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Holy tobacco warriors take aim at the womb
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | June 27, 2006 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 06/30/2006 10:20:03 PM PDT by SheLion

First they came for the workplace, then for people's homes and cars, and then the great outdoors.

Now the anti-tobacco jihadists, having helped ban smoking in most public and many private places, have turned their attention to the most private space of all — the womb. 

That very personal place where humans incubate could be the next battlefield between smokers and those who have never uttered the words: “It's none of my beeswax.”

This latest brainstorm comes from Arkansas, where Rep. Bob Mathis successfully shepherded legislation making it unlawful to smoke in cars in which small children are passengers. Apparently not satisfied with saving the recently born, Mathis wondered whether it would be constitutional to prohibit mothers from smoking while pregnant. Studies show, after all, that fetuses are at risk for low birth weight if their mothers smoke while pregnant.
No, wait, this just in: A new study in Australia shows that women who smoke while pregnant may cause their children to become obese. In a University of Queensland study published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, researchers found that smoking mothers' children were 30 percent more likely to be overweight. Underweight, overweight, oh-whatever. Both are bad, both involve tobacco, and that's enough for
John Banzhaf, the heavyweight George Washington University law professor who for years has led the anti-smoking brigade.

More recently, he's best known for leading the charge against fast-food restaurants that serve fat-laden foods to unsuspecting, um, fat people — otherwise known as people who eat too much and wouldn't read a nutritional label if it had a cherry on top.

Banzhaf likes to sue people, in other words, and he's been enormously successful. Which is to say, pregnant smokers, beware.

Already Banzhaf is setting his sights on fetal rights related to their smoking mums. While it is legally defensible to abort a fetus up until moments before birth, it is apparently inconceivable that a woman would expose her unborn child to the harmful effects of smoking.

While you're struggling to wrap your mind around that nonsensical nugget, Banzhaf is already issuing press releases. In a recent one from the organization he heads, Action on Smoking and Health,
Banzhaf predicts that prohibiting smoking by pregnant women would pass constitutional muster.

“Since court after court has held that smoking is not a fundamental right like voting, and that smokers are not a protected class like African-Americans or women, the government has wide leeway in fashioning a remedy for whatever it concludes is a problem requiring corrective action.”

Now there's a thought to warm a Taliban heart.

Certainly life offers enough problems to keep government regulators and litigators indefinitely occupied, but one has to ask: Are smoking mothers worthy of our censure? What about pregnant women who drink? Or who refuse to take their vitamins? Or who listen to hip-hop when studies show that Bach makes you smarter?

“Sorry lady, but you're under arrest for dereliction of maternity duty.”

These are silly examples, of course, but no sillier than trying to legislate behavior that is, indeed, no one else's business. We of a certain generation, meanwhile, recall fondly the sight of our mothers sipping martinis and smoking Salems while large with our soon-to-be sibling.

We should all be dead by now given the amount of secondhand smoke we inhaled. Not to mention the gin-drenched olives we slurped when backs were turned. As a bonus sidebar to these reminiscences, the term “bike helmet” was a non sequitur.

No one's suggesting that pregnant women should smoke, or drink, or pole-dance — or whatever tempts the masses these days. But people have a right to be stupid, to make bad decisions, to marry the wrong guy, to eat the wrong foods and, alas, to elect the wrong people to public office.

Speaking of which, because of Arkansas' term limits, Mathis won't be able to pursue his idea of criminalizing pregnant smokers.
And Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, whom Banzhaf has credited with endorsing the concept of banning smoking while pregnant, says he has been misrepresented. When reporters asked what he thought about the idea, Huckabee said he hadn't examined the legal aspects, but that from a health standpoint, “Heck, yeah, it makes sense.”

Clarifying that statement Tuesday,
Huckabee told me he would prefer to let common sense, rather than legislation, guide expectant mothers away from tobacco.

In a final bit of irony, the move to prohibit smoking while pregnant would seem to lend strength to the argument that a fetus is a human being entitled to all the rights and privileges accorded personhood.

Instead, it merely strengthens the case that government has no business regulating a woman's womb. Or any other body part.


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Instead, it merely strengthens the case that government has no business regulating a woman's womb. Or any other body part.
1 posted on 06/30/2006 10:20:13 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...

2 posted on 06/30/2006 10:21:03 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Interesting statement from Parker.


3 posted on 06/30/2006 10:33:11 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SheLion

A woman can do whatever she wants with her body parts - as long as she doesn't harm someone else (kill another human being, for example).


4 posted on 06/30/2006 10:38:15 PM PDT by Jaysun (I'm from a little place called Smithereens. It ain't pretty out here.)
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To: Jaysun

A woman can do whatever she wants with her body parts - as long as she doesn't harm someone else (kill another human being, for example).

We are really sick and tired of MEN trying to govern our bodies!!  That said, I AM against abortion!


5 posted on 06/30/2006 10:44:00 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Jaysun

If they are so concerned about the baby, why don't they try and outlaw abortion...we know that kills.


6 posted on 06/30/2006 10:48:25 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: SheLion
Oh, but it is OK by these same idiots standards to have a baby killed by being extracted from the womb with a vacuum.

God Help Us All!

7 posted on 06/30/2006 10:53:49 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (.....once there was a way to get back homeward.)
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To: SheLion
We are really sick and tired of MEN trying to govern our bodies!! That said, I AM against abortion!

Well live with it honey, that's life. You can choose what you want and so can I. I choose to "govern women's bodies" as you put it.
8 posted on 06/30/2006 11:05:46 PM PDT by Jaysun (I'm from a little place called Smithereens. It ain't pretty out here.)
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To: Jaysun
Well live with it honey, that's life. You can choose what you want and so can I. I choose to "govern women's bodies" as you put it.

Well, you will NEVER govern THIS gal's body, and that's a fact...............HONEY!

9 posted on 06/30/2006 11:10:28 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
FYI: I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ABORTION  by the way
10 posted on 06/30/2006 11:13:12 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
Well, you will NEVER govern THIS gal's body, and that's a fact...............HONEY!

You've just pointed out how absurd your own argument is. You're against abortion but you rant liberal lines about "your body"? How can you say on one hand that you're sick of men trying to govern women's bodies while on the other hand saying that I will NEVER govern your body? That's pretty much a given isn't it? There is no body governing going on, just people of both sexes trying to stand in the way of murder. I'd do the same for you no matter how young or old you were at the time.

But no, it's about "your body" right? You're asking us to ignore murder just because it's an inside job? That's f***ing ridiculous.
11 posted on 06/30/2006 11:18:03 PM PDT by Jaysun (I'm from a little place called Smithereens. It ain't pretty out here.)
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To: Jaysun
You've just pointed out how absurd your own argument is. You're against abortion but you rant liberal lines about "your body"? How can you say on one hand that you're sick of men trying to govern women's bodies while on the other hand saying that I will NEVER govern your body? That's pretty much a given isn't it? There is no body governing going on, just people of both sexes trying to stand in the way of murder. I'd do the same for you no matter how young or old you were at the time.

"Liberal Lines?"  Boy, that's a laugh if I ever heard one. Me a liberal. hahaha!  Too funny.  You don't know me too well, do you?!

And just WHERE did I say I was for abortion and murdering an unborn baby?  WHERE!  I  DEMAND to know where you got this forking idea bub!

But no, it's about "your body" right? You're asking us to ignore murder just because it's an inside job? That's f***ing ridiculous.

No!  YOU'RE the ridiculous one here!  Why don't you try reading?  Or is that too hard for you.  Maybe I should have posted this in Braille!

12 posted on 07/01/2006 1:08:52 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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If they are so concerned about the baby, why don't they try and outlaw abortion...we know that kills.

Exactly!  There is no reason on earth today for a woman to get pregnant unless it's rape.  What will all the birth control out there, women need to smarten up!  I knew one gal who didn't use birth control yet was in a relationship.

She got pregnant THREE times and just because the didn't want the baby, she had THREE abortions.  How stupid is that?  I just shake me head.

13 posted on 07/01/2006 1:12:11 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
No, wait, this just in: A new study in Australia shows that women who smoke while pregnant may cause their children to become obese. In a University of Queensland study published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, researchers found that smoking mothers' children were 30 percent more likely to be overweight.

How many times have we seen this chit? One year it's salt bad, next it's salt OK. Coffee bad one year, good the next. Alcohol bad, then good. On and on and on...

I've come to the conclusion that "experts" are bad, not only for your health, but for your sanity.

14 posted on 07/01/2006 2:17:28 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky
I've come to the conclusion that "experts" are bad, not only for your health, but for your sanity.

You hit the nail right on the head, metesky!!!

15 posted on 07/01/2006 2:24:30 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

An infant in utero has no legal standing nor does it exist as a separate entity from the mother's own body.

Now, how are they going to pass a law protecting a thing that is the mother's own body and not an entity entitled to protection under the law?

The nanny law could be one of those unintended consequences. ( ;


16 posted on 07/01/2006 3:54:02 AM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: OpusatFR
Now, how are they going to pass a law protecting a thing that is the mother's own body and not an entity entitled to protection under the law?

The nanny law could be one of those unintended consequences. ( ;

This is getting totally out of hand.  If this bill passes, then the government can dictate to a pregnant woman what she can eat and drink and what activities she can engage in.  TOTALLY over the top!

17 posted on 07/01/2006 5:00:05 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
Disgusting, double standard bast#rds.
Oh, for heaven's sake, don't get a whiff of tobacco smoke while pregnant, but, hey, if you don't want the baby, you can go to the nearest abortion clinic and get it's brains sucked out.

WTF is wrong with these people? When the hell are people going to wake up and see these people for what they are, which is nothing but totalitarians? If they want to help "the children" so much, they should do something about abortion. Unbelievable!
18 posted on 07/01/2006 6:19:17 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: pbrown

"If they are so concerned about the baby, why don't they try and outlaw abortion...we know that kills."

That's one choice these scumbags in government ALWAYS seem to protect.

Can't smoke a cig, but hell, we can kill babies by the millions.


19 posted on 07/01/2006 6:21:27 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: SheLion

One question - and please leave out all the red letters and exclamation points - it's just a yes or no answer. Would you smoke if you were pregnant?


20 posted on 07/01/2006 6:27:50 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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