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Gun law triggers at least 13 shootings
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | June 11, 2006 | Henry Pierson Curtis

Posted on 06/11/2006 5:24:08 AM PDT by Brilliant

Self-defense shooting claims since Jan. 1 What 'Stand your ground' does:

Enacted Oct. 1, the law says that a person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is attacked has no duty to retreat and has the right to 'stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.'

Michael Brady didn't think about his rights when he shot and killed a stranger in his front yard. He says he was just scared.

Brady is one of at least 13 people in Central Florida who pulled the trigger this year under a new law that loosens restrictions on the use of deadly force in self-defense.

They killed six men and wounded four more. All but one of the people shot were unarmed. So far, three of the shooters have been charged. Five have been cleared; the other cases are under review.

It is too early to tell whether the law makes Floridians safer or puts them at greater risk. There are no statistics on the number of self-defense claims statewide before or after the law took effect Oct. 1.

But an Orlando Sentinel review of five months of court records in Orange, Osceola, Lake, Polk, Seminole and Volusia counties shows widespread differences in the way claims are investigated and prosecuted.

The head of the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association said the law has given people who are too quick to fire a weapon "another defense."...

"You're not talking about freaks and geeks slinging guns around like Dirty Harry. . ." said Brady, 43, of Winter Haven, who in April killed a stranger who was threatening him with his fist...

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; nra; selfdefense
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Gotta read the whole article, but I note this:

First, the obvious question is whether these kinds of shootings have increased since the law was passed. The writer avoids that question, so I suspect the answer is "No."

Second, it's mystifying how this law could be blamed for all of these shootings when the law doesn't even apply to a lot of them, as demonstrated that 3 of the shooters are in fact being prosecuted and 5 more of the cases are under review.

They add this at the end:

Henry Pierson Curtis can be reached at 407-420-5257 or hcurtis@orlandosentinel.com.

1 posted on 06/11/2006 5:24:14 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

They all deserve a prize from the top shelf.


2 posted on 06/11/2006 5:28:51 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Brilliant

Sounds like the writer is including some random shootings that have nothing to do with self defense.


3 posted on 06/11/2006 5:31:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: battlegearboat

Well, I don't about that--especially the cop who was drinking and started shooting at a party. What it shows is that these laws can also be abused by criminals who pull the trigger, and then try to justify it by this law. But that really isn't the issue, I don't think. To me, the issue is whether the law is causing unnecessary shootings to increase. The writer doesn't really address that.


4 posted on 06/11/2006 5:34:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

The ones that are being prosecuted - the writer goes into zero detail.

The rest of the shootings happened on the victims own property.

Wasn't the Brady Bunch screaming of rampant "road rage" if this law passed? And yet the writer chose not to pursue that either.


5 posted on 06/11/2006 5:37:49 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (My head hurts.)
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To: Brilliant

look at all the court costs and prison space it saves


6 posted on 06/11/2006 5:38:01 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Brilliant

A couple of years ago a local cop (Jackson Mi.) who got drunk and became angry about a neighbors party started shooting. That sort of thing happens with or without these laws.


7 posted on 06/11/2006 5:41:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: sure_fine

the print media today is one gigantic editorial...that's why we hear the screams of a dying sector of the 'news'....what the internet, especially FR has done is to get out the real word on practically everything and the MSM can only sputter and rage......

in the Atlanta Constitution yesterday the headline "Did Marines Kill al-Zarqawi?" the average person reading this would get a typical one-sided depiction of what the AJC wants its readers to know, nothing more......well, those days are over....


8 posted on 06/11/2006 5:48:28 AM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Brilliant
Just the title to the article tells you the point of view of the author from the get-go. He is not going to say anything in support of the law and everything against it.

This is not an objective piece of news reporting, even though it falsely masquerades as such.

9 posted on 06/11/2006 5:50:27 AM PDT by Orca
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There is nothing in the article that proves that "the gun law caused the shootings."

The only difference I see is how the shootings are handled by the prosecutor.

As usual, the msm gets it wrong.


10 posted on 06/11/2006 5:51:07 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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Self-defense shooting claims since Jan. 1 What 'Stand your ground' does:

There are no statistics on the number of self-defense claims statewide before or after the law took effect Oct. 1.

These two sentences would seem to conflict with each other.

11 posted on 06/11/2006 6:26:37 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Brilliant

The Orlando Sentinel is a full fledged, lisp talking, homo encouraging, Disney boot licking, socialist commune cheer leader.

They cheered on the rats when they forcably entered Republican party offices around the city during the '04' election.

They have back every socialist, Constitution breaking law ever proposed.

They devote volumns of print to their cherised Disney Gay Days.

If it wasn't that they were complete idiots, they could compete with the NY Times for the Masters of Socialism awards.


12 posted on 06/11/2006 6:50:40 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1

Oh sthop it you brute...LOL


13 posted on 06/11/2006 6:59:14 AM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Nightrider
"...the print media today is one gigantic editorial..."

It ain't just the print media, either. In fact, I think the "print media sector" was actually the last "real news" sector to succumb to propagandizing. The "video media" fell long ago.

14 posted on 06/11/2006 7:00:16 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Brilliant

"Michael Brady didn't think about his rights when he shot and killed a stranger in his front yard. He says he was just scared."


Like the old saying goes:


"An Armed society is a polite society"


15 posted on 06/11/2006 7:01:04 AM PDT by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: cripplecreek

Drive-by media at it again.... selective use of statistics (some that are not even applicable to the story) to justify a leftist anti-gun, and anti-self defense viewpoint.


16 posted on 06/11/2006 7:14:28 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: Brilliant

You can also add that we must first know more about each of those incidents. It states that "all but one of the people shot were unarmed."

Well, if they were people "of dubious intent" going up against women or clearly weaker potential victims, then who cares.

As well, does "unarmed" mean w/o a gun? What about a knife that may be hidden, or open? Was that considered "armed" or not? How about a screwdriver? Or a hammer?


17 posted on 06/11/2006 7:18:23 AM PDT by Fruitbat (I)
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To: Mr. Brightside
There is nothing in the article that proves that "the gun law caused the shootings."

The only difference I see is how the shootings are handled by the prosecutor.

As usual, the msm gets it wrong.

Solid point.

18 posted on 06/11/2006 7:21:12 AM PDT by Fruitbat (I)
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To: Orca

>>Just the title to the article tells you the point of view of the author from the get-go. <<

General comment - not specific to this article.

Titles are generated by staff independent of the writer of the article. Agencies know that most only read the headline and they often play loose and fancy to promote their agenda. I once had a two-week running debate before the local newspaper would retract their headline which was NOT supported in the article and, in fact, was false.

Of course, the writers know that most of those that read beyond the headline read only the first paragraph or two so they put their agenda driven point in the first and the "other-side" at the end where it is continued on page B-23 that few ever read.


19 posted on 06/11/2006 7:22:12 AM PDT by OmahaFields
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Liberals want people to drop to their knees first, play nice and shoot later. They know perfectly well what that would lead to and they don't care.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

20 posted on 06/11/2006 7:26:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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