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Leave the Constitution out of this (gay marriage ban)
Rocklin & Roseville Today ^ | 6/6/06 | Dale McFeatters

Posted on 06/06/2006 7:32:07 AM PDT by AZRepublican

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To: AZRepublican
I just have "ban" imprinted from so much past ban talk.

The MSM runs the stories on this amendment as banning gay marriage...when that is certainly not true. Both the Republicans and Democrats know this is not true also...but they seem satisfied with the reporting for whatever reason.
21 posted on 06/06/2006 7:44:45 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: AZRepublican

"At its gravest level, the amendment would make a significant incursion into federalism and state's rights, taking the Constitution into areas where it was never meant to be, family law and morality."

This is true....however....the rest of the story is more important: the Constitution never contemplated that the judiciary would be a super-legislature, unaccountable, but with crushing authority to knock down state statutes which deal with issues of health, safety and morality.

So now...after judges have thrust the gay agenda upon us, they are conveniently resorting to federalism. What other option do we have?

It is sort of true that this doesn't belong in the federal Constitution. But the other side, the judicial activists, have given us no choice.


22 posted on 06/06/2006 7:44:54 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: facedown

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

This is absolutely nothing more than the standard vacuous liberal cliche being pawned off as common opinion.


23 posted on 06/06/2006 7:45:17 AM PDT by Obadiah (The beatings will continue until morale improves!)
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To: AZRepublican
I actually want an Amendment to make English the national language. I think such an Amendment is far more pertinent during this time.
24 posted on 06/06/2006 7:45:45 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: P-40

Oh please. How is it not a ban on gay marriage?


25 posted on 06/06/2006 7:46:32 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: dirtboy
How exactly does following the Constitutionally-mandated process for amending the Constitution, which includes ratification by 3/4s of the states, infringe on federalism and state's rights? Dumb.

It doesn't, of course. The only thing funnier than this is the notion I've heard bandied about that the SCOTUS will declare the amendment "unconstitutional." There are an awful lot of constitutional illiterates out there.
26 posted on 06/06/2006 7:46:48 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

There is absolutely no need for actions like that of the Massachusetts Supreme Court, except to impress the opinion of the elite on the populance. Gays can have everything they want, except respect in domestic partnerships. That is why in Scandanavia, where gay marriage is legal, there are so few.

So why the brouhaha, Because the real purpose is to silence all criticism of the gay "lifestyle." If gay unions are sanctioned by law, then that makes it legally risky to speak out against their behavior, and socially it makes everyone who does seem like a bigot. That's Teddy Kennedy's ploy. Let us not debate about the rightness of wrongness of homosexuality. I don't want to hear your arguments.

So we are engaged in a great social experiment, where the norms of Christian morality are dumped into the trash can. We will see how things work out down the roads, but mostly likely the negative results will be ignored, just like the consequences of fault free divorce.


27 posted on 06/06/2006 7:47:09 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: AZRepublican

Seems to me that the constitution was designed to allow changes via amendment. It does not get any more clear cut than that. If this idiot thinks its not an important issue, fine. The rest of us disagree.


28 posted on 06/06/2006 7:47:33 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Paige
I actually want an Amendment to make English the national language. I think such an Amendment is far more pertinent during this time.

Fine. I'll support you on that if you'll support me on this. And I won't come on your "Federal English Amendment" threads and say that mine is more important. OK?
29 posted on 06/06/2006 7:48:41 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: conserv13

Never is a long time. If you had predicted fifty years ago that voting would banned so widely as it is now, I would have scoffed. Things change.


30 posted on 06/06/2006 7:49:29 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: AZRepublican
A 1996 federal law says the states are not obliged to recognize lawful same-sex unions from other states, and there is no nationwide federal court order reversing that nor is there likely to be.

The 1996 DOMA approved overwhelmingly by Congress and signed by Clinton also contained the language:

"In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word “marriage” means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word “spouse” refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife."

The Federal government needs a definition of marriage to administer its programs and benefits, e.g., Social Security, Medicare, pensions, and survivor benefits. If DOMA is challenged in the courts and overturned, there will a significant impact on federal programs, more than likely increasing expenditures and costs. There needs to be a detalied study on the financial impact of same sex marriage on government programs.

31 posted on 06/06/2006 7:49:32 AM PDT by kabar
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To: AZRepublican

This is just a diversion by D.C. in an attempt to cause everyone to forget about their inadequacy of securing the border...


32 posted on 06/06/2006 7:50:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: conserv13
Oh please. How is it not a ban on gay marriage?

How is it a ban on gay marriage? You can marry a rock if you are into that sort of thing.
33 posted on 06/06/2006 7:51:35 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: facedown

A 1996 federal law says the states are not obliged to recognize lawful same-sex unions from other states, and there is no nationwide federal court order reversing that nor is there likely to be.



The problem with that law is that it could be struck down as unconstitutional because it violates the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution in Article IV Sec.1 which reads:

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

This clause is the reason why a marriages contracted in one state are recognized as valid in another state.


34 posted on 06/06/2006 7:52:09 AM PDT by old republic
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To: FlipWilson

IMO this thing is a trojan horse to open a convention......we'd best FEAR this clause of article 5 of the Constitution:

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes,......."

once open, BEWARE - " valid to all Intents and Purposes "

I'd expect one of the first things they'd do would be to make the US, Canada, and Messico into one megastate.


35 posted on 06/06/2006 7:52:30 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: weegee

Funny how they want to leave this to the states to deal with...yet when it comes to abortion, it's a different story!


36 posted on 06/06/2006 7:53:27 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: RobbyS
If gay unions are sanctioned by law, then that makes it legally risky to speak out against their behavior

Which explains all those people sued for criticising marriage, and the behavior of married people?

37 posted on 06/06/2006 7:54:47 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (All Hail Buah The Wasp Killer!!!!!)
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To: kabar
There needs to be a study of the effects of the adoption of children by same-sex couples or any other aspect of homosexual behavior since 1972. But there are no real studies. The very idea is resisted in the mental health community. as is pointed out in Destructive Trends in Mental health: The well-intentioned Path to Harm by Nicholas Cummings and Rogers Wright. The "normality" of homosexual behavir has become dogma-- n fallow field.
38 posted on 06/06/2006 7:56:06 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: AZRepublican

The Senate doesn't have the votes. The issue is DOA.


39 posted on 06/06/2006 7:56:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: AZRepublican
This guy looks like he has a vested interest in gay
marriage.


40 posted on 06/06/2006 7:56:46 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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