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To: Joey Silvera; ma bell
"That won't fly very far while you have indictees in the Hague and Mladic is at large. I think anybody on Madison Avenue would tell you that."

Thank you, Joe. You are right.

Ma, first of all you make the assumption that I am 130 yrs old and that I haven't been or am not "a marketing director" -- and you are wrong on both counts. My father may have been in WWII, but he was 50 years old when I was born -- I am hardly decrepit. And even if I were, you are suffering from the delusion that "only what is important to your generation" has significance. (We all had that delusion once, and then we grew up.) I got news baby -- your generation doesn't vote with any regularity and has less interest in any kind of history than virtually any other, plus -- there are still far more baby boomers in this country than 20-45yr olds combined! The power, the money and the political activism is still with the baby boomers, which is why you've got a Cindy Sheehan out there demonstrating against the war, instead of some 20 year old! So when it comes to being of "political significance" your generation doesn't really matter as anything other than "as soldiers for the wars of old men" and as consumers -- just as the generation before it was when they were your age. Every generation pays for the priviledge of preserving this civilization and only after that is done, do they get a chance to weild any kind of political power. That is the price -- and you are personally out there paying it right now -- and for which we all owe you thanks.

I find it really amazing that you can say WWII doesn't matter when in fact it was allusions of WWII (death camps, Nazis, etc) that were actually used on the Serbs to create this illusion of "good guys" vs. "bad guys". PR firms very effectively convinced an entire generation ignorant of WWII Balkan history, that the only people who fought against the Nazis during WWII were actually "the Nazis", meanwhile the real WWII Nazis (Izetbegovic was with the WWII Nazi Handzar Division and Tudjman "thanked God -- in writing-- that his wife was neither a Serb nor a Jew"!) got the sympathy. For God's sake, the reall WWII history of Yugoslavia blows all those allusions out of the water and explains why the Serbs went so crazy when all the WWII Nazi alliances, and signs and symbols resurfaced during the 1990's.

When the wars in Yugo were going on, one the biggest movies around was "Schindler's List" and five years later (a year before the NATO Bombing) in 1998, was "Saving Private Ryan". That was largely because WWII was the last war that the American people had absolute unwavering and unquestionable confidence in. And those films helped convince the American people that "we must do something" when the "ethnic cleansing" allusions were made re the Kosovo Albanians.

The fact is that you have to neutralize "the marketing" that has already been done on the Balkan wars, before you can deal with anything else. Some people today believe that we are on the brink of (or have already begun) WWIII and that may well be the case. If it is, the confidence and the sacrifices of WWII will become of far more significance to generations who have never known any force that threatened their very existence as that generation did.

Moreover, we both know that Balkans wars are not over -- they are just "on hold". If it really does come down to Islam vs. the Western world in WWIII, the lines go right through the Balkans and that will be a crucial front. The US will need to know who is our friend, who shares our values, and who isn't. And so the Serbs don't get screwed a third time in 60 years, we need to know where they are really coming from -- and that involves the history of their culture and their complete resistance to both aggressive Islam and Nazism.

If you can't see this, then I don't know what to tell you, Ma.

14 posted on 08/11/2006 7:23:32 AM PDT by Bokababe (
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To: Bokababe
BOKA, my gen is the 30-45 crowd and we have the sway and are the future rulers of the country if not now at the lower level.

You just proved me correct regards to my generation and don't underestimate my prowess for politico-military affairs of the Balkans. Things are not what they seem as their are sniffers on here. That is where hoplite has problems dealing and will continue to do so.

Let me put it to you this way, he will never ever (or very rarely) engage in a debate with me. I've created names on here and befriended him. I pushed the envelope to determine when he determined it was I til one nickname...:) He's yet to know whom that nick is and he won't.

You misinterpret what I write on not rehashing WW2. Many many people are tired of that being brought up, only the Jewish people are "allowed" to bring it up due to their great lobbying power and skills.

The older Serb generation has a death grip on the NGO political groups and other organizations around here and won't allow any younger Serbs to gain board seats etc... They are antiquated and don't see beyond "WW2" and it makes the Serbs look bad.

I prefer that we let go of the past and concentrate on "NOW", use the resources available on the current wars. There are more conflicts brewing, Sandjak/KosMetohija region is on the front burner too.

That is the silent conflict that will make a splash once Kosovo is "settled". i.e the muslims view that as an extension of their mecca.

Has anyone of you all been to Southern Serbia in the past few years like I have? You all know how that region is brewing? Novi Pazar is homebase for the region, the facilitator and passageway for all things muslim-evil.

Focus on whats ahead, get a jump start 'NOW' so we don't lose the PR war for the umpteenth time.

16 posted on 08/11/2006 10:07:43 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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