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Posted on 08/24/2006 8:08:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
SACRAMENTO, Calif., Aug. 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- With the support of forty-one police chiefs from around the state, the state senate today passed a bill (22-18) that will help police solve gun crimes and catch gun traffickers The bill, AB 352, requires that a new ballistics identification technology be required on all new semiautomatic handguns sold in California after 2008.
The new technology, microstamping, uses powerful lasers to make extremely precise, microscopic engravings on a handgun's firing pin or inside the firing chamber. These engravings reference the serial number of the handgun. When a bullet is fired from the handgun, the marks are transferred to the bullet casing. So when the police retrieve the bullet casing at a crime scene, they can quickly track down the legal owner of the handgun that fired it.
Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) is the lead sponsor on the bill, with the Coalition to Stop Handgun Violence, the organizational sponsor. A coalition of groups has been fighting to pass the bill since last year, including the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Legal Community Against Violence, Women Against Gun Violence, and the California Million Mom March Chapters along with their parent organization, the Brady Campaign.
Griffin Dix, the president of the California Million Mom March Chapters, stated, "Currently, no arrest is made in approximately 45 percent of all homicides in California because police lack the evidence they need. This bill will help police solve crime by providing them with new and meaningful leads for solving handgun crimes."
"On behalf of our law enforcement supporters and victims of crime we work with every day across the nation, I applaud the California State Senate for embracing this innovative technology. I'm hoping the Governor will listen to a fellow Republican and sign this bill once it passes," said Paul Helmke, the new president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Paul is a former three-term Republican Mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana.
As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, working with its dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, is devoted to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in our communities.
http://www.usnewswire.com/
Hey, gun manufacturers - time to stop selling guns to California. Especially the police in California.
Nothing that a few seconds with fine emery paper or a Scotchbrite pad won't fix. What a bunch of ignorant fools.
What an incredibly stupid, wasteful law.
Are they aure about this. Why do I think they don't really care about solving crime?
The new technology, microstamping, uses powerful lasers to make extremely precise,...
Maybe because they really just want to make it more expensive to manufacture, and therefore own firearms?
Leftists are scum.
Won't have much impact on drive by shootings, robberies and the majority of gun related crimes.
But the libs will feel better for having done something (even if its wrong).
Cut to East LA Street Scene:
Joe Gangbanger: Hey, man, I need a piece so I can get paid tonite!
Fred Strawman Purchase: Sorry, Joe, but all I have is pre-2008 guns that don't imprint ballistics. I can't sell them to you illegally!
Joe Gangbanger: Oh, man, that sucks the head cheese! Now I'm gonna have to get a job at Burger King if I want some pocket cash!
The following fantasy was brought to you by the California Legislature, the Brady Campaign, the Democratic Party, the UN and other similar cranial-rectal inversion people around the globe.
I'm about as dumb as a rock with this new technology, but somebody please tell me how many times does a bad guy leave a casing at the crime scene?
2nd... If I were a bad guy, what would prevent me from grabbing a handful of casings from the range, and scattering them all over the crime scene?
This is all a plot by the manufacturers of brass-catchers.
---Hey, gun manufacturers - time to stop selling guns to California. Especially the police in California.---
Took the words out of my mouth.
Since I live in California, I'd better hurry up and buy that 1911 before the price goes even higher.
Answer One:
Pretty often
Answer Two:
Nothing
But the real silliness is that the majority of drive-bys are committed by stolen weapons, so the ID will lead the police back to someone who will immediately (truthfully or not) claim the gun was stolen. By the way, there's another bill that will make it a crime to not report the theft of your gun.
Sometimes, though, crook's attempt to outsmart the system is what catches them. One of the primary sources for finding hit and run drivers is looking for people who call the cops half an hour after the crime and report their car stolen.
Since an extremely high percentage of those wanted in violent crime are illegal aliens, how will this help catch those? Will they then be deported or just us gringos.
Which is why you'll see them out there, every night, getting gang-bangers off the streets..... or not.
All the BGs will just use revolvers...
They just can't get it thru their heads that CRIMMINALS DO NOT OBEY THE LAW.
(In 35% TinFoilHat mode) You know this could be some sort of attempt to pay S&W back for their HUD collaboration - it'll make S&W revolvers more popular. (or so they think)
Yeah, that'll be helpful. Instead of having victims shot with 9's that they might survive, we'll have victims being gunned down with .44 magnums.
Maybe they really don't care about crime at all.
What happens when you change out the firing pin? It doesn't cost much at all, depending on the weapon, and takes about 5 minutes.
what about the ten zillion guns on the street before '08? these liberals will never get it.
No they won't. They will use guns made before 2008. Besides its a California law, gun makers won't bother making auto loading handguns guns just for California. After 2008 if this law stands, you'll have to buy used autoloading handguns.
I guess criminals will just have to get their guns illegaly now.
They'll probably require that the new firing pin be put into a gun and used to produce a few cases for the state. This will make it slower and more expensive to sell the things and thus more expensive to buy. The fewer people who can afford firearms, the better as an armed population might be more dangerous to the state.
the better as an armed population might be more dangerous to the state.
But the guns could just come in illegally from out of state. So maybe they just want to make things more inconvenient/expensive out of spite.
This is what I find alarming, since when did police pass laws in California? When did it become a police state? Police are employees, law enforcers, not lawmakers. This is unconstitutional.
They will probably allow people to keep their pr-'08 semi-autos, but ban them from reselling them.
Manufacturers won't bother, and if they do, only the law abiding citizen will get screwed by the extra cost. I wonder how this will work for people moving into the state after 2008 with new guns bought in a different state? Add this on to the list of stupid laws made in 2006 by the loony left. It goes right under the one passed in Chicago yesterday banning ducks with big livers from over feeding them. Apparently it's cruel to eat fat ducks.
I'm guessing this hasn't passed the Cali House yet?
Oh my gosh. How stupid can these nuts get. What is to prevent criminals from tearing down the gun and replacing or altering the pin. There is nothing in this gun industry that cannot be altered and will be. Another stupid way to increase the cost of a gun. And that is not to mention that the criminal can pick up the brass. Wow!!!!!! Really bright.
Don't be silly Norm, I'm sure it will be illegal to alter the pin, so the guy who is about to rob, murder, etc won't want to break the law and change it. sarcasm/
Or they will somehow make it so it's very difficult to change again driving costs even higher so that gun makers won't make or sell them in Calif, so they'll win anyway.
That's all they need to do. Laws are not about results. They are about convincing voters that they are doing something to make them safer. Besides, if this makes the cost of a gun fractionally higher, a few people here and there will be stripped of the ability to afford a gun, and that's a good thing (as far as they are concerned).
Actually, if they're smart about it, they'll engrave it into the breech or bolt face so that it doesn't stamp itself so much as the lack of material there causes the casing to deform to the desired shape in that area. (Like the negative part of a mold)
75% of those on the most wanted list in LA are illegal aliens.
The LA times reports, that the FBI says that half of all gang members are illegals from Mexico and South America
29% of those in federal prison are illegal aliens.
They know perfectly well that this law will not do any of the things that they claim. The goal is to disarm the law-abiding citizen, one increment at a time.
Where are you getting this stat? I live in NYC and I can tell you for a fact, not here, not by a long shot, not even close.
"Am I wrong, or would a criminal only have to pick up his casings to foil this new law?"
You're right, but I don't see a lot of drive-bys coming back to police up their brass.
Most shootings don't happen in the privacy of a home. They happen on the street and people run away. They don't have time to grab the casings. But this is moot because all the guns on the street used in crimes are illegal. OK, 99.9% of them.
Sorry, missed your stats. I guess Cali is far different from NYC in that respect then. I work in the Brooklyn system and I almost never see illegals charged with serious crimes, DUI sometimes but that's about it.
This is nothing more than incremental backdoor gun control.
Having gone to high school in LA not all that long ago, I can tell you that some of the driveby artists saw this one coming.
Instead of leaning outside the car and shooting their weapons at full arm extension, they'll simply keep the gun inside the vehicle and use the car as a brass catcher (which is what some of the brighter ones were doing as early as 92). Assuming they care at all, that is.
As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign "<
Uh, if it's non-partisan why is he selling his (R) to push an agenda?
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