotten more obese. Of course, it's also our bad food habits, and physical inactivity that contributes to that.

It just seems that females these days develop sooner as well as males. Call be a loon, but I think their is a correlation.


It's the SOY baby, it's in everything. Soy lecithin makes for huge busty kids - no matter what the sex.
18 posted on 08/30/2006 1:45:39 AM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: Jaysun

And yes, interestingly, soy does raise estrogen levels, as well. Though I doubt that's what is causing this... ;)


19 posted on 08/30/2006 1:58:55 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress
And yes, interestingly, soy does raise estrogen levels, as well. Though I doubt that's what is causing this... ;)

There might be something to it. Truth be known the increase in obesity and diabetes fits nicely with the "low fat" diet craze. It's idiotic, really. We think that fat flows through our veins and clogs our hearts. Nothing else works that way. We don't have bits of carrot and lettuce clogging up our tickers. And those that are 90 or older today (and there are a lot of them) ate fruit so rarely that it was considered a thoughtful Christmas gift.

I'm sticking with what works. Those in my family live to be a ripe old age, and my great grandfather always says, "Don't forget your lard boy, gotta get your lard." He says it tongue in cheek, but he's 103 so he says everything tongue in cheek.

We'll see the folly in the idea that fat = evil sooner or later. Hopefully before Alzheimer's, heart disease, and diabetes becomes the norm.
20 posted on 08/30/2006 2:12:00 AM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: paudio
There used to be an organization called "Size Acceptance Movement". I wonder what happened to them.

Heart disease (R.I.P.).

21 posted on 08/30/2006 9:41:32 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: Bogtrotter52
I wieghed 230 lbs....I'm 6 ft ...I lost 70 lbs

You must have a small frame. I'm 5-11, and if I drop below 200lbs. I look like a skeleton.

22 posted on 08/30/2006 9:45:21 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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"You must have a small frame. I'm 5-11, and if I drop below 200lbs. I look like a skeleton."

Well, according to the dietician at the VA clinic I can get down to 160 and be in healthy range. I think I look thin, but then I have not been at this weight since I was 18. I know I feel much better, but I think about 175 or 180 will be a good weight to settle at. I had someone tell me once I was wrong to rule out heavier women, I am single, but I disagree. I have found that overeating and obesity are usually indicative of other problems. Just say no to crispy creme....whats so tough about that?


23 posted on 08/30/2006 11:25:03 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Jaysun

"Soy lecithin makes for huge busty kids"

A good reason right there for me to not use that soy milk stuff (Silk or Silt?). As a middle-aged guy I have enough of a man-can problem already


24 posted on 08/30/2006 11:27:43 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: familyop

Foods in our grocery stores has much more to do with it than most realize. The processed foods i.e. refined sugars, flour, oils, pkaged foods, and much more.


25 posted on 08/30/2006 11:34:17 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Bogtrotter52
A good reason right there for me to not use that soy milk stuff (Silk or Silt?). As a middle-aged guy I have enough of a man-can problem already

Right on. Drink the real deal man, full fat. I do. Real butter too. I feel great and look better than most my age (in my opinion).
26 posted on 08/30/2006 11:36:53 AM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: Bogtrotter52
I have found that overeating and obesity are usually indicative of other problems.

Absolutely. Psychologically, there is no difference between overeating, smoking, alcoholism, drug addicition, gambling addicition, sex obession, etc.. They are all ways of escaping reality.

27 posted on 08/30/2006 12:10:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: Jaysun
Drink the real deal man, full fat.

I prefer non-fat milk, myself. More protein for the calories.

28 posted on 08/30/2006 12:11:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I prefer non-fat milk, myself. More protein for the calories.

Really? To each his own. I like the way the full fat milk coats my tongue.
29 posted on 08/30/2006 12:21:55 PM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: familyop

Exercise improves heart health and respiration but is almost totally irrelevant to weight control - that's all based on diet. The obesity epidemic is not due to lazy kids, but to an excess of trans-fats and sugar - or more correctly, high fructose corn syrup - in processed foods. Unlike in the past, today's poor have almost unlimited access to cheap food with ridiculously inflated carb counts. Today, the "rich" eat steak and asparagus and stay slim - the "poor" eat KFC and candy bars and wash it down with a two liter bottle of Pepsi and gain ten pounds a year for twenty straight years. As Europeans have started to eat more like Americans, they are beginning to experience the same problems.


30 posted on 08/30/2006 12:29:45 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Jaysun

You can be sure that most of the soy products aren't organic non-GMO soy. Most soy products are in fact overprocessed and that's why you find soy lecithin in very cheap food stuffs. Soybean oil can be hydrogenated like all else.


31 posted on 08/30/2006 12:39:59 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Eating at KFC will make you poor! Have you seen their prices lately?


32 posted on 08/30/2006 12:40:51 PM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: familyop

It's only a matter of time before them chubbies pass a law that it's illegal to be less than forty pounds overweight.

Then the bums will stand me in front of a firing squad, and they won't even let me have a last smoke...


33 posted on 08/30/2006 12:42:04 PM PDT by djf (Some people say we evolved. I say "Some did, some didn't!")
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"Exercise improves heart health and respiration but is almost totally irrelevant to weight control - that's all based on diet."

It would be difficult to convince me of that. The Army fed 9600 calories per day to me during periods of intensive training.
34 posted on 08/30/2006 12:42:53 PM PDT by familyop (Roma Est Perdita)
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To: Jeff Chandler
More protein for the calories.

But also more carbs for the calories - plus it tastes weak. Smaller amounts of whole milk are better - not drinking the stuff at all is probably best. ;)

35 posted on 08/30/2006 12:44:15 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: familyop
The Army fed 9600 calories per day to me during periods of intensive training.

And you were 18. At 40, all the training in the world won't get that stubborn fat off without significant dietary changes.

36 posted on 08/30/2006 12:45:19 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I am fortunate to live in an area where there are a lot of kitchen gardens and farm stands. Every day I eat fresh fruit off trees, blueberries and wild weeds. Nothing like fresh chicory in a salad. Whatever I can't get for free, I supplement with purchases at the local Wally World grocery store. My vice is coffee and even that I use half condensed milk and half vitamin enriched soy milk. Someday when I have my own farm, I'll have a dairy goat and enjoy dairy products more often.

Another thing I do is I walk wherever I have to go as long as it's within five miles. I do yoga, powerwalking and now I do the marine corps daily sixteen. I'm not saying these things to impress anyone. I'm doing these things despite the fact that I didn't have a job for the past month and hardly any extra cash. A person can still maintain a health lifestyle even if they're 'poor' (is anyone really poor in America?).


37 posted on 08/30/2006 12:46:00 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: cyborg

I have a modest garden with tomatoes, lettuce, beets, carrots, cukes and a few other things.

It is not unusual, actually it's pretty routine for me to have a salad of lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, beet greens(WONDERFUL!!!) and oil and vinegar dressing, usually with a bit of parmesan sprinkled on.

And every day after I eat like that I feel better and have more energy. Without exception.


38 posted on 08/30/2006 12:52:12 PM PDT by djf (Some people say we evolved. I say "Some did, some didn't!")
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To: djf

Yup. I feel very satisfied after eating from my own garden as well. I use the same dressing too. Notice that you don't need a lot because the veggies are so flavorful! I eat tomatoes right off the vine.


39 posted on 08/30/2006 12:56:37 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: cyborg
You can be sure that most of the soy products aren't organic non-GMO soy. Most soy products are in fact overprocessed and that's why you find soy lecithin in very cheap food stuffs. Soybean oil can be hydrogenated like all else.

I think the whole "organic" or "all natural" idea is nonsense too. Forgive me for being crass. Everything on earth is "all natural" - they aren't importing things from another dimension. And the fact remains that we're all living longer, healthier lives. It could be that children are developing sooner because of better nutrition.

I also hate the organic and/or locally grown movement because I've seen the left discuss it as a way to cripple the US economic juggernaut. Our cheap food, they reason, enables us to put resources elsewhere and thus become more powerful. I've never seen a powerful US as a bad thing. But I'm not a Marxist nut either.
40 posted on 08/30/2006 1:26:20 PM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
" And you were 18. At 40, all the training in the world won't get that stubborn fat off without significant dietary changes."

I was almost 32 years of age while going through three months of one-station unit initial training (men only, no passes, no sweets, not allowed to walk except while marching in formation, no "give me 20" for pushups but rather, "drop, and beat your face, you @%#%*$+!, 'till I get tired"--10 percent of the training company (~ 110 men) lost during the first 8 weeks due to stress fractures and suicides/attempts, and so on).

I stayed in that specialty until I was 39 (almost 40), continuing around-the-clock training, including road runs in full gear/protective gear, the same heavy diet when in the field, and the like.

Now I eat lots of pancakes with eggs on top, real butter and often corn syrup for breakfast every two days (cereal, milk and fruit on days in between). I eat home-baked white bread and much of it. ...also meat (~ 1/3 lb. of beef--well done--per day or two lbs. of poultry--occasional fish), vegetables, egg noodles, potatoes, rice, fruit, some cereal (mostly oats) and dairy products (not more than a half pint of milk and some cheese). ...three old fashioned meals per day.

...near 50 now. I've lost about 40 lbs. over the past few months while walking, running, doing calisthenics, lifting boulders (too miserly to buy weights), gardening and snowboarding (during winter). Exercise is done at about 9,000 feet elev. ...within a healthy body mass index now. Work for pay is done at this keyboard.

My neighbors (mostly financially well-to-do) don't cross their own yards without motorized transportation, don't garden and don't cook from scratch. They drive long distances for entertainment when are bored (every day) and eat mostly meat (often nearly raw, as ist der custom here), pop, beer and pastries. They are getting huge.
41 posted on 08/30/2006 1:30:00 PM PDT by familyop (Roma Est Perdita)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Ah..."110" was the whole company. ...10 percent of that.


42 posted on 08/30/2006 1:33:05 PM PDT by familyop (Roma Est Perdita)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Not to mention hanging out the laundry, not having a dishwasher, and no a/c. Sweating helps lose a lot. Not to mention standing to wash dishes and having to carry a large load of laundry to the line and back.


43 posted on 08/30/2006 1:33:39 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Like food and fun? Join the Freeper Kitchen ping list.)
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To: Jaysun

Have actually been reading that people who have real fatty diets (whole milk, butter, etc.) actually live longer and are healthier than those who go for the soy and unsaturated fats.


44 posted on 08/30/2006 1:35:33 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Like food and fun? Join the Freeper Kitchen ping list.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I would think exercise has a lot to do with weight control. I eat healthy, but don't walk nearly as much as my husband (who when he gets a chance to eat is likely to eat a pack of donuts). He's almost smaller than his high school wrestling weight.


45 posted on 08/30/2006 1:37:57 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Like food and fun? Join the Freeper Kitchen ping list.)
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To: Jaysun

I guess anything can be perverted in the hands of the left. Nothing subversive about growing a garden or wanting to buy things without pesticides though.


46 posted on 08/30/2006 1:41:10 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Have actually been reading that people who have real fatty diets (whole milk, butter, etc.) actually live longer and are healthier than those who go for the soy and unsaturated fats.

That what you say sounds absurd speaks to the effectiveness of repetitive BS. The evidence says that what you claim is absolutely true. In fact a 40 year $300 million dollar study of tens of thousands of people says just that. And the cholesterol scare is nonsense as well - low cholesterol (good/bad whatever) is associated with poorer health and a shorter life. But you can't tell that to someone that's heard otherwise for the past several decades. So the rates of Alzheimer's, diabetes, obesity, and cardiovascular disease continue to climb. Go figure.

I say that if it's important to you look at the facts yourself. Most will be very surprised.
47 posted on 08/30/2006 1:46:57 PM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: cyborg

Gardening is fun! ...can't say that I'm having much luck with organic, floral pest repellents, though. I'm going to see if sevn dust (pesticide--3 days to neutralization, IIRC) is still available.


48 posted on 08/30/2006 1:47:15 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: cyborg

I am lucky, though, that there are very few bugs at 9,000 feet.


49 posted on 08/30/2006 1:48:00 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: cyborg
I guess anything can be perverted in the hands of the left. Nothing subversive about growing a garden or wanting to buy things without pesticides though.

You're absolutely right.
50 posted on 08/30/2006 1:50:07 PM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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