Jill Stanek: Fetus farming shot to hell – where it belongs

WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/26/06 | Jill Stanek

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Researchers have promoted embryonic stem cells as magical, saying they can be coaxed to develop into any type of cell.

But the thesis hasn't stood. ESCs isolated from very young embryos grow wildly into cancerous tumors. That which was extolled, their pliability, makes ESCs difficult, perhaps impossible, to control.

Yet another fact that goes unreported by the media.

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[jdm]

"That which was extolled, their pliability, makes ESCs difficult, perhaps impossible, to control."

And you know how liberals have to control everything.

[steve8714]

So, South Park once again was prescient. How do they do it?

[conservative blonde]

The only reason ESCs are being pushed as the panacea for cures for everything rather than Adult stem cell therapy, which actually has succeeded in 70 treatments and cures in humans, is because of big money. Biotech firms want the big bucks for patents on all these so calling coming cures. They cannot get patents on using adult cells from the recipient's own body. This whole thing is about money, not curing people.The ESC people cannot get enough private money, so they have to con the government into providing tax money to keep them going. And they are doing just that by fooling the public into thinking that ESCs are miracles and can cure anything and the people against such cures are all religious extremists. Sad thing is that the public is buying it.

[wagglebee]

The left knows that if they can get the majority of the public behind ESC research, it will give them another layer of protection for abortion.

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[Neidermeyer]

Sad thing is that the public is buying it.

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The public is buying it because the media portrays it as a miracle cure with no objective info given , also as stated by another the "journalists" know that this will help the pro aborts with another line of defense... It seems quite certain that adult stem cells are the answer ,, your body produces them throughout your life and any cells harvested from you will match you perfectly ,,, we will eventually have farms where livers and other organs are grown just as we will have customized meds.

[ga medic]

I think it is a mistake to use this argument against ESCs. It is true, but may not be true for long. There is some ESC research going on, and it is entirely possible that there will be positive outcomes from some of it.

ESC is destroying human life, and even if research finds a potential use for them, it is still wrong. Taking an innocent life is never justified, no matter what the reason. Saying it has not resulted in any beneficial treatments seems to indicate that if it had then ESC is ok.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The only thing that stood between that stem cell bill and our becoming the United Frankenstein Genocide States of America was the presidential veto. Something for all pro-life voters to think about and ponder well.

[Old Student]

"Saying it has not resulted in any beneficial treatments seems to indicate that if it had then ESC is ok."

I think you're missing the point. Most religions have prohibitions against suicide, but at the same time lionize those who die in attempts to save the lives of others, even if they are not successful. "greater love hath no man..."

Likewise, most religions have prohibitions against taking the lives of others, but also exempt those who do so in defending children, women, or the religion itself.

What they are saying is that creating babies for the purpose of killing them to harvest the embryonic stem cells is not only wrong, but also a waste of lives that should be protected, and that the justification for taking those lives is a lie, and therefore not in any way justifiable.

[ga medic]

I still think that the important thing to emphasize is that it is wrong to take an innocent life. It doesn't matter if it might save someone else. That decision is not ours to make. Each snowflake baby represents one of those embryos. How is their life any less important than the life of someone else?

I don't think it matters whether there is a benefit or not. Wrong is wrong.
What happens if someone finds that ESCs are a beneficial treatment for cancer? Does that change anything?

[ga medic]

I also think this most recent ESC legislation that President Bush vetoed was preventing the use of already existing embryos that were frozen in the in vitro process. The parents who did not expect to use the embryos were going to give them for the research.

To my knowledge "fetal farming" does not exist, nor is there any plan to have such an operation. I think they were just planning ahead for that possibility.

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[MHGinTN]

Actually, in a not too long ago presentation by researchers from the research group in Worster, MASS, the presenter didn't even try to hide the fact that they are planning for moving from embryo cloning and harvesting to cloning and raising fetuses to a better age for tissue differentiation for harvesting. Harvard research is already implanting living embryos into extr corporeal uterine tissue and rasing them for a few days then destroying them. The Japanese are already keeping goat fetuses alive in artificial wombs for seventeen weeks, so other mammals are next in the experiements. I think I included that in the online book linked HERE if you would like to dig it out of the approximately 100 pages of text.

[8mmMauser]

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[TenthAmendmentChampion]

I downloaded your book and will read it in a few days. It looks really good.

[MHGinTN]

Because pastors and priests need to understand the difference in stem cell classifications (adult v embryonic), please feel free to share it with your clergy. And don't hesitate to freepmail if there are questions I may be able to help you with. But please, don't call my home phone as one physician in Kansas and one in another state did!... I don't stay at Holiday Inn Express lodging.

[Missouri gal]

RE: There is some ESC research going on, and it is entirely possible that there will be positive outcomes from it.

Highly improbable, due to the fact that ESC's invariably form tumors, are genetically unstable, and never match the donors. EVEN if they ever get cloning to work, which is increasingly improbable, the problems with ESC put them at least 6 decades behind adult stem cells. (The first successful adult stem cell treatment was in 1968, whereas the optimistic estimate is that, if they got cloning to work TODAY, they would need 20 years to develop a therapy). THEN there is the problem of how do you get women to give up their eggs at high risk of illness (19%) death (estimated 1%), loss of fertility (several percent), organ failure (2%) and cancer (rate unknown at this time, since it takes average 20 years to develop, but risk exists)? The only answer is to coerce and virtually enslave millions of women, at the risk of causing an underpopulation crisis. THEN there is the problem that it is prohibitively expensive. Oh, but there's more. Since we now know cloned ESC's from mice were REJECTED by the donors as foreign tissue (Rideout et al, Cell 2002), there's a good likelihood that going to all that trouble is still pointless. Now there's ONE MORE problem. Suppose they told you they had solved all these problems in animal studies and now they want YOU to try out this gazillion-dollar therapy. However, if the tests were wrong, you will develop excruciatingly painful tumors that will spread throughout your body causing you to die a Twilight Zone death. Gonna go for it?

Why not use therapy that is working, inexpensive, and morally acceptable? Unless, perhaps, the real goal is to undermine human rights and underpopulate the planet.