Good ole American labor union work(graft) at it's "finest".
Posted on 07/23/2006 4:31:48 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh
In a July 3 article on Townhall, columnist Michael Barone laments the possibility that Congress may not pass any immigration “reform” legislation this year. However, he pins some hope on a proposal being advocated by Representative Mike Pence (R.-IN).
Ostensibly, the Pence proposal would incorporate the “best” of both worlds, including provisions from both the Senate’s recently passed guest worker/amnesty bill, along with the House version that focuses on immigration enforcement and border security.
Unfortunately, the Pence bill would ultimately constitute no less a “sellout” on immigration than that attempted by the Senate, albeit this effort would be spaced out over a few years, which might be enough time to diffuse public outrage. Far from truly dealing with the immigration crisis, it represents the deepest desires of those who have no real intention of admitting the true nature of the problem. Thus it cannot possibly offer a real solution.
Hardly a matter of personal animus towards people of a different ethnicity, Americans are deeply alarmed over the immigration issue as it poses a threat to their country’s future. In order to comprehend the continued danger it represents, it is first necessary to analyze the present state of immigration and its adverse effects.
Illegal immigrants are moving into the country in hordes, taking jobs at substandard wages and with few or no benefits (thus suppressing the wage base for all working class Americans), and making up the difference by disproportionately accessing and exploiting the nation’s social “safety net.”
In essence, employers increase profit margins by shirking such expenses, compelling honest taxpaying citizens to pick up the tab. Moreover, the ravages of “multiculturalism,” along with an increasingly “nationalistic” and belligerent philosophy among the aliens, make it very unlikely that this growing subculture will ever assimilate into “mainstream America.” Thus the nation faces eventual “Balkanization.”
The Pence plan would do nothing whatsoever to address these problems. Instead, it would require a few token gestures by the illegal invaders, such as a brief return trip home for symbolic processing through a so-called “Ellis Island Center,” after which the individual could then return to the United States to take up business as usual.
Nor should anyone fall for the incessantly repeated mantra that these “Ellis Island Centers” could somehow better address the situation simply by being privately run. The only “virtue” that could be considered a universal advantage of private industry over government is in the area of efficiency.
What “efficiency” means is that profit margins of these centers, must undoubtedly directly result from their ability to rubber-stamp as many applicants as possible. Therefore, they would have little incentive to thoroughly screen or possibly reject any who come through their doors. And certainly, nobody expects the government to enforce such policy. It has not done so thus far.
Ultimately this entire process would amount to a meaningless “fig leaf” being applied to the problem. Yet in the minds of typical bureaucrats, the problem is thereafter “solved” and hence we can all rest easy.
This “fix” stands as grim proof that, outside of a few courageous stalwarts such as Congressman Tom Tancredo (R.-CO), Washington has no intention of addressing the problem. A few obvious questions about the present strategy lay the facts bare.
First, why does the Senate summarily reject any proposal that does not include a “guest worker/amnesty” provision?
The disturbing answer is simply that this is the only agenda item of any immigration “reform” that the Senate has any intention of ever implementing. “Border control” is nowhere on the radar screen among Senators, and if included in any bill it is assured to be denied funding, delayed, and otherwise neutralized in perpetuity.
The Pence proposal ostensibly offers “border control” as its initial focus, followed in two years by the guest worker/amnesty provisions. Yet such a strategy presumes that the borders will be secure in two years. Undoubtedly, this approach is a backdoor avoidance of the whole issue of “border control,” since no matter what condition the border is in at the end of two years, the guest worker/amnesty portion will proceed on schedule.
If Pence truly believed in his proposal as a workable solution, why does he not offer it in two separate bills? The Congress could conceivably pass true border control measures, concurrently vowing to craft and pass “guest worker” legislation once the borders are obviously under control and the actual circumstances of such a follow-up can be properly assessed.
In reality, the very nature of any legitimate “guest worker/amnesty” program would be completely at odds with unscrupulous business owners who thrive on a compliant “underclass.” The “needs” of business for immigrant workers will only be met by an unabated influx of illegals. So from their perspective, the borders cannot be closed.
As Michael Barone points out, until only recently, Congressional Republicans had resolutely refused to consider any measure containing a guest worker/amnesty proposal. But that may be changing. Utah Representative Chris Cannon, despite being an open borders advocate, recently won his primary contest against a staunch border control opponent.
As a result, some Republicans in the Congress believe they may have a bit more room to waffle on this issue without reaping fatal political repercussions. In truth, their very willingness to reconsider such legislation proves that they were never serious about protecting the integrity and sovereignty of the nation in the first place.
They continue to take our support for granted.
No war on terror unless we seal our borders. We spend billions to secure Iraq, but little to guarantee our national security breaches due to porous borders.
Teaching Math In 1960:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5
of the price. What is his profit?
Teaching Math In 1970:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5
of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
Teaching Math In 1980:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is
$80. Did he make a profit?
Teaching Math In 1990:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80
and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.
Teaching Math In 2000:
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20.
What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels
feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.)
Teaching Math In 2010:
Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la
producción es $80 .....
Yep - and it will backfire in November. Blanket amnesty will ruin this country, and it will ruin the chances that Republicans might keep the house. I will NOT vote for anybody that supports this, regardless of the whining of others.
Excellent!
Fred Barnes and Mort Kondrake tried to resussitate the dead "comprehensive immnigration" Senate bill on their show yesterday. Like Frankenstein, we will have to kill this monster again and again, apparently. My guess is that they will try to sneak the Pence "compromise" through in the dead of night before the Nov. elections. Every House member needs to know that they will carry this albatross around their necks to the ballot box if they fall for this sell-out to the Senate.
the Pence bill tells me Pence has Presidential aspirations...pass that sucker and the corporate moneybags open wide...
Or, like Dracula, a stake through the heart!
Our elected officials are such weak, stupid, self-serving traitors to their constituents.
| Hastert: 'Zero' entry by migrants -- Group of mostly GOP lawmakers tours border |
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| Posted by axes_of_weezles On News/Activism 07/22/2006 12:00:16 PM CDT · 20 replies · 272+ views ARIZONA DAILY STAR, Tucson, Arizona ^ | 22 July 2006 | Josh Brodesky Tucson Region Hastert: 'Zero' entry by migrants Group of mostly GOP lawmakers tours border By Josh Brodesky ARIZONA DAILY STAR Tucson, Arizona | Published: 07.22.2006 advertisement NOGALES, Ariz. — Saying there needed to be "zero penetration" into the United States by illegal entrants, House Speaker Dennis Hastert got a look Friday at the challenges faced by those trying to secure the southern border. The Illinois Republican and a handful of other lawmakers, including Republican Rep. Jim Kolbe, from Southern Arizona, are visiting the border with Mexico. On Friday, the group took a daylong tour in Arizona, including an afternoon... |
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Until the anti-immigration folks come to grips that illegal immigration is not all bad, they are going nowhere. Do you really think New Orleans can be cleaned up and rebuilt without Mexican labor? Do you really think there are millions of Americans dying to take the jobs that Mexicans do? Certainly there are a handful, but the lack of labor force in construction and food industry has been a huge issue for decades, and without Mexican labor there would be a very serious shortage of labor. Pence's plan may not be ideal, but it is a plan that recognizes reality. Illegals are more important to our country than the anti-immigration people want to beleive.
In before the open border lobby. This article is everything they hate. It is critical of Pence and mentions Tancredo.
They will be along shortly, whining as usual.
Obeying our laws and protecting our borders are way more important than a cheap labor source for criminal employers.
Ruh roh, be prepared to be "weinered(savaged)" for your heresey, of bringing a concept called reality into an immigration thread.
Agreed, illegal immigration is not all bad, just bad in net. A few people benefit by it while the vast majority of us lose. Mexico uses its army to control its southern border. We should do the same.
In Massachusetts recently they were found to comprise one-third of the workers on a supposedly prevailing wage federally funded construction project; hardly substandard wages. There should be a few corporate officers in jail soon, in my opinion.
Here is some reality you OBL's can't grasp: A nuke coming across our open borders. I suppose the illegals can clean up that mess too.
Oh that's right union graft had nothing to do with the big dig disaster in Boston.(rolling eyes)
JMO, the bigger threat comes from abdul living in the islamic enclaves of Toronto, rather than Christian Jose looking for a job putting up drywall in New Orleans.
America would be better off if most of them just kept walking south.
Hi all,
It's just an idea.
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Yes. I see it every day on construction sites I've been to in NJ, NY, PA and MA. As regards the jobs the Mexicans are doing, many of them don't need to be done at all. I'd put in this category landscaping, housekeeping/pool-maintenance, golf course labor, etc. Much of it is extraneous. If Babs Boxer or Jane Harmon and their ilk are too lazy to maintain their own homes so be it. The rest of us should not have to subsidize the health & incarceration & education cost of their day labor.
And if we do need short term labor, Mexico ought not be the answer. There are plenty of young, educated english speakers from Europe and India who are capable and willing. Go to a construction site in England and you'll see the ubiquitous Polish contractor...most of whom can speak the language and who'll return to Poland when the job is done.
We don't need to construct a Spanish-Speaking Quebec in our Southwest and/or in our urban areas.
Hold that thought.
Let's talk again when the cost of hosting these illegals is again totaled up after another five years of plunder.
If Americans have to look towards illegal invaders of their nation to clean up their messes, we're in deep crap.
Illegal immigration is ALL bad!
The tunnel project has nothing to do with the project I'd referred to. In fact, it was Union Officials that reported the contractor who was illegally employing people. By law, those jobs should have been performed by Americans.
Okay fine, but look at the "good job" good ole American union labor did on the big dig in Boston.
14 billion dollars of American labor union graft and now one innocent death of an American.
Rather than invest in the alternative of developing cost-cutting machinery and methods, they are seeking the cowardly way out by simply hiring dirt-cheap, illegal aliens.
At the same time over 90% of all people involved in both industries are native born American citizens, and that proves that these are jobs Americans will take.
I think anyone who thinks his life's success revolves around hiring illegal aliens, or Mexicans, ought to take his money to Mexico and invest in good jobs, at good Mexican wage rates, in Mexico, for Mexicans.
And Bye, bye!
Dane, clue, take your vast stores of wealth SOUTH and invest in good jobs at good wages for Mexicans in Mexico. Be a padrone. Actualize your biological relativism in an environment suited to your temperment.
Until the pro-amnesty forces admit they don't give a damn about this nation's soveriegnty and that they do NOT respect our laws, until they stop this lie that the majority of the American people are against IMMIGRATION and state the truth- We're against ILLEGAL immigration- we really have nothing to talk about. It's difficult to negoitiate with people that spin and outright lie in order to get what they want.
Good ole American labor union work(graft) at it's "finest".
"Pence = Sellout"
Nothing new here...
You can put the finest laborers, union or non-union, in the world to work on that problem and the design will still fail.
This problem, BTW, seems to occur only on the access tunnels, and not the "Big Dig" proper where far lighter panels (weighing 300 pounds) were used.
Yep good ole American glue put up by good ole American labor union graft.
"Illegals are more important to our country than the anti-immigration people want to beleive."....
In the end illegal immigration robs you and I of OUR rights under the Constitution. Our Constitution was designed to give us, the "peons and peasants" power over their lives. Illegal immigration creates a "disposable" human, with net costs shuttled off onto the backs of the middle class, under the table and off the books. It "benefits" ONLY the King's men.
That's all one needs to know about this debate.
Thank you for posting the DNC "Virtual Campaigner" Talking Points on Immigration for today. What is this like the 10th time you pushed this nonsense?? Funny how aggressive you "outraged Conservatives", who just signed up on Freeper for the 2006 election season, are in pushing the Hate GOP talking points of the Leftist Democrats Noise Machine.
Funny how the fact that this is going NO where is continually ignored by the pseudo Conservatives. Guess you missed the Republican Congressional Leaders have all ready said their will be NO Immigration bill this year. But funny how that fact doesn't stop the Always Whining from push the Democrats propaganda So are you just so naive you don't realize how you are pushing Democrats propaganda here or are you a knowing ally of the Democrats?
So it's OK if Christian Jose is illegal?? If he is legal, he is welcome to come and work. If Christian Jose has invaded our country, ignored our laws, stolen someone's identity, committed tax fraud, and stolen a job from a legal immigrant, we should kick his ass right on back to where he came from. We should also kick the ass of his employer. Why do you have a problem with that Mr. Open Borders?
Glue just doesn't cut it!
I rather suspect the design firm (which is virtually all Democrat) subcontracted by Bechtel, took care of interests in the concrete business, and isn't most of that owned/controlled by the Mob in Boston?
You're not funny, Johnnie.
Now brush your teeth and get ready for Church!
You need some serious education, Johnnie because you are incapable of telling a conservative from a member of the DNC. Furthermore, from what I've been reading that you've been saying to other people you may need serious psychological counseling.
Any further ranting from you to me will be politely ignored as I will continue to consider the source.
Just making the point that "legal" immigrant abdul living comfortably off the Canadian welfare system in Toronto and whose value system is to kill all infidels, is a much bigger threat than Jose, who is just basically looking to put up drywall to make a living.
Yeah yeah yeah we see this every election year. The "Conservative" who spends all his time posting the Democrat Hate GOP attack lines for the year.
We know all about the Moveon.org Seminars on "Inflitrating Conservative Websites and spread anti GOP talking points".
The current situation, the status quo, is allowing hundreds of thousands of illegals to penetrate our country annually. To box up change in this area in a supposed Senate/House/Executive standoff and pretend like nothing is being done is a huge diversion.
The truth is that the politicians are happy with the status quo. It gives them everything they've had for years.
Legislation is needed to build an inpenetrable fence and to finance the guards and budget needed to make it work.
But Congress will continue to pretend they're not happy with the status quo.
"Just making the point that "legal" immigrant abdul living comfortably off the Canadian welfare system in Toronto and whose value system is to kill all infidels, is a much bigger threat than Jose, who is just basically looking to put up drywall to make a living."
How stupid. So when the hispanic looking 'abdul', manages to assimilate with the Mexicans, learn Spanish, cross the border and let lose a dirty bomb in your neck of the woods, you're going to complain it was because the Canadian border was unsecured?
Uh Kimberly, abdul praying to mecca 5 times a day would stick out like a sore thumb in 95% Catholic Mexico.
Much easier for abdul to blend into the islamic enclaves of Toronto or Vancouver, and he gets a check from the Canadian govt. to boot.
I can't figure this place out. Its either "We're the greatest country on Earth", or "We can't function without lawbreaker labor". If the latter is the truth, then we are indeed screwed.
"We know all about the Moveon.org Seminars on "Inflitrating Conservative Websites and spread anti GOP talking points".
OMG.......LMAO, and you talk about others wearing tinfoil hats and discussing NAU conspiracies. Ha!! lol, you all think that FR has been invaded by democratic 'aliens', some who have been here for years, just because you're confronted with a majority of Freepers who aren't afraid to say they are against the Bush plan for open borders and amnesty and criticize him and those within the Republican party who would sell out our sovereignty. So, all the personal attacks the mods have allowed us to be subjected to by you and the rest of the preferred customers, is nothing but a bunch of paranoid hoohey. Get help.
Perhaps.
And by the way- you meant to say anti-illegal immigration people, didn't you?
Now - can you admit that the uncontrolled invasion of illegal aliens is more damaging than the open borders people want to believe?
Good ole illegal alien work(rape) at it's "finest": http://readthis.wordpress.com/tag/rape/
You're not too bright are you?
What makes you think 'abdul' , who's mission includes assimilating with the Mexicans, is going to be openly praying to mecca 5 times a day?
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