Protests urged as Mexico count nears end

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[davidnownthen]

With 99.59 percent of the vote counted, Felipe Calderon would win even if all the remaining votes went to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador of the Democratic Revolution Party. He had 35.83 percent of the vote, compared with 35.36 percent for Lopez Obrador...Less than 200,000 votes, out of more than 41 million cast, separated the two...."We are going to the Federal Electoral Tribunal with the same demand -- that the votes be counted -- because we cannot accept these results," he said. "We are always going to act in a responsible manner, but at the same time, we have to defend the citizens' will."

[davidnownthen]

Before anyone goes celebrating the election of the ruling candidate in the Mexican Presidential election, it's important to remember that the so-called "conservative" pro-globalization presidential candidate does NOT have an "insurmountable" lead...it's a statistical tie. Just Presidential election 2000, the percentage difference between the tabulated votes is a least twice as large as the margin of error in the counting process.

This election will be decided in a recount.

Right now the pro-globalization candidate (conservative) is leading by approximately 200,000 votes, or .4 percent, which is a statistical tie. But that's just the tally of the votes. A recount will decide the election.

[eyespysomething]

Welcome to FR.

[JohnnyZ]

Keep dreamin, Miss margin of error. Your commies lost; you'll just have to concentrate your efforts on Massachusetts and California and New York and ....

[exit82]

Well, at least now the commie knows how many votes he has to "find" to win.

[bw17]

You joined FR today just to tell us that?

Calderon won...so go back to where you came from and tell the other DUmmies to quit whining about.

[thoughtomator]

So, whose men are counting the votes?

[Paleo Conservative]

200,000 isn't really very close mathematically.

[Robert A. Cook, PE]

Same rule the communists (er, liberal/socialists/democrats) used here: Recount,cheat,recount,cheat,recount,cheat UNTIL the recount goes your way.

Then IMMEDIATELY stop.

Worked in Washington for governor, in SouthCAl (er, northern Mexico) and in many races in between.

Except FL - where our electoral college focused national attention on the single county blatantly cheating: Palm Beach.

They tried, but couldn't manufacture enough votes to make up for the rest of the state.

[NapkinUser]

Is this old or has the conservative passed the communist? Last I saw the communist guy was leading by over two percentage points with over seventy percent of the votes counted.

[Bush_Democrat]

1. Welcome to FR
2. You're full of crap - you have no idea about Election Law in Mexico

Pinging those of us who were up all night on the Mexican Election Thread - and some who have followed this for months to either straighten out this newbie, or help send him back to the DUmp.

[hispanarepublicana]

Your first day and you put something in Breaking News?


35.31% ObraGORE

35.88% Calderon

Difference: 0.57 pts
Percent of Votes Counted: 99.96%

[jrestrepo]

Strange, I just read an article a few minutes ago that said it was no longer possible for the leftist to win.

Also, "leading by approximately 200,000 votes, or .4 percent, which is a statistical tie" is not quite correct. Statistics applies when you count a sample and estimate the outcome. When count the entire lot, it is just math and the percentage becomes margin of difference.

[jdm]

Yep, a troll. A troll who took the time to complete his 'about me' page, but a troll nonetheless.

[Bush_Democrat]

I already called out the kitties, they should be here soon to clean this up.

[Little Ray]

They're both bad. Don't know that either one of 'em is worse. So what is the big deal?

[hispanarepublicana]

Got a new one just today:

[Buck W.]

"Right now the pro-globalization candidate (conservative) is leading by approximately 200,000 votes, or .4 percent, which is a statistical tie."

No it's not. In an election a lead of 1 is a win. Or, say, 537 in Florida...

[shield]

It obvious you've not been keeping up since 4AM...conservative Calderon WON!!!!!!!

[Bush_Democrat]

Nice! Is that the 30lb cat in the news?

[hispanarepublicana]

That's him.

[SeanOGuano]

"A troll who took the time to complete his 'about me' page, but a troll nonetheless."

Refreshing isn't it? I'll be even more impressed if the poster actually reads the posts and replies.

[mware]

Interesting that this is your first thread.

[Bush_Democrat]

Same caption for both photos:

[BunnySlippers]

Thanks for the ping.
!!!BUMP!!!

[rovenstinez]

Welcome to Free Republic. There are a lot of broad minded people who read your comments, and this is a GOOD place for exchange of good ideas. Don't mind all of the punches people throw, a few people have a few good ideas, and neither Left or Right has it all together...in the end, we need each other. So, thumbs up, and speak it out. Be prepared to take a few punches, especially if you give a few. This ain't for Little League T Ball fans. I speak up for Mexicans. We all have our world slant. So whoever wins the elections, we're going to unite and stand tall, with great courage. Forget the MSM and SOME crazy bloggers.

[NapkinUser]

It just doesn't compare.

[Bush_Democrat]

What's the matter David, cat got your tongue? Whither the snappy comebacks??

[Bush_Democrat]

DA-YUM, is that a dog or a bear???

[CWW]

You're wrong on this one. Last night's tally is the official vote. Under Mexican law, the tally sheet is it. There can be no count of the acutal ballots unless it is established that the tally sheet has been tampered with or falsified.

So, statistical tie or not, the 200,000 vote lead will be a win.

[SAJ]

For anyone who's long peso-denominated investments, ANY investments, an ObraGore win would have been catastrophic.

That's a pretty big deal.

[scratcher]

He is busy contacting the rest of the BORG, I'm sure he will have some thoughts for us soon

[trebb]

This election will be decided in a recount

It's the recount that is giving us the latest. Of course, the leftist may just insist on recounts until such time as he and his folks can manage to add enough votes to put him ahead, then, like a good leftist, decide that no further counting is necessary.

[CygnusXI]

Hmmmm...

To me a Protest would be to show disaproval, angst, etc, for unfair or flawed governmental actions.

To gather mobs of people to try to thwart, intimidate, and reverse fair and just practices-- is a riot/mob.

Leave it to the lefties (and the MSM) to call this a protest.

[Little Ray]

You're right. Sorry.

[SAJ]

De nada. As it happens, I'm a trader, and always think in terms of the effect(s) of political events on markets. It's second nature. Then again, some folks don't, and some do only sometimes (shrug).

FReegards!

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

"we cannot accept these results," I wonder where they heard similar ideas! If I recall, the left in the USA refused to accept the results or the presidential elections and even now claims that Bush stole the election.
See my user name for an opinion on the mental stability of the left.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

If W stole the first election, he should be able to serve another full four years, no ?

[MountainDad]

An armadillo with a dog's head?

[ArrogantBustard]

Ping

[ArrogantBustard]

eeek! The head and the paws say "dog", but the body says "seal".

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

I wonder how many democraps went to Mexico from the United States to vote illegally?

[Jeff Chandler]

Department of Redundancy Department.

[BJClinton]

Welcome to Free Republic. I red your profile and you're probably a retread, certainly a Patsy. You like Jerome Corsi? Anyhow, I think I smell ozone...

[conservative in nyc]

Under Mexican law, there will be NO RECOUNT just because the margin was supposedly "a statistical tie". Calderon's margin is currently .57% with 99.99% reporting. That's about 235,000 votes. There are likely no more than 4,100 votes left to count. That's not a statistical tie - it's a clear win.

There is no such thing as a margin of error in the final counting process. It is FINAL, absent a successful Obrador petition to the special Mexican election court. It is unlikely (but possible) that the court will call for a complete recount.

[HansGygi]

Welcome to FR.

You didn't read his comment at the end of the article he posted.

[eyespysomething]

??

[HansGygi]

Right now the pro-globalization candidate (conservative) is leading by approximately 200,000 votes, or .4 percent, which is a statistical tie. But that's just the tally of the votes. A recount will decide the election.

He's a Recount Poster Boy.

[eyespysomething]

Mine was sarcasm.

What, you couldn't hear/see my eyes rolling? lol