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Zoo meerkats test negative for rabies
Saint Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 8/5/06 | "Meggan Lindsey"

Posted on 08/09/2006 10:13:41 AM PDT by Salgak

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To: L98Fiero

At first I was selfishly thinking these kids are going to let these animals die instead of taking the rabies shots.

Then I realized if I as a parent were asked to have my kids given the shots versus having the animals put to death: I think I would vote that no adverse rabies shot reaction for my kids is worth the life of 5 cute but easily replaced rodents:


Rabies vaccines

More than 100 years ago, Louis Pasteur and his colleagues developed the first crude rabies vaccine based on attenuated virus from desiccated nerve tissue. Unfortunately, the majority of post-exposure immunizations against rabies are still performed with vaccines of crude nerve tissue origin. Although continuously improved over the years, inactivated vaccines produced in sheep or goat brains (Semple) or suckling mouse brain (Fuenzalida) may be associated with serious adverse events. Possible post-vaccinal neurological reactions may include meningoencephalitis, meningoencephalomyelitis, mononeuritis multiplex, dorsolumbar transverse myelitis and ascending paralysis of the Landry type, usually occurring between one and two weeks after the first injection. With the Semple-type vaccines, the incidence of neurological reactions varies between 1 in 200 and 1 in 1600 recipients, with a lethality of up to 14%. Vaccines of the Fuenzalida type are associated with neurological complications in about 1 in 8000 to 1 in 27 000 courses. Furthermore, in terms of protective potency these vaccines are inferior to modern cell-derived vaccines. A complete post-exposure treatment using nerve tissue vaccines involves a prolonged and painful immunization course of up to 23 injections. Obviously, these vaccines are not recommended for pre-exposure immunization.


41 posted on 08/09/2006 10:37:56 AM PDT by WBL 1952
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To: Lazamataz

At first I was selfishly thinking these kids are going to let these animals die instead of taking the rabies shots.

Then I realized if I as a parent were asked to have my kids given the shots versus having the animals put to death: I think I would vote that no adverse rabies shot reaction for my kids is worth the life of 5 cute but easily replaced rodents:


Rabies vaccines

More than 100 years ago, Louis Pasteur and his colleagues developed the first crude rabies vaccine based on attenuated virus from desiccated nerve tissue. Unfortunately, the majority of post-exposure immunizations against rabies are still performed with vaccines of crude nerve tissue origin. Although continuously improved over the years, inactivated vaccines produced in sheep or goat brains (Semple) or suckling mouse brain (Fuenzalida) may be associated with serious adverse events. Possible post-vaccinal neurological reactions may include meningoencephalitis, meningoencephalomyelitis, mononeuritis multiplex, dorsolumbar transverse myelitis and ascending paralysis of the Landry type, usually occurring between one and two weeks after the first injection. With the Semple-type vaccines, the incidence of neurological reactions varies between 1 in 200 and 1 in 1600 recipients, with a lethality of up to 14%. Vaccines of the Fuenzalida type are associated with neurological complications in about 1 in 8000 to 1 in 27 000 courses. Furthermore, in terms of protective potency these vaccines are inferior to modern cell-derived vaccines. A complete post-exposure treatment using nerve tissue vaccines involves a prolonged and painful immunization course of up to 23 injections. Obviously, these vaccines are not recommended for pre-exposure immunization.


42 posted on 08/09/2006 10:39:12 AM PDT by WBL 1952
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To: Mercat; All
Do you watch Meerkat Manor on the Animal channel? No kidding, it is one of the best 'reality' shows on TV...drama, adventure, suspense, humor, sadness, devotion...the whole smear.

Oh, and the kid's parents...selfish, irresponsible, heartless, ignorant, sickening...apparently, the kid will grow up just like them. {{{{shudder}}}}

43 posted on 08/09/2006 10:40:46 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: JeeperFreeper
People no longer care what other people think about or their children. After years of being indoctrinated with self-esteem lessons in school and commercials during kids programming with messages like, "The most important person in the whole wide world is you, and you hardly even know you!" should we really be surprised that we have so many narcissists who really do believe they are the most important person in the world? Curiously enough, nobody bothered to notice that psychopaths have no shortage of self-esteem. It's like the point Camile Paglia made in her book Sexual Personae. She said that culture doesn't make men rapists -- it keeps them from being rapists. Guilt and shame don't make people bad. They keep people from being bad and require consideration of others.
44 posted on 08/09/2006 10:41:16 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Lazamataz
A good agent can make or break an animal's career.

One did wonders for Timon.

Lassie had a gaggle of them, and look at what they did for him. Not only did they make him a dog hero, they turned him into a bitch.

45 posted on 08/09/2006 10:42:04 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Onelifetogive

I don't care about humanizing the animals.

I care about idiot parents who didn't watch their kid scale three feet of rocks and 4 feet of plexiglass at a zoo, and then when told that safety required their precious little darling to get 6 shots in the arm over a month, chose instead to have some valuable specimens destroyed.

When **I** was a kid, I had to pay for any damage I caused, and then got the crap spanked out of me by my parents


46 posted on 08/09/2006 10:42:47 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Cecily
I wouldn't want my child to have any unnecessary vaccinations

...How about unnecessary euthanination of innocent animals, any qualms about that?

47 posted on 08/09/2006 10:45:26 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: WBL 1952

"I think I would vote that no adverse rabies shot reaction for my kids is worth the life of 5 cute but easily replaced rodents:"

Perhaps the next time, the child won't be sticking her hand in a cage of "easily replaced rodents". Perhaps it will be larger animal who might like to keep her arm. If not, I don't particularly like the idea of needlessly having to kill 5 animals because some brat hasn't been taught to behave properly.

Lesson here: "Damn the rules, Sweetie. They don't apply to you. You are the most important thing EVER!"


48 posted on 08/09/2006 10:46:09 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Salgak; L98Fiero; 2banana

Minnesota needs to change its health laws urgently. This is too idiotic for words. These parents can't be bothered to keep their unruly daughter from "crawling over a driftwood barrier, climbing up more than 3 feet of artificial rock and reaching over 4 feet of Plexiglas to get her arm into the exhibit, and dangling her hand low for an animal to bite her finger", but absolutely no way are they going allow her to be given 6 ordinary injections as a precaution against rabies. What the heck are they going to do when she gets herself bitten by some wild or stray animal that she's taunted, and that can't be found afterward? And what were they planning to do if one of the meerkats had tested positive for rabies? Mightn't it be a good idea for the girl to get 6 itty-bitty reminders that she shouldn't do stupid things like this?

If ever there was an appropriate time for a court to order a child to undergo a medical treatment against the parents' wishes, this was it. The zoo staffers should have "disappeared" the meerkats for a few days, disclaimed any knowledge of who actually did the deed, and then arranged for them turn up again mysteriously in some safe place. Because then a court WOULD have ordered the idiot parents to have their idiot daughter vaccinated in the interim, and perhaps the incident would have prompted legislative review of this idiot law.


49 posted on 08/09/2006 10:47:27 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Onelifetogive

Because the chickens that are slaughtered every day provide sustenance for many humans. The meerkats what were killed here were not killed for any real reason except a disease they might have had. It was a pointless exercise.


50 posted on 08/09/2006 10:49:02 AM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: WBL 1952
Reading comprehension alert:

Furthermore, in terms of protective potency these vaccines are inferior to modern cell-derived vaccines.

Translation: the vaccines given today are unlike the ones with the side effects described earlier in that paragraph.

51 posted on 08/09/2006 10:55:38 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Question_Assumptions
Reminds me of the Far Side cartoon, where the people are looking at wolves taking over their neighbor's house, captioned:

"I know you miss the Wainwrights , Bobby , but they were weak and stupid people - - and that's why we have wolves and other large predators..."

52 posted on 08/09/2006 10:56:43 AM PDT by badbass
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To: GovernmentShrinker
How would you suggest that the mother of a stroller-aged child explain to the tot that the sute critters he'd been so eagerly anticipating seeing had been killed for no good reason, on account of the stupidity of a 9-year-old brat and her even stupider parents?

First, have you seen the age of kids in strollers these days? I swear I saw a 7 or 8-year old being pushed around in a stroller the other day. Second, I think it would have been a good opportunity to explain to the child one of life's lessons: listen to your mom, or share the fate of the meerkat!

53 posted on 08/09/2006 10:58:34 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Cecily

For a kid who is prone this sort of misbehavior, and whose parents don't seem inclined to take reasonable steps to control her, I wouldn't characterize vaccination against rabies as "unnecessary".


54 posted on 08/09/2006 11:00:20 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Yes, I've noted the trend towards prolonged strollerization of children, and also the correlation between excess weight and prolonged strollerization. But if this was a child of an age that properly belonged in a stroller, it was too young to grasp such a lesson. Heck, this kid was distraught about just not getting to see the meerkats that day. And if it was an older child, it might have gotten the message that no matter how badly you misbehave, your parents, aided by the government, will make sure somebody ELSE pays the price.


55 posted on 08/09/2006 11:07:52 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Onelifetogive
I think "humanizing" animals actually just reduces the value of human life......

I think those who do not respect all life reduces the 'value' of human life...greatly! But, You know what, that is what I THINK, not what I expect all others to think, and I don't go spouting off about what I 'THINK' like that's the gospel truth of all encompassing truths!

Oh, and nope, I don't eat chicken, beef, pork, fish, or meerkats, etc., etc.!...and yes, I AM a republican, thru and thru before you or anyone else starts throwing that liberal insult about being a vegetarian around!

I do NOT insult you or anyone else for their choices to 'dine' on living beings...however; I found your statement to be very insulting to those of us that respect all life..."humanizing'... has nothing to do with it!

56 posted on 08/09/2006 11:08:45 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: Kaylee Frye
Agreed. I have no problem with being at the top of the food chain. I grew up in a hunting family. The philosophy was that if you killed it, you ate it.

I have major problems with animals being killed for enjoyment. And that is what happened here. Irresponsible parents allowed their undisciplined child was allowed to scramble over barriers and threaten the meerkats. When the meercats reacted like the wild animals they are and bit the child, the parents, true to form, still refused to take responsibility and forced the state to kill the animals.

Too bad the state didn't force the parents and their child to kill the meerkats and to eat them. At least their death would not have been a total waste.
57 posted on 08/09/2006 11:11:53 AM PDT by goldfinch
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To: top 2 toe red

No, in this situation, the health of the human comes first. Rare or endangered animals would trump the human, though, and I still think the parents should have to pay to replace the animals.

Also, are you a vegetarian? If not, spare me the sanctimony, since presumably you consume "innocent animals" all the time.


58 posted on 08/09/2006 11:12:58 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Question_Assumptions
The reason why we have so many people that do and believe so many stupid things is because we've made the world so safe that people rarely die from stupid actions or beliefs.

Reverse evolution. Repair of congenital defects has a similar effect. People whose genetics would not have let them survive to adulthood a century or more ago now lead normal productive (reproductive) lives.

I'm not complaining about it. Just stating what seems to be a fact.

59 posted on 08/09/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: top 2 toe red
I do NOT insult you or anyone else for their choices to 'dine' on living beings...however; I found your statement to be very insulting to those of us that respect all life..."humanizing'... has nothing to do with it!

I do not take your disagreement with my opinions to be an insult. After all, this is a "news and opinion" website. People post news articles and other people post comments about them. I find it somewhat silly that the fact that I (someone you don't even know) have a different opinion than you on this issue is somehow "insulting" to you...

I have some wonderful friends who are vegan. (Exceedingly conservative people!)

I find it hard to believe that you respect "all life". You confessed to the wonton slaughter of poor, innocent vegetables (alive by ANY definition of life.) And I suspect you do all you can to keep insects and rodents out of your home and food supply. You would never shoo a hungry child away from you food, why would you shoo away these poor living creatures who are simply hungry....

60 posted on 08/09/2006 11:26:12 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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