Mel, Poor Mel

The Chronicles Magazine ^ | Thursday, August 03, 2006 | Thomas Fleming

[Larry Lucido]

grotesque stupidity of American Catholic conservatives, who insist on putting their faith in actors like Ronald Reagan

Yeah, what a mistake that was, huh? Fleming is now on my "waste of time, just ignore him" list.

[Larry Lucido]

Or is Jerry Seinfeld a trouble maker?? :)

Well, there WAS that whole Woody Woodpecker float thing. :-)

[A. Pole]

"It is hard enough for Baptists to tolerate Lutherans and a bit too much to insist that they become matey with Jews who often despise their religion and their way of life"

Wow. I don't believe I'd be pushing stuff like this. Mel needs help, not fellow travelers.

Actually you make a good point.

I do not believe for a moment that all those critics are so full of love to every group and every individual. I think that they are simply hypocritical.

It is something Orwellian and sadistic to try to humiliate Gibson for his drunken misbehavior. I am guessing that he as a zealous Catholic tries to have love even for his enemies (and he has many). But with his belligerent temper and background it must be as hard for him as to fight with his alcoholism. At least he tries.

And what he has done? In drunken stupor he identifies a Jewish officer by his look and lays blame on Jews for all wars and calls a policewomen "sugar t**s". This is his hate crime?

What about his critics? Do they make any moral effort themselves? Or do they really believe that if they force others to "love" someone or everyone like Winston Smith was made to "love Big Brother" the world will become a better place?

BTW, my hunch is that if you want to understand what makes Mel Gibson tick see the movie Conspiracy Theory (DO NOT READ THE SPOILERS)

And I wonder how the recent events will affect the finishing of Apocalypto.

[gcruse]

IINM, the Jewish officer was female. I don't know about you, but lady Jews look for the most part like any other lady to me. And I'm not buying drunken stupor. His BAC wasn't that high. For an alcoholic, it was more like 'normal,' and they are able to function ably.

Trying to find reasons to excuse his anti-Semitism is as bad as the author of this piece saying Jews hate Christians. A pox on both their houses, and that goes for their sympathizers, too.

[A. Pole]

[Abathar:]"What Mel said would be tame compared to the utter hatred and vile screaming that would come from those people."

[sweetliberty:] Excellent and valid point.

I received such statement in private mail:

"And for my part I refuse to to see the gentiles of Central and Eastern Europe as anything but the handmaidens of the devil."

Would it be proper to make a complaint or to point a finger? No, it is much better if the author reflects on his foolish meanness without humiliation or pressure. We ALL do stupid and hurtful things.

Personally, whatever people's individual opinions, I think it is shameful how Mel is being attacked on all sides. It says a heck of a lot more about the attackers than it does about Mel.

Yes, they are self righteous hypocrites.

The Tarantulas

But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!

They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound.

Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking.

And when they call themselves "the good and just," forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but- power!

(Nietzsche - Thus Spake Zarathustra)

[A. Pole]

All they did was postulate ideas and opinions. some would point to another Jewish "trouble maker" with ideas was called Jesus (but Jews rarely get credit/blame for that "trouble maker")

Well, they did. The Nazis in their inner (somehow secretive) circle thought that Jesus was the worst of all Jews. They blamed Him for subverting the pagan barbaric virtue. That is why Hitler said: "Our task is to undo 2000 years of domestication of man".

[A. Pole]

You don't think libido is one of the key driving forces of the human experience? it sure was MY key driving force from about 15 to 30!

ONE of the key driving forces yes, but NOT the only one. As one Finnish poet said: "For Freud everything what is not not concave is convex".

You mentioned ages 15 and 30! Let me use this opportunity to provide my favored quote from Confucius as you must be less than 40:

"At fifteen, I set my heart upon learning.
At thirty, I had planted my feet firm upon the ground.
At forty, I no longer suffered from perplexities.
At fifty, I knew what were the bidings of Heaven.
At sixty, I heard them with docile ear.
At seventy, I could follow the dictates of my own heart;
for what I desired no longer overstepped the boundaries of right."
(Analects II,4)

[A. Pole]

IINM, the Jewish officer was female. I don't know about you, but lady Jews look for the most part like any other lady to me.

No, the male officer was Jewish. Gibson lashed out at Jews and at females in police force separately. BTW, where are the women's protests for "sugar t**s"

[stands2reason]

This incident is quite the shibboleth.

I can translate hidden bigotry quite well.

You'll see "this PC era" and "thought police" among other giveaways. The Jewhaters hate the muzzles they must wear to pass in polite society today. They tend to chafe.

[A. Pole]

Fraud writes, Gentiles diagnose.

Actually the two Freudians I know are not "Gentiles".

[pke]

Great thread; sure am glad I'm a member of the FR cult.

[Riverman94610]

Great Confucious quote.
There is also that famous one of St Augustine,"Oh,Lord,make me chaste..but not yet"