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What’s the Matter with Kansas? (Dishonest Darwinists coming to a state near you)
National Review ^ | 08/03/2006 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 08/03/2006 9:23:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Coyoteman

"So, how do you heat your cave?"

Inventions are not the same thing as science. Yes, we have invented lots of things, but that does not have anything to do with science. Most inventions were not done with the scientific method or science.


21 posted on 08/03/2006 10:05:09 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
And science does not have the answers or the ability to find the answers to most things, so science has very little credibility at finding answers.

But within its limited realm, it is very very good at finding answers. Remember recently the ToE was used to predict what to look for and where to look, and now we have yet another transitional fossil, Tiktaalik. That's more in one year thn ID or creationism has done in 200 (or 5000).

The fact that something is not science does not bother me because most of science is junk anyway and it is full of politics and dishonesty. Science is like the old media--it is losing its credibility to be objective.

An interesting scientific experiment would be to measure the pH of your grapes.

22 posted on 08/03/2006 10:05:45 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: LibertarianSchmoe
"Are you also open to the criticism of the criticisms? I'm certainly interested in hearing what the flaws are in the science of evolution, but are you prepared to listen to the counter-arguments?"

Sure, but lets put them in the classroom--not pretend that there are not arguments and that evolution theory is a done deal.
23 posted on 08/03/2006 10:06:12 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Virginia-American
"But within its limited realm,"

That is the key. Science is not equipped and will never be equipped to find the answers to most things. No sour grapes here. I just don't like the dishonesty in science.
24 posted on 08/03/2006 10:08:05 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
Yes, we have invented lots of things, but that does not have anything to do with science. Most inventions were not done with the scientific method or science.

This one leaves me speechless.

25 posted on 08/03/2006 10:08:06 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: blowfish

The truth often does that to people.


26 posted on 08/03/2006 10:08:56 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix

So how did Noah pick up the kiwis, wallabies, kangaroos & kookaburras?

It takes a modern diesel powered containership 3 weeks to get from LA to Sydney.

And if Noah picked up 2 dingoes, didn't Dingoes eat his baby?


27 posted on 08/03/2006 10:09:16 AM PDT by Utahrd
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To: Hendrix
Let's just be honest.

Careful, don't do anything you might later regret

28 posted on 08/03/2006 10:10:22 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Science is about unanswered questions. Religion is about unquestioned answers)
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To: Hendrix

What about the dishonesty in falsely representing creationisn or ID as though they were science? What about the dishonesty in claiming thta there is a growing ID movement within science?


29 posted on 08/03/2006 10:11:04 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Utahrd

"So how did Noah pick up the kiwis, wallabies, kangaroos & kookaburras?"

I don't know and I don't care. Again, it has nothing to do with religion with me. I just get tired of our society believing that science can produce answers and that science produces good answers. Most of science is junk science.


30 posted on 08/03/2006 10:11:33 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
Most of science is junk science

What - specifically - are you referring to?

31 posted on 08/03/2006 10:12:45 AM PDT by gdani
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To: middie

Bullshit. The book's theme is that Kansans are stupid for not voting Democrat to get govt handouts.


32 posted on 08/03/2006 10:13:18 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Virginia-American

I don't think ID is science and I don't really care about teaching ID. I just want evolution to be taught that it is just a theory that has flaws. It is not a fact. For science to pass it off as a done deal is dishonest.


33 posted on 08/03/2006 10:13:28 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
Evolution has lots of flaws. Just admit it and I am fine with it. I would say the reason science does not want to admit that is because they are anti-religious. Let's just be honest.

The reason you want to find flaws in evolution appears that you are religious; why are you trying to take all of science down with evolution?

Do you really think trashing all of science for personal religious reasons is either productive, or a good idea? (Be careful what you wish for... )

34 posted on 08/03/2006 10:14:25 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: gdani
What - specifically - are you referring to?


Evidnetally you don't know much about science history if you have to ask that question.
35 posted on 08/03/2006 10:14:45 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Coyoteman

Where do you get any religion from anything that I have posted? I just want honesty. Can't you people at least be honest and admit that evolution theory has flaws. If you cannot, then you prove my point. In fact, you have turned science into a religion (faith in things).


36 posted on 08/03/2006 10:16:27 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
Evidnetally you don't know much about science history if you have to ask that question

I'm just asking for some examples. You say most of it's junk. You must have some examples in mind. Care to share?

37 posted on 08/03/2006 10:17:19 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Hendrix

People should not have to evolve if they don't want to.


38 posted on 08/03/2006 10:17:29 AM PDT by Utahrd
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To: Hendrix

Even if the criticisms are unfounded, fallacy-ridden, and driven by non-(or anti-)scientific motives? Wouldn't that be like allowing an anti-semite teach our children about the Holocaust?


39 posted on 08/03/2006 10:18:23 AM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: Hendrix
It is not a fact.

that' why it's called a theory

For science to pass it off as a done deal is dishonest.

When over 99% of biologists subscribe to it, that's a done deal. To imply otherwise is dishonest. At the level of presentation appropriate for a high school, there are no disputes among biologists.

40 posted on 08/03/2006 10:18:32 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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