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Letter from a friend waiting to leave Lebanon
A Friend ^ | 7/19/2006 | Dani

Posted on 07/20/2006 7:19:19 AM PDT by dotnetfellow

Well, we’ve been at the makeshift deportation center for six hours now. We were called at 2:00 am and told to be here at 9:00, but our name isn’t on any list. Many are in the same situation – but many others haven’t been called and are crashing the gates and creating problems.

For the first 4 hours we were on a concrete road in the hot sun. We were able to watch three big ships coming in from the sea. We made a little tent with Adam’s blanket for our kids and some others nearby. All the announcements were being made in Arabic which made me very upset. Way more than half of these people are naturalized citizens. Finally about two hours ago, some of us who weren’t pushing and yelling started asking the American Marines for help. Since then, the Americans have brought us shades, cold water and even food for some of the children.

Many people who’s names were on the list aren’t here. A marine told us to stand by in case there is space, but said it quietly to just a few people who weren’t causing trouble. I can tell our Marines really care and are very sympathetic, but they are low ranking and have no real power.

Clearly the organization system here has terribly failed. With thousands wanting to leave, I’m sure it’s very difficult. Some older people and babies have already needed medical attention from the heat. Pray that we will all be put on a ship soon. We’ve seen three big ships roll into the harbor so far – so things are clearly moving now. They promised at the least to put all of our names on the first list for tomorrow, but we are still praying and hoping for better.

For now we’re staying unless we’re escorted out. The area seems very well guarded and was not publicly disclosed. We can even see sniper guards nearby. It was very hard and sad to say good-bye to Dani’s family who does not have the option of leaving. We don’t want to have to do it all over again. Adam has been crying in several spells that he wants to go on the big boat. We all do!

So anyway, we’re back at our families house now – but there is still more to this story. I learned from the Marines that the problem was that they called everyone with children hoping that there would be extra space from people who didn’t show up. Basically, they overbooked out of hope. They had a protocol and order for the names though, and for whatever reason, we didn’t make it.

I have to admit that it was discouraging seeing people with bizarre foreign names, broken English and Middle Eastern style clothing boarding ahead of me. Maybe I need an attitude check, but that was definitely how I felt at the time.

After the ships were full, they planned to take the names of everyone who had been there all day to be first on tomorrow’s list. That’s when the insanity broke out. I went to a wedding while here and the line just for the reception buffet was what we in America would call a mob out of control – so you can imagine when we were told to stand in line for two small processing tables. We were asked to send only one family member, so we decided on me since I had befriended some Marines already. Over half of the people truly wanted to stand in line and be civilized, but didn’t want everyone else pushing ahead of them either. I’m pretty good at diplomatically negotiating clumps of people that should be a line from my cafeteria days in college. Every time I felt people pushing behind me I would jump into the flow and be shoved another four or five people ahead. Everyone seemed to know that I wasn’t the cause, and they were very nice and helpful to me. One man rudely pushed ahead of me when I made way for a little girl to get out – I pushed him back out of my way and yelled at him. He wanted to pick a fight, but everyone around was on my side, so he backed down. I managed to block off several rude people and was very proud of myself.

At some point it was so crushed and clausterphobic, I could hardly breathe. Some people saw Adam crying for me and pushed me ahead again. I tried to stay light and funny. I had others laughing a lot – which I think was very helpful. Eventually the American soldiers threatened to close the center if people didn’t get into three straight lines. Once we were in lines and there was room to breathe, there was much more laughing and joking. I did a little dance when I got to the front. I think everyone was happy for me that I had stood my own against the Lebanese mob mentality. One of the Marines stopped what he was doing to shake my hand and congratulate me.

I had several assurances from home yesterday that it is not selfish to fight for your children, so I did today. Most people were very decent and caring and let through people who seemed sick, old ladies, etc … But the few rude people set the tone until the soldiers took charge.

There were three boats today -- we heard maybe as many as eight tomorrow. At this point they are taking mainly citizens with minor children, residents have to wait – so we should go soon. Tomorrow we will bring tanning lotion and bathing suits. We will make a party of it if necessary :) The kids were so happy today that we had brought pringles and oreos and movies for them to watch, it really helped.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: lebanon; personalaccount
This is a letter from a friend of mine who is waiting to depart Lebanon.
1 posted on 07/20/2006 7:19:20 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow

Makes ya want to vacation in the States, doesn't it?


2 posted on 07/20/2006 7:24:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: dotnetfellow

And why were they in Lebanon?


3 posted on 07/20/2006 7:26:55 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dotnetfellow

On the news I heard them say they are taking only Americans? You really can't trust anything that is said on the news!


4 posted on 07/20/2006 7:29:00 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: dawn53

>>And why were they in Lebanon?<<

It looks like they were there for a wedding.
Kind of like traveling to Afganistan after 9/11.


5 posted on 07/20/2006 7:31:40 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: dotnetfellow

A letter all the way from Lebanon to the US in just a couple days? Whodathunkit?


6 posted on 07/20/2006 7:31:48 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: dotnetfellow
I went to a wedding while here and the line just for the reception buffet was what we in America would call a mob out of control

If that's the only reason they went to Lebanon, that's not much of a reason to put your childs life in danger. I hope the State Dept. gets back to start charging these idiots for the exit costs. Then I hope that Child Services investigates them when they get back to the states.

7 posted on 07/20/2006 7:34:00 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: netmilsmom
Makes ya want to vacation in the States, doesn't it?

I like to joke that the only time I ever left the USA, it was only to get a better view OF the USA. (Crossed over to Canada to view the American Niagara Falls.) Got back as soon as I could.

There aren't many places outside the USA I'd want to go. You can have the British Isles, all of Asia, South America. I wouldn't mind going to Italy someday. Then again, if my current work aspirations pan out, I may end up travelling the world. But I figure if it's for work it's worth it. But for fun? I like it here in the USA.

8 posted on 07/20/2006 7:38:34 AM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: dotnetfellow

I don't care if I'm the Best Man, if you want me at your wedding, don't have it in Lebanon.


9 posted on 07/20/2006 7:39:17 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (The Left hates America)
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To: dawn53

My friend Dani moved here 15 years ago from Lebanon. He left to lebanon five six weeks ago along with his wife and three children to visit his parents and his siblings.

Things were not heated back then. The climate turned on a dime.


10 posted on 07/20/2006 7:39:21 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: Wristpin

Well, let's see, since the internet makes viewing letters online instantaneous, then I guess it doesn't take as long as you would think.


11 posted on 07/20/2006 7:40:11 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow
The climate turned on a dime

IMHO, the "climate" didn't turn on a dime.

Hezbollah has been terrorizing Israelis along the border for years.

What happened was they (Hezbollah) poked the lion with a stick once too often, and Israel finally responded.

I guess in that way, you could say that the Israeli's response "turned on a dime"...but the terrorist actions in southern Lebanon have been there for years.

12 posted on 07/20/2006 7:44:02 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Huck

I did a couple of trips to Australia when I was younger.
Right now, with the state of the world, even if I had the money to fly myself and my kiddies around the world, I would "See the USA in my Chevrolet"

There is so much to see and do here, I don't think we would ever run out.


13 posted on 07/20/2006 7:46:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: dawn53

>>Hezbollah has been terrorizing Israelis along the border for years<<

Exactly.


14 posted on 07/20/2006 7:47:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: dawn53

I agree that this is a long time in coming. I follow current events closely on Free Republic and other websites. If I could have predicted it myself I would have warned by friend not to go. No one predicted this outbreak prior to these last two weeks.


15 posted on 07/20/2006 7:48:13 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow
Does your friend hold dual citizenship? That may explain the lower priority.
I'm assuming the sorting problem our embassy and Marines have is that there are Lebanese nationals, Americans of Lebanese descent, dual nationals, Lebanese nats with American children. Lebanese with green cards, and probably fifty other variants I can't hink of. Many of the Lebanese Americans are Shiite.
Love the way the MSM always shows a young blond gal getting on the boat. My guess would be that most if not a very high percentage of the refugees are either Lebanese born or first generation Americans.
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16 posted on 07/20/2006 7:48:52 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: don'tbedenied

He does. His children and wife are native Americans.


17 posted on 07/20/2006 7:50:45 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow
Boy it would be complex prioritizing this one. I would guess dual citizens would be able to fend for themselves better and therefore a lower priority.
18 posted on 07/20/2006 7:54:37 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: dotnetfellow

Wow, thanks for sharing. You're friend sounds great and so do our soldiers! God bless them.


19 posted on 07/20/2006 7:54:46 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: dotnetfellow
He left to lebanon five six weeks ago along with his wife and three children to visit his parents and his siblings.

Is your friend a schoolteacher? Anyway, still, 5-6 weeks is a long time to expose your wife and kids to a politically unstable place. Still a dumb move if you ask me. Should have cut the trip to a week or two.

20 posted on 07/20/2006 8:04:38 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: dotnetfellow
I have to admit that it was discouraging seeing people with bizarre foreign names, broken English and Middle Eastern style clothing boarding ahead of me.

The American gov't takes better care of non-Americans better than it does it's very own citizens. It's a weird case of noblesse oblige --if you're born noble, your obligated to act magnanimously.

That's that's snobbism dressed up as philanthropy.

I'd wager that a very good number of those blue-passport clutching Lebanese are Hezbollah supporters.

Meanwhile, 6,000 Mexican invaders cross our southern border every night, and we do nothing. It's frigging SICK.

21 posted on 07/20/2006 8:26:26 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
"I hope the State Dept. gets back to start charging these idiots for the exit costs."

They should set up a table at the bottom of the ramp to the boat with this sign:


22 posted on 07/20/2006 8:30:55 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: dotnetfellow
I have to admit that it was discouraging seeing people with bizarre foreign names, broken English and Middle Eastern style clothing boarding ahead of me. Maybe I need an attitude check, but that was definitely how I felt at the time.

Your friend, Dani, moved to the U.S. from Lebanon? And now he writes this? He must have become totally Americanized.

23 posted on 07/20/2006 8:34:34 AM PDT by PLK
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To: All
Your friend, Dani, moved to the U.S. from Lebanon? And now he writes this? He must have become totally Americanized.

Sounds more like it is his wife writing the letter.

For all of those who keep posting about how you wouldn't leave the country, that we should charge these people for getting them out of a war zone, that they are stupid, etc........ GET OVER IT!! It sickens me that you would prefer the USA ABANDON it's citizens.

If I were in Isreal visiting the holy sites there at any time in the last 40 years-war could have broken out. If there are people visiting family in Isreal right now, who went there before the terrorists started this present offensive, should they be left to their own devices to get out? These people in Lebanon did not go to a war zone, it became one after they got there.

One thing I am proud of about this country, it (like Isreal) values every life, and does not abandon its citizens.

24 posted on 07/20/2006 10:02:54 AM PDT by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: ibheath
Bottom line is this. Lebanon has some of the the worlds worst Terrorists as not only part of it's government, the Terrorists largely control the government and are comitted to the destruction of Israel.

So, why would any sane reasonable person with a modicum of intelligence have their family in a nation controlled by some of the world's worst Terrorists armed and supported by Iran & Syria?

Do they think it's "cool"? That they are "brave"?, "sophisticated" maybe? That they will impress people? Funny how fast they turn into a shrieking mass of uncontrolled hysteria and frigging complaining when it didn't turn out like they thought they could get away with. So when the inevitable crap hits the fan, they scream to be rescued and we are all just supposed to jump out our ass, put our people in harms way to save their sorry asses?

This is the same moronic mentality of those who deliberately chose to ignore the mandatory evacuation order for New Orleans and just scorned the warning and orders. The vast majority of who are DEMOCRATS. They got their just deserts yet we all end up paying for THEIR stupidity.

This is the same stupidity and mentality of "Human Shield" Democrats who went to help Saddam Insane.

Not real bright and very deserving of the worst possible outcome.
25 posted on 07/20/2006 10:21:20 AM PDT by Retired Army Special Forces
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To: Retired Army Special Forces
So, why would any sane reasonable person with a modicum of intelligence have their family in a nation controlled by some of the world's worst Terrorists armed and supported by Iran & Syria?

IIRC the Lebonese recently kicked out the Syrian supported government to create a democratically elected government. This person is there for a family wedding.

This is the same moronic mentality of those who deliberately chose to ignore the mandatory evacuation order for New Orleans and just scorned the warning and orders.

What about the people who lived there before Katrina-they lived in an area of potential danger (a hurricane could hit and wipe out the levee.....)

This is the same stupidity and mentality of "Human Shield" Democrats who went to help Saddam Insane.

That is an unfair comparison. The human shield idiots went there to make a really stupid political statement.

Not real bright and very deserving of the worst possible outcome.

This statement says to me that you think this person who went to an area that was not in a war zone at the time he went, to go to a family wedding, DESERVES to get tortured and killed. Did you really mean that? If you do mean it, it does not say good things about you.

26 posted on 07/20/2006 10:32:32 AM PDT by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

Spoken like someone who hasn't been separated from his parents for several years, and someone whose children have had the privilege of actually meeting their grandparents once in their lifetime. Five, six weeks, not so long. Also, it is a myth to believe that things were this heated five, six weeks ago. It wasn't. It is also a myth to claim that Lebanon is like Syria, Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Things were relatively quiet in Lebanon compared to those other countries. Was Hezbollah a problem then? Yes! But Israel wasn't dealing with the problem until the last couple of weeks. Who knew? Certainly not you, me, or possibly, though there is no way of knowing even the Bush Administration! I am a conservative. I frequent Free Republic. But people who so quickly stand in judgement of anyone who gets caught in a war zone, I believe should rethink things. It wasn't like they were going to visit Iraq for a tan!


27 posted on 07/20/2006 11:02:52 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: PLK

His native born American wife wrote it. They have three native born American children, ages 12, 10, and six. Their twelve year old daughter takes dance lessons with my 12 year old daughter. Their 10 year old son comes to my 10 year old son's birthdays. They are American! Dani posted his wife's letter on the web linked to at the top of this thread.


28 posted on 07/20/2006 11:14:00 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: ibheath

Agreed! How quickly everybody want's to blame an American for being in Lebanon.

Did Israel have every right finally engage a posture of self-defense? Absolutely!

But nobody could have guessed they were finally going to do so. We need to do everything we can to help American's who have gotten caught in the cross fire without standing back and throwing stones at them.


29 posted on 07/20/2006 11:16:51 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: ibheath
There is nothing "Democratic" about a government or people who allow the world's worst Terrorists to not only exist in their nation but to be a controlling part of the government.

If having Terrorists in a government is OK with those making excuses for Lebanon's involvement with Terrorism, then these same folks should have no problem with the Black Panthers, Symbionese Liberation Army, Weather Underground, KKK, Al Qaeda or any other similar group becoming a controlling part of the US government.


I guess the only excuse is that anyone going to a nation even partially controlled/governed by world's worst terrorists must be able to claim:

a). "but we didn't know!"

b). "we knew but don't care"

c). "we like to live dangerously"


To be there is spending money, which helps support the government, which helps support the terrorist wing. Those who oppose Terrorism should not do business with a goverment that allows the world's worst Iranian/Syrian Terrorist organization to openly be a part of it's government. It's clear now that Lebanon supported Terrorism all along by their refusal to deal with Hezbolla as unanimously decided by the UN.



Terrorist states will need to learn that when they are involved in Terrorism, they will be set back 50 - 100 years at a minimum and no sympathy or help will be given afterwards. At the first sign of more Terrorism they should be set back another 50-100 years until eventually they are in the stone age or wiped out completely. The time for Liberal games, handwringing and politics is over.

We can try to ignore Terrorism all we want - one thing we can count on as proven again by this latest attack by Hezbolla - Islamofacism is on the march and will NOT ignore the rest of the world. In the end, there may be no way to avoid all out global conflict with Islam because it is an ideology that seeks to destroy all who do not bow to it. At some point, we will likely be forced make the decision to take out entire nations, and we better do it before they can get the means to retaliate. Key word is FORCED into it in order to insure national survival should they simultaneously detonate nukes in our key cities for example. The only thing stopping Islamofacists is they have not yet gotten their hands on the nukes that we have absolute proof of and knowladge of the location. But we do know they are trying to aquire them.

Thus the argument for Iraq - are we going to wait until these Terror states get WMD into the hands of their operators, or strike first.

You can barely negotiate with many governments.

You cannot negotiate with a murderous ideology.
30 posted on 07/20/2006 12:35:16 PM PDT by Retired Army Special Forces
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To: dotnetfellow
It is also a myth to claim that Lebanon is like Syria, Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Things were relatively quiet in Lebanon compared to those other countries. Was Hezbollah a problem then? Yes!

Oh, stop the excuses for your stupid friends. Holding a family reunion in a terrorist controlled zone is stupid, pure, plain and simple. They could have all easily traveled and found a safer place so that everyone could have had a safe vacation. BTW, I never said the USA should abandon its citizens. I said the USA should charge them for the evacuation costs!

31 posted on 07/20/2006 5:15:24 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

You are clearly an idiot, so there is no point trying to hammer any sense into you. You have no clue about the differences in the dynamics of these different countries, so there is no point trying to educate you. You, like so many, simply lump all of the ME countries into one big happy family. That's okay. Keep coming to Free Republic and you will eventually be enlightened from your bigotry!


32 posted on 07/20/2006 6:26:40 PM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow

God bless them and help them to get out in the morning! I just posted an article from the Virginian-Pilot about the USS Nashville helping folks evacuate today. The sailors and Marines are honored to do what they are doing.

I can understand how a family would travel to Lebanon to see relatives, some for the first time ever. These folks are not whining about their predicament, and they seem to have a load of patience. Even the children. Some of their fellow travellers don't seem to have the same mentality.

God bless our men and women in uniform!


33 posted on 07/20/2006 6:42:39 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: dotnetfellow
You are clearly an idiot, so there is no point trying to hammer any sense into you

Truth hurts, don't it? Your idiot friends should have had the family reunion in Cyprus, where they ended up after fleeing the terrorist haven where they idiotically went to in the first place. I hope to see your friends win a Darwin Award!

34 posted on 07/21/2006 3:46:45 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
Still a dumb move if you ask me.

No one did.

And I concur, you are an idiot.

35 posted on 07/21/2006 3:54:53 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: dotnetfellow

Man, I hope you ignore some of the posters who take their anger out on your friend. Lebanon used to be a lovely civilized country. Unfortunately, families have been split up because of the muslim takeover. Your friend had every reason to go back home. Who wouldn't long to see their parents and brothers and sisters? I am very happy to hear his gratitude toward our great Marines. And I appreciate this up close and personal bit of history in the making. This one little detail tells us a lot about the difference between muslim and civilization: the inability to wait in a line.


36 posted on 07/21/2006 4:06:06 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Wristpin

A letter all the way from Lebanon to the US in just a couple days? Whodathunkit?""

I cannot get a first class letter from Southern Kalifornia to Northern Nevada in less than 3 days unless it is sent priority mail.....


37 posted on 07/21/2006 4:13:48 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Dotnet says..."Hey, I got a great idea! Let's have a family reunion!

Diddle says.."Good idea! Let's have it at a place that is a haven for terrorists!

Dotnet says.."Sounds good to me"

Ronaldus says.."You guys are idiots for doing that. Maybe you can find a safer place?"

Dotnet and Diddle both say..."No, you are the idiot".

Ronaldus mumbles..."Boy, some people are just dense. No wonder the Darwin Awards were invented".

38 posted on 07/21/2006 5:11:46 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: dotnetfellow
Eventually the American soldiers threatened to close the center if people didn’t get into three straight lines.

LOL They're good. Kindergarten Teaching 101.

39 posted on 07/21/2006 5:13:57 PM PDT by madison10
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To: petitfour
I just posted an article from the Virginian-Pilot about the USS Nashville helping folks evacuate today

Glad you mentioned that article...here's some text from it.

""She and her husband have been text messaging his family members still in Lebanon, and they're OK, she said. "They live about a mile and a half from one of the major bombing areas," she said. They too will join the Esseilys by way of Cyprus or Syria, thanks to U.S. visitor visas, and "bunker down" with them in Dana Point, California, for a few weeks. ""

Soooo, Dotnet's friend, Dani, could have gotten visitor visas for his family members and "bunkered down" in the USA! Now who's the idiot?. Some people just won't admit they are wrong and will be eternal apologists. Sigh.

40 posted on 07/21/2006 5:18:25 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: The Westerner

> Man, I hope you ignore some of the posters

Yeah, there is no sense trying to teach an idiot like that. His tiny little heart won't listen to anyone other than the judgemental voices inside his tiny little head.


41 posted on 07/22/2006 7:25:48 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow
Yeah, there is no sense trying to teach an idiot like that. His tiny little heart won't listen to anyone other than the judgemental voices inside his tiny little head.

That's exactly how a liberal would talk. No facts or logic, just emotions.

42 posted on 07/22/2006 7:57:28 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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