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Captive of History (Why Sony is betting the house on Blu-ray)
The Weekly Standard ^ | June 8, 2006 | Jonathan V. Last

Posted on 06/08/2006 3:06:44 AM PDT by RWR8189

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To: RWR8189
IMNSHO

Sony will not be able to compete with HD-DVD, the cost will drop and become attractive to everyday consumers. (Not just tech heads)

This does not mean that Play Station 3 won't sell, it just won't sell in the numbers Sony hopes. This of course opens the door to Sony's competitors. (As if Bill Gates doesn't have enough money

21 posted on 06/08/2006 4:17:02 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: #1CTYankee
whoever gets the media cheaper will win, period.
22 posted on 06/08/2006 4:20:48 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

No, it wouldn't, because then you couldn't put them into a laptop (or anything with a slimline slotloading drive)- and that would kill it off right there.

That's why you can take the disc out of that cartridge pictured above.

And if you wanted the format to succeed, you should have bought this when it was new and available. Just like, oh, your rants about wanting something to smash the iPod - if nobody buys a product, it won't survive. You have to buy what you support. You didn't buy DVD-RAM carts, neither did anyone else, that's why its dead now.


Oh, and it's still possible to scratch one of these that's in the case, even with the shutter closed.


23 posted on 06/08/2006 4:23:00 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
No, it wouldn't, because then you couldn't put them into a laptop (or anything with a slimline slotloading drive)- and that would kill it off right there.

Yes you could the laptop drive would be made to accept the case

24 posted on 06/08/2006 4:27:41 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: RWR8189
In the dead format category - I can still remember Sony's EL-cassette an extended length tape in a Phillips type cassette, enlarged about 30%. Big smoking failure. Circa 1978, IIRC.
25 posted on 06/08/2006 4:30:37 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Spktyr
DVD-ram is NOT dead even though you claim it is.. its failues had NOTHING to do with the case..

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATAPI/E-IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe - Retail

Maybe you shoudl learn some things and not just get your information from apple.

26 posted on 06/08/2006 4:31:26 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

You do know that the drive for that is about 1.5" tall, right?

Most laptop bases are under .75". And people want them even thinner, not thicker.


27 posted on 06/08/2006 4:32:32 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Echo Talon
Blu-ray has a hardened coating to prevent damage. I have seen a demo where steel wool was used to abrade a disc, and it played fine afterward. I have over $400.00 of movies on pre-order, and a Pioneer Blu-ray player on pre-order.

A friend bought the Toshiba HD-DVD player, and it is full of bugs, crashes, lockups, lip sync issues etc. One smudge on a disc, and it must be cleaned before it will play. This format war is over, but HD-DVD just does not know it yet.

LLS
28 posted on 06/08/2006 4:33:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Echo Talon

DVD-RAM IN CARTRIDGES is DEAD.

That format is dead and not coming back. The DVD-RAM disc format itself is not dead (as someone else noted earlier), but the DVD-RAM Cartridge *is*.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

You cannot find a DVD-RAM cartridge drive in stores any more.


29 posted on 06/08/2006 4:34:52 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Echo Talon
"whoever gets the media cheaper will win, period.

Absolutely, and I believe Sony will ultimately be the loser.

30 posted on 06/08/2006 4:35:28 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Spktyr
DVD-RAM IN CARTRIDGES is DEAD.

and that was stupid, ALL cd's and dvd's should have the case, thats why it died because it wasn't compatible.

31 posted on 06/08/2006 4:36:57 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Philips didn't learn anything from that - they tried it again with the DCC (Digital Compact Cassette) format in the 90s. That's deader than a doornail (for audio, anyway).


32 posted on 06/08/2006 4:37:28 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

then the engineers have some work to do


34 posted on 06/08/2006 4:38:13 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Um, no. Early DVD-Rs came in carts, too - and the DVD spec includes carts, as I recall - but people hated CD caddies, they hated DVD caddies/carts, and they bought drives that didn't need them. And no, you can't make the caddy/carrier/cart thinner, because you have to allow for disc flex and vibration.

Slot loaders are smaller and more reliable anyway.


35 posted on 06/08/2006 4:40:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: twm3
Don't worry about Blu-ray scratching. They are using a super hardened new tech, and won't have the problem at all.

yea they said that about cd-r's too and that they would last 100 years!

36 posted on 06/08/2006 4:40:19 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Spktyr
and they bought drives that didn't need them.

DO NOT MAKE THEM WITHOUT... see...

37 posted on 06/08/2006 4:41:34 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: LibLieSlayer
"Blu-ray has a hardened coating to prevent damage. I have seen a demo where steel wool was used to abrade a disc, and it played fine afterward"

Wondered what all that ranting was about on those other posts? Sony takes things to another level and like their Walkman and Connect Music. Sony may be hitting a grand slam!

38 posted on 06/08/2006 4:44:30 AM PDT by BikerGold (Reliously Uncoooorrrrect...Reliously UUUUUUncorrect)
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To: Echo Talon

Don't buy cheap CD-R's, then.

Kodak used to make (dunno if they still do) gold CD-R's that were *more* scratch resistant than regular production CD-ROMs!

Also, I guess you've never heard of a SurfaceSaver or DiscDoctor - nor do you know why you can scratch the hell out of the back of a CD and always get it to polish out just fine.


39 posted on 06/08/2006 4:44:45 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

yea yea gold this, i have those and they scratch the same as the others, a marketing ploy doesn't work in the real world and im not holding my breath that my data will last 100years on those "gold" cd's either.


40 posted on 06/08/2006 4:48:04 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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