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Is Bush Down for the Count?
NewsMax ^ | 21 August 2006 | John L. Perry

Posted on 08/21/2006 3:30:36 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

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To: kittymyrib

Yeah, but are we Santa Anna or Sam Houston. Frankly, I'm not sure.


21 posted on 08/21/2006 4:21:46 AM PDT by fix
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To: olezip
Return with me to the thrilling days of yesteryear ...we're talking '73-'74 here ... when I was a seminarian doing field work in a suburban DC parish.

One of my parishioners, devout, active, all that, had me over for dinner one night. As we conversed he talked about how he was less than a year from retirement of his federal gov't job and consequently he was taking it easy at work, secure in the knowledge that he could not be fired -- as he said.

2 hour lunches, careful persual of the entire newspaper, things of that kind occcupied his workaday world.

I was stunned then that he didn't see that this was a kind of theft. And I submit now that, as Garry Wills (!) said in Nixon Agonistes, written in the late 60's or early 70's, there is a a vast force of gov't employees not at all invested in doing the job well, but jealous of their twice-the-average salaries and benefits.

Such an attitude is essentially Democratic, and holders of that attitude will have no problem in seeing Republicans fail and in throwing a hundred hindrances and snares in the way of Republican programs.

Yes, both Bushes are a tad trammelled in the "kinder,gentler" approach and fail to see how forthright words AND ACTIONS can frequently accomplish far more than the "come, let us reason together" (Isaish, through LBJ) approach.

But I think it would take a generation of Republican leadership before the vast sea of federal civil service workers was cleansed of pollutants.

FDR et seq. have left us with a huge and bulky government with intrinsic and organic tendencies to bear to port. Trimming this ship of state will take more than shuffling employees, I think.

So while I think you are both right in particulars, the corrections you envision are not to be accomplished in one or two terms.

Here endeth the pompous pontification.

22 posted on 08/21/2006 4:36:25 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: maryz
maryz wrote: "Well, he's now senior editor and a regular columnist for NewsMax.com.
A lot of FReepers used to be liberals, many a lot more recently that 1976-80."


There is one thing which you can rely upon when reading that writer's opinion. John L. Perry is not a conservative.

Columnist for Newsmax or not, Perry has embraced tightly his apparent long held bleeding heart beliefs in that piece.

At best, John L. Perry is a liberal clothed in conservative clothing.

23 posted on 08/21/2006 4:36:49 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Mad Dawg

Your observations are, more or less, correct. The average tenure of a political appointee is 2 1/2 years. I suspect that high profile civil service positions also have a relatively short tenure. Also, high profile civil service positions can be converted to political appointees, and vice-versa. I believe that Clinton converted a number of his political appointees to civil service positions upon the change of administrations, thus bolstering my claim that the kinder, gentler approach has left many operatives in the civil service.


24 posted on 08/21/2006 4:44:13 AM PDT by olezip
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To: DB

Which is why we don't get George Washington-types any more to run....


25 posted on 08/21/2006 4:51:10 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: bd476

Interesting. And leave it to NewsNot to use his work. NewsMax is about as useful a source as the NYT.


26 posted on 08/21/2006 4:51:14 AM PDT by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: KarinG1

I'm very fearful W won't get re-elected.


27 posted on 08/21/2006 4:54:20 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: DB
I'm not sure that this is all about the truth.

We get the Sunday WaPo because it has the best funnies available in central VA. The lead article in the "Outlook" (editorial) section yesterday began with saying that "The debate is over" -- Iraq is mired in civil war, blah blah. Inside, Bill Buckley's characterization of Iraq as a failure receives some play.

But look how they get there: All that's bad in Iraq is trumpeted. None of the good makes into the newspaper, much less on to page one. And that bad is given without context, without history, without, for example, comparison to Iraq before, to the lengthy recovery in Japan and Germany, much less in, say, Italy, Greece, and China after WWII.

All the bad is highlighted and then compared not to what is possible but what would be perfect.

Then this great disparity is laid at the feet of Bush who is as feckless in their imaginings as Carter was in reality.

The dust and smoke from this barrage of half-truths and outright lies make it hard to hold on to the reality.

My guess is that even the White House is at least a little dazed by the lies of the lame-stream Media, by the constant, never-ending storm of distortion.

Consequently, I think the people like the writer of this article need to point out, to emphasize, that the treacheries of the MSM are largely to blame for such fecklessness as we sometimes see in the White House.

It seems not unimportant to me that a huge majority of people in government saw the same WaPo I did, and that, whether or not they agree, it colors their thoughts and attitudes this morning.

To the extent that this writer has a point, he also fails in identifying what it is that drains the White House of its vigor, and strengthens its detractors. Whatever else they do today, the president's supporters are going to have to spend at least a little time persuading their wavering supporters that once again, the WaPo is wrong, and here's why ... That takes time that could be used on other things, like winning the WOT.

28 posted on 08/21/2006 4:55:02 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Yeah, DARN that pesky Constition!

I am fearful that, as the Dims and the MSM clearly realize, this election COULD be pivotal and that there is not very much presidential timber in the Republican plantation.

29 posted on 08/21/2006 5:01:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The hard cold truth is being revealed by what we're doing about Iran getting nukes.

There's little indication that they will be stopped prior to getting them - if they don't already have them.

They will have to be stopped later - because we will have no choice - but likely at a terrible cost.
30 posted on 08/21/2006 5:02:22 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Clara Lou
Clara Lou wrote: "Interesting. And leave it to NewsNot to use his work. NewsMax is about as useful a source as the NYT."

It sure is looking that way, Clara Lou.

31 posted on 08/21/2006 5:02:48 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

This is just my opinion, but NewsMax takes the news, posts it 2-3 times as news on their site, then puts it through a treatment process not unlike food going through the digestive system with a final product which is usually fertilizer. This article is an example.


32 posted on 08/21/2006 5:08:24 AM PDT by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: Clara Lou

ROFLOL!


33 posted on 08/21/2006 5:09:23 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Aussie Dasher
His bold Bush Doctrine of striking down terror before it shatters us is in disarray in Afghanistan, Iraq, even here at home. His magnificent ambition to plant the seeds of liberty and spread freedom throughout the enslaved world is unraveling.

I stopped there. This guy is just pushing the same crapola lies that we have seen before. Additionally, Bush is a lame duck and I doubt that he really cares how he is perceived by the voters, he has virtually no stake in the next presidential election, he can't run and he's smart enough to know that whatever happens in '08 is going to happen, regardless of what he does.

The Dems have made a large gamble in the belief that they will be taking over at least one of the houses of Congress this election. If you want to see true "disarray", let's prove the Dems wrong - AGAIN!! - and see how '08 shapes up for them.
34 posted on 08/21/2006 5:10:12 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Miss Marple
"With the exception of Norm Minetta and George Tenet, all political appointees of the Clinton Administration were gone before the end of 2001."

And look at the damage THEY did---especially Tenet (and the liberals Tenet and Clinton hired are still working against Bush and America).

35 posted on 08/21/2006 5:14:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Aussie Dasher

36 posted on 08/21/2006 5:18:26 AM PDT by Gritty (If you can't question their patriotism when they want to lose a war, when can you? - Mark Steyn)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Even if this guy is a liberal who wrote this, I do agree with him that it is more important than ever to pray for our President. He will have some tough decisions to make in the coming days.


37 posted on 08/21/2006 5:24:36 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: DB
What I'm clearly failing to articulate here is something like this.

The appropriate response to Iranian nukes requires EITHER a united international alliance OR a resolved and united nation determined to act without international support. (Both together wouldn't hurt.)

The treacherous MSM are working HARD, persistently, unstoppingly against BOTH, and mostly against unity and determination on the part of the US.

Bush, IMHO, cannot act resolutely without 60 senators and a good majority of congresscritters behind him. Elections are coming up. And the treacherous newsies are doing whatever they can to deprive Bush of the support he needs.

I'm not saying things are all hunky-dory. I AM saying that credit and blame should be laid where they belong. Bush cannot lead if Congress won't follow. It's a matter, at least, of resources. That dope of a judge who ruled against the wire-tapping ruled FOR diverting gov't time and resources away from the WOT toward shepherding that case through the courts. SINCE (not if) The Dims (and, shamefully, some Republicans) will take the Supremes decision about Git'mo and turn it into a recrimination-filled log-rolling festival in which they offer to trade the nation's survival for the 203rd waste-water treatment plant in Osceola named after some one-term DemocRAT congressdude.

And every Dim rant about Bush acting like a cowboy when he attempts something effective will e amplified by repetition in the MSM until both houses of Congress get the heebie-jeebies and start thinking that if they don't bribe their constituents with words of pablum and gifts of pork they'll never see the sun rise over DC again.

Bush is indeed wavering. He may indeed have a knee on the canvas. But it's the MSM that is delivering the punches.

I'm going to talk to the bosslady aboyt dropping the WaPo because even the funnies, and not just the predictable and now hackneyed Doonesbury are actively campaigning against the nation and for the Democrats.

If instead of Goliath, David had had to fight the many-headed Hydra, one well-slung stone would not have won the fight, and that would have not been because of any lack of resolution on David's part.

38 posted on 08/21/2006 5:34:15 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: Clara Lou
NewsMax magazine has in depth articles in their magazine each month. I learned a lot about Soros in Richard Poe's article there.

The web site tries to give people the daily news with as much conservative spin as possible. If people went there and not to MSN News or Yahoo News they'd they wouldn't have the headlines of defeatism (this article excluded) in their head.

If NewsMax was in your doctor's waiting room and not Newsweek the conservative cause would be better represented. At least they don't have an editorial calling for President Bush to be impeached like WND did with Pat Buchanan.

39 posted on 08/21/2006 5:35:37 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: Mad Dawg

I understand your point and I agree with much of it.

The test of leadership is leading people where they don't want to go, even though going there is the right course of action.

He has to make the case and lead the way. Force congress to cut him off at the knees if they dare. Many people can respect that. History will bare out whether or not it was the correct course of action.

To me it seems like we are a drift these days. And time is running out.


40 posted on 08/21/2006 5:42:14 AM PDT by DB (©)
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