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"A TOAST TO THE DEAD" - Srebenica Widows Sue UN, Dutch Government
Der Spiegel ^ | July 4, 2006 | Udo Ludwig and Ansgar Mertin

Posted on 07/05/2006 9:33:35 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge

Some of the Dutch United Nations soldiers who failed to prevent the massacre of Srebenica in July 1995 gave the Serbs a back-slapping welcome, handed over their uniforms and even actively helped to separate Bosnian men from their families, say relatives of the 8,000 men and boys who were murdered. A German attorney is preparing a lawsuit against the UN and the Netherlands.

They are unbelievable scenes that Sabaheta Fejzic, a bookkeeper from Vogosca near Srebenica, will never forget. War had been raging for years in Bosnia, and in the summer of 1995 everyone in Srebrenica was scared to death of the Serbian militia. But the people still had faith: in the United Nations, which had declared this city in Bosnia a "protected zone," and in the blue-helmeted soldiers from the Netherlands, who had been stationed nearby for more than a year, charged with protecting this sanctuary.

... ...

And then Sabaheta saw something she still can barely believe: A group of Serbian soldiers ran across some Dutch troops - and the soldiers greeted one another happily. They threw their caps in the air and some even hugged one another. "We were shocked," said Sabaheta Fejzic.

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On these days in July, the Serbs murdered more than 8,000 Muslim Bosnians.


(Excerpt) Read more at service.spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
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We Germans (I am from Germany) also failed to shoot all responsible nazi-scum after WWII, and one could argue that those Dutch soldiers weren't the murders, but I think that this "Dutchbat"-commander would be well adviced to solve the problem by his own hand.

This is the most awkward and inhuman event with western Europeans involved since the nazi barbarianism. A real shame.

1 posted on 07/05/2006 9:33:41 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge
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To: Lukasz; Grzegorz 246; lizol

Eastern Europe Ping!


2 posted on 07/05/2006 9:34:42 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Fascinating. At the time, 7500 was cited. Then that got rounded up to 8000. Now it's 'over 8000'. I suppose next it will get rounded up to 10,000?

And, however, many of those actually died in summary executions, you can subtract the few thousand who showed up on the voter roles for the next election (and were reported by the ICRC as having left the enclave at the time), and any that died in battle before the city was taken.

And now letting women and children leave before a battle is protrayed as a bad thing? Srebenica is called 'genocide' in anti-Serb propaganda. (I hate to tell you, but to commit genocide, you've got to kill the women and children, too.)

Doubtless there were some summary executions (arguably of traitors), but the jewel in the crown of accusations of war crimes against the Serbs is not so shining as the Bosnian Muslims and their West European supporters would have us believe.


3 posted on 07/05/2006 11:13:06 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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4 posted on 07/05/2006 1:50:25 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Atlantic Bridge

More lies and liars.


5 posted on 07/05/2006 1:53:24 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: The_Reader_David
I suppose next it will get rounded up to 10,000?

Well, actually, it is more like 30,000 or so. You have to count the unborn that they would have sired, had they not died....

6 posted on 07/05/2006 3:22:56 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Deportacion por los todos ilegales ahora: Si, se puede!)
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To: eleni121

Theres a famous English quote from the beginning of the 20th century that basically said all the factions in the Balkans hate each other and are cruel to each other, so it is pointless to take sides.


7 posted on 07/05/2006 4:09:59 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Theres a famous English quote from the beginning of the 20th century that basically said all the factions in the Balkans hate each other and are cruel to each other, so it is pointless to take sides.

Some things never change.

They're rioting in Africa,
They're starving in Spain.
There's hurricanes in Florida,
And Texas needs rain
The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans,
The Germans hate the Poles;
Italians hate Yugoslavs,
South Africans hate the Dutch,
And I don't like anybody very much!

But we can be tranquil
And thankfull and proud,
For man's been endowed
With a mushroom-shaped cloud.
And we know for certain
That some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off,
And we will all be blown away!

They're rioting in Africa,
There's strife in Iran.
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man!

8 posted on 07/05/2006 6:32:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Deportacion por los todos ilegales ahora: Si, se puede!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Whose is that? This is Randy Newman's:

No one likes us
I don't know why.
We may not be perfect,
But heaven knows we try.
But all around
even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one
And see what happens.

We give them money,
But are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful, and they're hateful.
They don't respect us, so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.

Asia's crowded, Europe's too old,
Africa is far too hot, and Canada's too cold.
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one,
There'll be no one left to blame us.

We'll save Australia, don't want to hurt no kangaroos.
We'll build an American amusement park there,
They got surfin' too!

Boom! goes London, Boom! Paree
More room for you and more room for me.
And every city the whole world round,
Will just be another American town.

Oh, how peaceful it'll be!
We'll set everybody free!
You'll wear a Japanese kimono, baby
And there'll be Italian shoes for me!
They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now,
Let's drop the big one now!

"Political Science", Randy Newman


9 posted on 07/06/2006 1:01:32 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: LibertarianInExile; All

Muslim Srebrenica commander naser Oric was several days ago condemned to 2 (TWO DAM`N YEARS) for attrocities against 3,500 Christians in Srebrenica. being for three years in prison, he was immidiatly released.

I realy don`t give ***k for muslims in Srebrenica. I realy don`t.


10 posted on 07/06/2006 6:37:04 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: Atlantic Bridge; All

"We Germans (I am from Germany) also failed to shoot all responsible nazi-scum after WWII, and one could argue that those Dutch soldiers weren't the murders, but I think that this "Dutchbat"-commander would be well adviced to solve the problem by his own hand.

This is the most awkward and inhuman event with western Europeans involved since the nazi barbarianism. A real shame."


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You are wrong, my friend. There is nothing worser than Auschwitz. And if wern`t for you Germans, no war in balkans would ever happen, ever in history.
Specialy this one.
In Serbia word "German" is curse.

THIS IS MY SREBRENICA, AND MY VICTIMES>

Serbs outraged over sentence for Muslim commander
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
BELGRADE, Serbia


Serbian officials and media expressed outrage Saturday over the light two-year prison sentence handed down by the UN war crimes court to a Muslim wartime commander they blame for some of the worst atrocities of the Bosnian war.

Naser Oric, the wartime commander of the Muslims in Srebrenica, was convicted Friday of failing to prevent the torture and killing of Serb prisoners in the eastern Bosnian enclave. But the U.N. court decided he was not directly involved and punished him with a light two years in prison.

Oric, who spent three years in the custody of the UN court, immediately was released for time served.

The verdict enraged the Serbs, who accuse troops under Oric's command of slaughtering hundreds of Serb civilians in the villages around Srebrenica in the early years of Bosnia's 1992-95 war.

"The verdict brings into question the credibility of the (Hague) court," said Aleksandar Simic, an adviser to Serbia's prime minister, Vojislav Kostunica.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885893078&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


Names of 3,827 murdered Christian Serbs in Srebrenica by Muslims
http://www.spc.yu/Vesti-2005/07/srebrenica.pdf


11 posted on 07/06/2006 6:47:30 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Not really interesting reactions on your post, nothing can justify such massacres.


12 posted on 07/06/2006 8:05:47 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Atlantic Bridge
>>>>>>>This is the most awkward and inhuman event with western Europeans involved since the nazi barbarianism. A real shame.>>>>>>>

You may be from Germany but it seems you are no German. Otherwise you would not say such a thing - hundreds of thousands of German civilians perished AFTER the war due to the involvement of Western Europeans. Dachau worked after the war as well.

Srebrenica pales in comparrison with Wesrern European return of hundreds of thousands of Soviet POWS to Stalin into sure death.

Among other propaganda tasks, "8000 men and boys" hoax is meant to wipe out the above mentioned facts from the public memory.

This partially explains why Srebrenica hoax camp is so vocal.

Hopefully, The Dutch government will finally speak and tell what Srebrenica hoax is all about.

13 posted on 07/06/2006 9:30:29 AM PDT by DTA
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To: ApplegateRanch
>>>>>>>>Well, actually, it is more like 30,000 or so. You have to count the unborn that they would have sired, had they not died..<<<<<<

IF they died, your math would be true. But 8000 did not die and your math is only another mud-slinged blot.

Having in mind that during WWII Serbs in Bosnian were the victims of REAL genocide (over half a milllion murdered in the most savage way), your comment is rather hurtful.

For example, before WWII, Srebrenica was Serb mining town with minority Muslim population. It became Muslim majority town after WWII due to genocide of the Serbs during the war. Grandfather of Nasir Oric was a Nazi during WWII, his grandson continued his work.

14 posted on 07/06/2006 9:44:44 AM PDT by DTA
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To: LibertarianInExile

It was The Kingston Trio, written by Broadway lyricist Sheldon Harnick, who wrote Fiddler on the Roof.


15 posted on 07/06/2006 12:24:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Deportacion por los todos ilegales ahora: Si, se puede!)
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To: DTA
IF they died, your math would be true. But 8000 did not die and your math is only another mud-slinged blot.

Dry up, and brush off the dust.

It was a reference to how the figure keeps inflating, NOT what you appearantly took it as.

Those who can't read with understanding, should either learn how, or quit reading; otherwise they are perpetually upset.

16 posted on 07/06/2006 12:29:57 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Deportacion por los todos ilegales ahora: Si, se puede!)
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